WarCraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans

[ScytheRexx]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/Warcraft-adventures-boxart.jpg

I sure was sad when the game was cancelled, I understand the reason they canceled it such a long time ago, but it still pains my heart when I think about it.

Lets look at some of what we would have seen.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Characters-designs-Art-of-Warcraft.jpg

Zul'jin sure let himself go, didn't he? Also Nazgrel looks a lot like his WoW counterpart, which is pretty cool, since in WC3, he just looked like a Wolf Raider.

Our mighty Warchief!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Warcraft-adventures-screenshot2.jpg

The mighty Hellscream!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Warcraft-adventures-grom-hellscream.jpg

Our Warchief agian! peeping on old men!

http://www.gamespot.com/features/pcgraveyard/sleepingcleric.html

And Deathwing, with his hooka... of DEATH.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/pcgraveyard/deathwing.html

Now with StarCraft: Ghost being cancelled, I must say I feel the pain even more these days, as two games I really wanted to play, I will never see.

[Warlock]

Now with StarCraft: Ghost being cancelled, I must say I feel the pain even more these days, as two games I really wanted to play, I will never see.

SC: Ghost wasn't cancelled for quality reasons. It was cancelled because it was fucking in development forever and by the time it came out (i.e. probably around now) all the consoles it was being made for would be dead.

I guarentee you it's being ported to Xbox360/PS3. Maybe even Wii (that would be awesome with the wii-mote controls).

[Vicious]

It *will* be ported, don´t worry.

[Kenzuki]

I like the new Thrall better, the old one was too much like a pansy, though it's understandable considering at one time Thrall was going to be a half-orc.

[ScytheRexx]

I like the new Thrall better, the old one was too much like a pansy, though it's understandable considering at one time Thrall was going to be a half-orc.

I have to agree.

[Kenzuki]

But I have to admit, seeing Deathwing smoke weed would have been a riot.

"Like woah man, I like keep hearing these voices inside of my head and...wait a sec *takes a deep smoke*. Yeah like they keep telling me to do stuff and junk. You can like, you know, like help me by going forth and like stealing me some magical dust to snort in this pipe."

[Yuber8900]

But I have to admit, seeing Deathwing smoke weed would have been a riot.

"Like woah man, I like keep hearing these voices inside of my head and...wait a sec *takes a deep smoke*. Yeah like they keep telling me to do stuff and junk. You can like, you know, like help me by going forth and like stealing me some magical dust to snort in this pipe."

Truth.

[FreeLancer]

SC: Ghost wasn't cancelled for quality reasons. It was cancelled because it was fucking in development forever and by the time it came out (i.e. probably around now) all the consoles it was being made for would be dead.

I guarentee you it's being ported to Xbox360/PS3. Maybe even Wii (that would be awesome with the wii-mote controls).

I don't know, I saw a game play video of the later version and its not like the trailers made it out to be. It changed in the course of development (I think they actually changed developers or something actually), enough so it did not seem like the same game and did seem just like another space shooter. The trailers made it out to be awesome and different...and I did see one of the cinematics and that was truly the most gorgeous thing I have seen of the Starcraft Universe, besides Nova that is.

It really is a tragedy that both games died, they had amazing story potential. But the reasons for their death were sound in my opinion. Still wish they would revisit the stories though, at least give us something more about each. And maybe they will eventually.

But I have to admit, seeing Deathwing smoke weed would have been a riot.

"Like woah man, I like keep hearing these voices inside of my head and...wait a sec *takes a deep smoke*. Yeah like they keep telling me to do stuff and junk. You can like, you know, like help me by going forth and like stealing me some magical dust to snort in this pipe."

For once its not the Old Gods!

[Yuber8900]

For once its not the Old Gods!

Who do you think gave it to him?

[Kerrah]

Who do you think gave it to him?
Maybe Sargeras made it for him to distract him from his mission to the old gods!

[Kenzuki]

The book about Starcraft Ghost is still coming out guys.

[Kakwakas]

But I have to admit, seeing Deathwing smoke weed would have been a riot.

"Like woah man, I like keep hearing these voices inside of my head and...wait a sec *takes a deep smoke*. Yeah like they keep telling me to do stuff and junk. You can like, you know, like help me by going forth and like stealing me some magical dust to snort in this pipe."

Buh? I've only seen the picture of Deathwing smoking out of a hookah (I have that pic on this comp, actually :D ). Hookah tobacco gives a nice headbuzz, though.

[Yuber8900]

The book about Starcraft Ghost is still coming out guys.

Good, there's a scene of Duke-bashing and that makes any book better.

[Kerrah]

Good, there's a scene of Duke-bashing and that makes any book better.
You talking about Duke Nukem?

[ScytheRexx]

You talking about Duke Nukem?

No, General Duke, the white haired big faced guy that piloted that battlecruiser and was a complete asshole.

Kerrigan killed him in Brood War.

[Kerrah]

No, General Duke, the white haired big faced guy that piloted that battlecruiser and was a complete asshole.

Kerrigan killed him in Brood War.
Oh him! Yeah i remember, he was that guy who constantly changed sides.

[Kenzuki]

General Edmund Duke was the Confederate commander who spoke with a deep southern drawl. He was only changing sides because you kicked his ass with Mengsk's forces and he was forced to join the Terran Dominion, you later kill him. Duran was a real bastard though hehe, I still wonder what he was. I have a suspecion though.

[ScytheRexx]

General Edmund Duke was the Confederate commander who spoke with a deep southern drawl. He was only changing sides because you kicked his ass with Mengsk's forces and he was forced to join the Terran Dominion, you later kill him. Duran was a real bastard though hehe, I still wonder what he was. I have a suspecion though.

Duran - Xel'Naga.

Also, Duke technically joins you because you save him from a Zerg attack and he can either join you or be left for when the Zerg return, its that mission where you have to save his crashed battlecruiser, Norad II.

Also, we do kill him, but we do it for Kerrigan to get back at Mengsk. In the same mission we also kill Fenix, which gains Kerrigan the complete hatred of Jim Raynor.

[Wulfang]

It's amazing how love and hate are so close to each other...

[Kenzuki]

Yup, I pictured him as a Xel'Naga as well Scyth. And Kerrigan is the self styled "Queen Bitch of the Universe"

[Vicious]

Despite changing sides, Duke was pretty loyal to Mengsk in the end and he was no coward, that made me feel sorry for killing him for good......it also sucked killing Pheonix like the coolest Protoss ever.

...

...

I hate that level.

[Kenzuki]

Fenix reminded me of a Protoss Grom Hellscream (this was prior to Warcraft III mind you.). Blizzard is going to have to work hard to build on Starcraft II to top the first.

[Yuber8900]

He's more like Medivh because he returned from the dead.

[ScytheRexx]

I must admit that Fenix kicked ass, Raynor and Fenix were my two favorite characters, which is why I was happy that in Brood War they became partners.

I didn't care about killing Duke, but killing Fenix made me sad...

I imagine Kerrigan, if they made another StarCraft, will slowly start to regain her humanity and actually help fight the "hybrids". Don't know why, but even after she took over the sector I remember her saying something to the affect of her being tired of killing. This will end with Raynor either killing her or redeeming here.

Gah, you guys are making me want to finish the StarCraft story I was writing a long time ago, or at least make a render of the main character of my story.

[Kenzuki]

I think Kerrgan and Arthas are soulmates.

[Kerrah]

I think Kerrgan and Arthas are soulmates.
No, Sylvanas = Kerrigan

Both were on "the good side", got apperantly killed, were brought back as monstrosoties, began a revolution and broke free and came to embrace their abominationaty (no, that is not a word).

[ScytheRexx]

No, Sylvanas = Kerrigan

Both were on "the good side", got apperantly killed, were brought back as monstrosoties, began a revolution and broke free and came to embrace their abominationaty (no, that is not a word).

Sylvanas never embraced her abnormality.

[Yuber8900]

Sylvanas never embraced her abnormality.

The Forsaken say otherwise.

[Vicious]

By the end of the Undead capaign, i think she was pretty used to it.

"Hey, let´s round up every one like us and kill the rest of the world."


But yeah, Arthas = Warcraft Kerrigan.


Blizzard is going to have to work hard to build on Starcraft II to top the first.

No kidding, i think they are actually afraid to make it.

What story are you writing Scythe? There should be more Starcraft discussion around here.

[Tularis]

I love Raynor - just an ordinary guy who managed to survive and prosper based on his wits and cunning. Fenix was pretty cool too, although no one beats Zeratuel when it comes to the Protoss. I also felt sorry for Duke when he was killed; sure he was an asshole and a bastard but as has been mentioned in this thread, he was loyal to Mengsk in his own way and went down fighting.

Duran is one of the most awesome villians in any Blizzard game, in my opinion. How he so skilfully manipulated pretty much everyone was just great, and I love how Kerrigan believed she had a psychic connection to him yet one day to her he just completely dissapeared. Duran is the man.

[Tysar]

Sylvanas never embraced her abnormality.

yeah, the reason she's undead is really what makes her hate all the living.

As for Starcraft... Fenix rocked big time, he was one of my favorite characters in the whole game as well, but my all time favorites were both Zeratul and Tassadar. I hope that at least Zeratul will be back at Shakuras one day...

[ScytheRexx]

By the end of the Undead capaign, i think she was pretty used to it.

Getting used to her situation does not mean she embraces it. The whole reason she wants to destroy the Scourge and kill Arthas is because she can't die untill Arthas is dead, and she really wants to "die".

What story are you writing Scythe? There should be more Starcraft discussion around here.

Its a super cheesy action oriented adventure involving my own super-human heroine.

[Timolas]

Getting used to her situation does not mean she embraces it. The whole reason she wants to destroy the Scourge and kill Arthas is because she can't die untill Arthas is dead, and she really wants to "die".
What I don't get about that is that if she can't be destroyed, why doesn't she just march on Icecrown solo?

Anyway, the Protoss were my favourites; Fenix, Tassadar, Zeratul and Aldaris were all great. Artanis didn't get too many points in my book though.

[Kenzuki]

No you don't understand. She can have her ass handed to her but she will just reform a couple of days later. And if she got that close to the Lich King he could possibly just regain control over her.

[ScytheRexx]

What I don't get about that is that if she can't be destroyed, why doesn't she just march on Icecrown solo?

She is a banshee, and her spirit is locked in undeath. Her body is still very physical and can be destroyed without saving her the pain of undeath, since her spirit will still wander unable to rest unlike most other undead.

Arthas would have her physical form destroyed long before she reached Icecrown, and then after that point she would have to return to a safe haven in order to regenerate her physical form. In her spirit form she would have no hope of even touching Arthas.

Not only that, but even if she did somehow make it to Icecrown, Arthas would just snap his fingers and she would be under his control agian. Undead, even Forsaken, should never get anywhere near the Lich King if they value their freedom, at least till they learn a way to fully get past his mastery over mind control and undead control.

P.S. Ken beat me to it.

[Timolas]

Okay, good to know. Where is that info from anyway?

[ScytheRexx]

Okay, good to know. Where is that info from anyway?

WarCraft RPG, Manual of Monsters, Villians Section, if I remember correctly.

[Timolas]

I've wondered if that Banshee that has lines in the TFT missions; and helps corner Varimathras, is the Banshee that is near her in the Undercity.
EDIT: I guess we can only assume. Would make sense though, since that Banshee was around Sylvanas a lot and seemed like one of her firm supporters.

[Vicious]

Getting used to her situation does not mean she embraces it. The whole reason she wants to destroy the Scourge and kill Arthas is because she can't die untill Arthas is dead, and she really wants to "die".


It sounds to me that she droped that idea of killing herself and she holding on to the "let´s kill Arthas in a slow, painful way" plan, don´t forget that the Apothecary society is developing a new plague at Sylvanas´ request so that the Forsaken may become the only race in Azeroth.

[Yuber8900]

It sounds to me that she droped that idea of killing herself and she holding on to the "let´s kill Arthas in a slow, painful way" plan, don´t forget that the Apothecary society is developing a new plague at Sylvanas´ request so that the Forsaken may become the only race in Azeroth.

But theys can be cured!

[Timolas]

But theys can be cured!
Oooh, Sylvanas restored to her former self. Imagine that. Then she will stare in horror at the new plague she created, which will kill her again.

[ScytheRexx]

It sounds to me that she droped that idea of killing herself and she holding on to the "let´s kill Arthas in a slow, painful way" plan, don´t forget that the Apothecary society is developing a new plague at Sylvanas´ request so that the Forsaken may become the only race in Azeroth.

You seem to forget the purpose of this new plague. It was not originally designed to transform everyone into Forsaken, it was originally designed to be a counter-agent to the original plague and "kill" the Scourge, including Arthas. The humans were becoming a problem however, and thus they decided to spread the research into the realm of taking out humanity and possibly other races to also make more troops to destroy the Scourge. Yes, not the noblest thing, but everything Sylvanas does is simply to destroy the Scourge and free herself of undeath. She does not actually plan to rule the world, that I feel is more of Varimathras' influence.

[Vicious]

You seem to forget the purpose of this new plague. It was not originally designed to transform everyone into Forsaken, it was originally designed to be a counter-agent to the original plague and "kill" the Scourge, including Arthas. The humans were becoming a problem however, and thus they decided to spread the research into the realm of taking out humanity and possibly other races to also make more troops to destroy the Scourge. Yes, not the noblest thing, but everything Sylvanas does is simply to destroy the Scourge and free herself of undeath. She does not actually plan to rule the world, that I feel is more of Varimathras' influence.


It was never design to turn anyone into Forsaken, it was originally made for destroying the Scourge and now the rest of the world, it´s purpose it´s to kill, not transform.
From a point in the Undead campaign, Sylvanas´ seem not to complain about her state of Undeath anymore and focused more on taking the rule of the 3 Drealords in Lordearon, plus her little speech about the Forsaken at her last level led me to believe she wants to kill everyone and anything that´s not Forsaken.

Edit: LOL to Yubber, my internet love.

[Yuber8900]

You seem to forget the purpose of this new plague. It was not originally designed to transform everyone into Forsaken, it was originally designed to be a counter-agent to the original plague and "kill" the Scourge, including Arthas. The humans were becoming a problem however, and thus they decided to spread the research into the realm of taking out humanity and possibly other races to also make more troops to destroy the Scourge. Yes, not the noblest thing, but everything Sylvanas does is simply to destroy the Scourge and free herself of undeath. She does not actually plan to rule the world, that I feel is more of Varimathras' influence.

How is creating another plauge free her of Undeath?

Shold just wait for the Ashbringer ghost to come.

[ScytheRexx]

From a point in the Undead campaign, Sylvanas´ seem not to complain about her state of Undeath anymore and focused more on taking the rule of the 3 Drealords in Lordearon, plus her little speech about the Forsaken at her last level led me to believe she wants to kill everyone and anything that´s not Forsaken.

Well technically, she is not "Forsaken" like the others. She might let the others continue to exist after its all said and done, but she still wants to die.

I think her recent actions are more fueled by the influence of Varimathras, as he even said to her during the rebellion"

"You sound more like one of us with every passing day, my lady."

Either way I still believe, in the end, she wants death. She even quotes when you click on her that she wants and "end" to her torment, and unless she actually does want to make a cure, the only answer would be death.

It was never design to turn anyone into Forsaken, it was originally made for destroying the Scourge and now the rest of the world, it´s purpose it´s to kill, not transform.

I remember it being designed to do both. Its being designed to "kill" the Scourge, but also designed to turn humanity at the least, to help with troop production. Even if they succeed in destroying the Scourge, they still need and army to clean up the mess.

The RAS has already created countless brews that would kill humanity if somehow dropped into main human cities, the problem is that does not accomplish the entirety of what they want.

[ScytheRexx]

How is creating another plauge free her of Undeath?

It would kill the Scourge, and thus, kill Arthas, and thus, free her of the curse. Once she is free of the curse, she would still be undead, but then she can have her body destroyed and her soul freed, much like the Ghoul in Eastern Plaguelands that gain freedom when you kill the physical form.

[Yuber8900]

It would kill the Scourge, and thus, kill Arthas, and thus, free her of the curse. Once she is free of the curse, she would still be undead, but then she can have her body destroyed and her soul freed, much like the Ghoul in Eastern Plaguelands that gain freedom when you kill the physical form.

After winning and wiping out all life on the planet she's gonna kill herself....

Why do I have a feeling this is gonna spill into the other topic....

[ScytheRexx]

After winning and wiping out all life on the planet she's gonna kill herself....

Why not? There are people in the real world that believe in such things as "complete death" to everyone, including themselves.

[Yuber8900]

Why not? There are people in the real world that believe in such things as "complete death" to everyone, including themselves.

But she can be redeemed by a Paladin Ghost!

[ScytheRexx]

But she can be redeemed by a Paladin Ghost!

Paladin Ghost in Warrior Teir 3 that can oneshot people with Holy Shocks, not many of those around sadly.

[Yuber8900]

You forgot to mention his soul was one with his corrupted sword.

[Timolas]

If there's a way to do it, then let's put all the people to work on it, find the cure and spread it Ghostbuster's style with a modified version of Egan's Blaster.
Lol Busters.
EDIT: What's the name of the Green Dragon in Duskwood?

[ScytheRexx]

EDIT: What's the name of the Green Dragon in Duskwood?

Lethon, Emeriss, Taerar, or Ysondre.

Its Random.

[Yuber8900]

The other three portals all have Green Drakes and Dragonspawn guarding them, the Duskwood one is an oddball.

[Timolas]

Lethon, Emeriss, Taerar, or Ysondre.

Its Random.
Okay thanks, I'll pick a random one then. Was too lazy to check myself you see.

[Yuber8900]

Throw in the Twilight Corrupter as a random spawn for fun.

EDIT: 2200 posts bow to me.

[Timolas]

Throw in the Twilight Corrupter as a random spawn for fun.

EDIT: 2200 posts bow to me.
Is that the Satyr? He ate me once. The bastard.

[Yuber8900]

Is that the Satyr? He ate me once. The bastard.

Part of the AQ opening questline.

He levels!

[Timolas]

Part of the AQ opening questline.

He levels!
If he is part of the questline why is he still there! :O
The gates opened months ago on my server, but he consumed my soul after it.

[Creative]

Zul'jin needs to lose weight :p

[Vicious]

Zul'jin needs to lose weight :p


Yeah, he really let himself go!

[Yuber8900]

If he is part of the questline why is he still there! :O
The gates opened months ago on my server, but he consumed my soul after it.

He appears whenever someone on the quest enters Duskwood.

[Kerrah]

I still think that Sylvanas has come to embrace her undeathness.

[ScytheRexx]

I still think that Sylvanas has come to embrace her undeathness.

Well if she has, she needs to show it.

"What are we... if not slaves to this torment."

"What joy is there in this curse"

She says those when you click on her in the Undercity. Don't not exactly sound like she has become happy with her condition.

[Yuber8900]

Well if she has, she needs to show it.

"What are we... if not slaves to this torment."

"What joy is there in this curse"

She says those when you click on her in the Undercity. Don't not exactly sound like she has become happy with her condition.

Those were her War3 TFT lines were they not?

[Vicious]

Well if she has, she needs to show it.

"What are we... if not slaves to this torment."

"What joy is there in this curse"

She says those when you click on her in the Undercity. Don't not exactly sound like she has become happy with her condition.

Read Yubber´s post, that thing is so recicled it hurts.

[Kerrah]

Those were her War3 TFT lines were they not?
Yeah, those lines also appeared during the First UD mission of tFT, where Sylvanas was still Scourge, so they couldn't put any forsaken lines to them. Then they re-used them later for WoW becouse the Sound Team is lazy, not thinking she might no longer actually think those things.

[Aldrius]

Wow. Varimathras influencing Sylvanas' mind?

That is an interesting thought. It also might explain why he let Balnazzar live. If that were true I would have oh so much more respect for Vari.

As for StarCraft, my favourite was DuGalle, I like how at the end... he was just like "This friggin' sector is so screwed up, a million UED armies couldn't save it. *Shoots himself in the head*"

[Timolas]

Wow. Varimathras influencing Sylvanas' mind?

That is an interesting thought. It also might explain why he let Balnazzar live. If that were true I would have oh so much more respect for Vari.

As for StarCraft, my favourite was DuGalle, I like how at the end... he was just like "This friggin' sector is so screwed up, a million UED armies couldn't save it. *Shoots himself in the head*"
Yeah that ending was awesome. His killing himself made no difference anyway though since the fleet got overtaken and destroyed shortly after, so he'd have died even if he didn't shoot himself.

About Vari, I think he is influencing her. In TFT it sounds like he really does serve her, but at that time Blizzard obviously planned for Balnazzar to be officially dead, just like they planned that there were no Belves no Azeroth anymore. So I suppose it's pretty possible. I mean, Dreadlords are masters of deception and corruption after all.

EDIT: What makes me wonder if he isn't a traitor is the fact that Detheroc seems to be dead, but yet again it wasn't Varimathras who struck the final blow at that time.

[Kenzuki]

Well Varimathas makes a comment in TFt about her becoming more like "us" if you will remember. And she is officially Lawful Evil in the RPG. As I have said before I think the state of undeath eventually corrupts the mind and soul, so while not all Forsaken are evil now, only time will tell if that lasts.

[Yuber8900]

Yeah that ending was awesome. His killing himself made no difference anyway though since the fleet got overtaken and destroyed shortly after, so he'd have died even if he didn't shoot himself.

About Vari, I think he is influencing her. In TFT it sounds like he really does serve her, but at that time Blizzard obviously planned for Balnazzar to be officially dead, just like they planned that there were no Belves no Azeroth anymore. So I suppose it's pretty possible. I mean, Dreadlords are masters of deception and corruption after all.

EDIT: What makes me wonder if he isn't a traitor is the fact that Detheroc seems to be dead, but yet again it wasn't Varimathras who struck the final blow at that time.

There were still BE left just view the first UD TFT campaign.

[Kerrah]

There were still BE left just view the first UD TFT campaign.
Actually, since it was found out in WoW that not all High Elves turned into BEs in WoW, i though those ones were Helves.

[Yuber8900]

Actually, since it was found out in WoW that not all High Elves turned into BEs in WoW, i though those ones were Helves.

They had BE clothes, I think.

[Kerrah]

They had BE clothes, I think.
Expect the Ranger who seemed to be leading them.

[Yuber8900]

Expect the Ranger who seemed to be leading them.

Well, did you really expect them to create a complete reskin for one unit for one level only?

[Kerrah]

Well, did you really expect them to create a complete reskin for one unit for one level only?
Maybe they were following her lead and she was the only one who though red is out of fashion?

[Timolas]

I expect those were High Elves; their using Blood Elf model could have been a mistake or laziness or forgetfullness. After all Kael made it sound like that group he was with during the Night Elf escort my caravan mission was one of the last groups of elves (despite the huge swarm of them in that bonus mission).

[Vicious]

Yeah, they were High elves, those skins couldn´t be modified in the expansion.

[Yuber8900]

yeah they could, just gotta switch something around, play around in World Editor for a bit and see.

[Kerrah]

Yeah, they were High elves, those skins couldn´t be modified in the expansion.
Actually, Priests, Sorceresses etc had multiple skins, if you put "Spcial Skin" off from the Unit Editor, they'll look like in RoC. I did that in my Map such a long time ago.

[Vicious]

Been a *long* since i last played with the WE, i stand corrected then.



But they were still High elves.

[Timolas]

Been a *long* since i last played with the WE, i stand corrected then.



But they were still High elves.
Agreed! After all there is their lodge in the plaguelands, and that area in the mission was all Lordaeron, so they could have come from the lodge.

[Kerrah]

Agreed! After all there is their lodge in the plaguelands, and that area in the mission was all Lordaeron, so they could have come from the lodge.
Yeah.

I still cant understad though that why didn't he send Gargoyles to hunt the refugees who escaped in the mountains?

[Timolas]

Yeah.

I still cant understad though that why didn't he send Gargoyles to hunt the refugees who escaped in the mountains?
Then Blizzard would have to nerf him.

But to be perfectly honest, I have no clue. Game mechanics. x-P Or something. Too early in the campaign to be priviledged with them.

Or maybe there were caves the refugees used.

[Yuber8900]

Same reason why we only get the stronger units the furher in the campaign we go.

[Kerrah]

Yeah, i quess so.