The Portrait to a Villain

[Kerrah]

The ones of you who have read my posts here at General Forums might know who i think is the best Villain in the history of Gaming. Kefka from Final Fantasy 6 takes the place above all else (yes, even Sephiroth). Here's a short version of his story:

In the world of FF6, the Empire is the largest nation in the world, ever expanding and making war to the other nations. Ages ago the art of Magic was lost, but The Empire refound it in the form of Espers. The Espers were former people who had been caught in the feet of three warring gods and transformed into greater beings by the magic of the gods. The Empire captured dozens of espers and turned to study them.

A man named Cid finally invented a machine that could infuse any person with the powers of an esper, Kefka was the first test subject of this machine. Unlike the later people infused with Magic, Kefka went insane from the powers and turned into the way he is in the game. He was promoted into a general of the Imperial Armies by the Emperor and took as his primary mission to turn a child of an esper and a human they had found where the espers had been, into a war machine.

The events of FF6 begin from sending that girl, brainwashed by a "slave crown" in her head, to aquire an esper frozen in the mines of a mountain city. She breaks free from the Empires command and flees to Figaro, a kingdom lead by an anti-empire activist. Kefka comes to find the girl and this is what happens: (the music in the beginning is Kefkas Theme)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt87U4GTcpk

Well, then all kinds of evil things happen and Kefka begins to get stronger as he drains more and more Espers from their powers. Finally he gets to kill the Emperor in a way very similiar to Darth Wader and Palpatine but without turning good, and absorbs the powers of the Three Gods of magic.

After that, he destroys most of the known world and sends the good guys running away, divided. The Heroes reorganise and attack Kefkas Tower, a monument of Destruction and Kefkas seat of power. They destroy his minions and finally come to fact him. The Final Battle begins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT7RZpyK6oQ part one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTABDi4227M part two.

Kefka is destroyed and everybody lives happily ever after.


But to get back to the point, Kefka is by far the best Villain ever made for a video game. He is wacky, mad and goofy, but in the same time he murders thousands of people even before he becomes half as strong as any of the heroes. He poisons a river just becouse its boring to watch the troops take that castle. He burns a village becouse it looks annoying. He sends bolts of energy to destroy anyone who doesn't serve him after he takes over the world. He decides to destroy the world just becouse there is no idea for everything to exist since it gets destroyed anyway.

Those who have played FF6 mostly agree with Kefkas supremity as the evil guy, he's got more fans than Sephiroth when you count how much less people have played 6 than 7. He inspired Kuja, another great Villain for FF9, and called his enemies before the final battle "Chapters from a Self-Help Booklet".

To end this rant, here is a tribute made by someone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BRNrgGpvEs (watch after the ending credits)
And here his final battle music "Dancing Mad" performed by The One Ups, a videogame music band:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2123332194080245535&q=dancing+mad

[Drirlake]

I always desliked Final fantasys lore,i don't know why,i geuss it sounded a bit “inept” and “kooky” and "irrational".
However i did play ff6 and and ff7,i agree kefka is the most evil person in this GAME but saying he is the most evil villin in the history of game making is just silly.
I have seen many more 100* evil beings who can make kefka shit his pants from terror.

Final fantasy itself is based on a very ironic mixed story,combining the world of magic with technology is a very bad mistake.It makes the story a bit "cartoony" and less realistic.
However final fantasy has one of the best CGI's every made,it stands right after blizzard which ofcourse has a better quality CGI.

EDIT:And the final fantasy movie SUCKED so much that it made my little sister cry :rolleyes: .

[Kerrah]

Each of us have our own opinions, but im not talking about being terrifying or "evilness", im talking about the overall image, personality, actions and such.

And besides, Final Fantasy Spirits Within was the biggest mistakes in the history of movies. Advent Children is much better even though its not that good either.

edit: What freaking FF lore? Each is a seperate Game!

[Drirlake]

Each of us have our own opinions, but im not talking about being terrifying or "evilness", im talking about the overall image, personality, actions and such.

And besides, Final Fantasy Spirits Within was the biggest mistakes in the history of movies. Advent Children is much better even though its not that good either.

edit: What freaking FF lore? Each is a seperate Game!

Yes,thats what i meant,the story wasn't connected,but they all circled around the same idea.

[Terrell]

Kefka was truly a great villain, I agree. Better than Sephiroth, but then again I never understood why people liked Sephiroth so much.

If I may provide a list of several other gaming villains I quite like -

Sarevok, from Baldur's Gate
Why? He's powerful, ruthless, and has a great plan that could have worked. He's your own half-brother, and I liked having a villain in a D&D game that wasn't a mage. Plus, his voice gave me the creeps.

The Nameless One, from Planescape: Torment
Yes, he was the player character, but I refer to all of his past incarnations, and the absolutely horrible things that they do. It's all the better because you can see why he did what he did in the past, and it's all rooted in the basic fear of death. The villainy was done for a reason and when you realise that the enemy is your own past self... that's frightening.

Durandal, from Marathon
Perhaps he's not a villain, but the mad computer was certainly an interesting character! He even ended up succeeding in his goals, which were understandable, even if you didn't necessarily sympathise with them.

I'm sure more will come to me later, but those will do for now...

[Timolas]

Durandal, from Marathon
Perhaps he's not a villain, but the mad computer was certainly an interesting character! He even ended up succeeding in his goals, which were understandable, even if you didn't necessarily sympathise with them.

Nostalgia!

I remember Marathon alright; was one of my favourite games back then by far.

[Drirlake]

Let list one of the best game villins ever:

Kain :From The Legacy of Kain Serious:The blood omen 1 and the blood omen 2, You play and commit countless evil deads with this guy and at the end of blood omen 1 he refuses to sacrifice himself to heal the world and chooses to Sacrifice the entire world and rule it in its Damned state.The ending of blood omen one was excellant and did manage to scare the shit out of me.Now in Blood Omen 2 you play as kain after he has been defeated and his army destroyed by a good organistion know as the Sarafan "Similar to the argent down in warcraft"You witness kain take his vengence by escaping his eternal prison to take his vengence by burning countless towns and cities and slaughtering the noble sarafan knights,killing countless people as you progress throught the game,at the end the game shows how evil destroys the good as kain kills the sarafan lord and finishs off the sarafan and as a final act of victory,kain turns the 7 sarafan lords into vampires and makes them his trusted generals using the words of"Keep your freinds close,and your enemies closer!"
Now thats EVIL

Now in The Legacy of Kain Serious:Soul Reaver 1 and 2 you play with Raziel one of the best anti heros ever made,he is a fallen wrath spirit who was one of kains major generals untill he was betrayed by kain and thrown into the dark abyss and instead of dying he transfomred into a wrath creature that feeds on souls.He is like an anti hero chasing kain through the world and through different time eras trying to kill him while at the same time discovering who he was in the past.

And in The Legacy of Kain Serious: Defiance you play with both Kain and raziel the two fighting to discover there true Destinies

An image of both Kain And Raziel from blood omen 2 and Soul Reaver 2:
http://www.jxp.ca/media/fondsdecran/34/kain-1280.jpg

[Kerrah]

Well, Kuja, who i mentioned already, is also great. I really love the way he decides to destroy the world when he founds out he will some day die of elderly age.

Then, on a non-FinalFantasy note, Diablo and Baal from Diablo series are the first to rise to my mind. I really cant say from Warcraft since there isn't a clear main villain besides Sargeras, who isn't seen in any of the games.

[Yuber8900]

Save the world plots are overdone.

[ARM3481]

Save the world plots are overdone.


In RL we all spend every day "saving" things in-between the whole world and our own personal lives on the scale of importance, so saving the world is like a sub-conscious desire in many people, I think. Like the ultimate, grand-championship of things to save.

Pretty much every conceivable plot has already been used in some form. Just as in RL, it's interesting characters involved that keep it all feeling fresh. Save the world stories appeal to people because its worldwide stage allows for a lot more potentially interesting characters to be involved.

Hence, when a movie, game or story seems like it's just a rehash of an overdone idea, I generally feel it means that it lacked the necessary characterization to set it apart. Bland characters can make any story seem redundant, but vibrant and interesting ones can make the tried-and-true stories seem fresh.

[Timolas]

Bland characters can make any story seem redundant, but vibrant and interesting ones can make the tried-and-true stories seem fresh.
Yeah, in the end most great stories are related to saving the world in some way or another.
Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, even Warcraft.

[Terrell]

Then, on a non-FinalFantasy note, Diablo and Baal from Diablo series are the first to rise to my mind.

Diablo and his cohorts weren't that interesting, though. There was the wonderful 'war in heaven' tone, reminiscent of some Christian myth, and I enjoyed it very much, but the villains themselves were only part of that tone. Their appearance, motivations and the like were all stereotypical 'demon' instead of interesting.

If we're going to talk about Blizzard villains, both Warcraft and Starcraft have some great enemies in them. Illidan (corrupted yet still trying to do the right thing in his own twisted way), Gul'dan (reckless, ruthless, and ultimately consumed by the very power he sought to control) and Ner'zhul (the coward whose clinical approach eventually grants him total dominion) stand out in Warcraft, but I have to say that the villains of Starcraft are that much better. Again, I will make a list.

The Overmind
You only get a good look at him in the first Zerg campaign, but what you do see is wonderful. He seems particularly all-powerful from your perspective as a cerebrate, and combined with his pseudo-biblical way of speech he comes off as almost omnipotent, every angle considered and assured of victory. His driving motivation comes out in the Invasion of Aiur -

My children, the hour of our victory is at hand. For upon this world of Aiur shall we incorporate the strongest known species into our fold. Then shall we be the greatest of creation's children. We shall be...

Perfect.

He's continuing the work of the Xel'naga, and he wants nothing less than perfection. The Zerg aren't mindless alien invaders; they have an agenda. A grand and horrifying plan to achieve purity through assimilation of every race they encounter. Coming from the mouth of the already Overmind, with its god-like qualities, just makes it seem all the more inevitable.

Arcturus Mengsk
Very, very cunning. He's a loathsome little manipulator, but you have to admire his resolve. He's gone from nothing to emperor to nothing again and never given up. It's simply a lust for power driving him, but he's clever enough to see when he's lost. His final speech in Brood War is a good example of this. A consummate schemer, and one who never seems to be down.

Sarah Kerrigan
Mengsk's one mistake. The Queen Bitch of the Universe has been through a long and twisted path. Both Mengsk and the Overmind controlled and exploited her for her power, with the end result that her power grows greater than either of them can control and she takes bitter vengeance. And you wreak it for her.

[Kerrah]

In RL we all spend every day "saving" things in-between the whole world and our own personal lives on the scale of importance, so saving the world is like a sub-conscious desire in many people, I think. Like the ultimate, grand-championship of things to save.

Pretty much every conceivable plot has already been used in some form. Just as in RL, it's interesting characters involved that keep it all feeling fresh. Save the world stories appeal to people because its worldwide stage allows for a lot more potentially interesting characters to be involved.

Hence, when a movie, game or story seems like it's just a rehash of an overdone idea, I generally feel it means that it lacked the necessary characterization to set it apart. Bland characters can make any story seem redundant, but vibrant and interesting ones can make the tried-and-true stories seem fresh.
Also, if you know a game will end in a "save the end situation", it's just a matter of "Why in the hell will someone want to destroy it?" Rather than "Will it be saved?"

[Creative]

Let list one of the best game villins ever:

Kain :From The Legacy of Kain Serious:The blood omen 1 and the blood omen 2, You play and commit countless evil deads with this guy and at the end of blood omen 1 he refuses to sacrifice himself to heal the world and chooses to Sacrifice the entire world and rule it in its Damned state.The ending of blood omen one was excellant and did manage to scare the shit out of me.Now in Blood Omen 2 you play as kain after he has been defeated and his army destroyed by a good organistion know as the Sarafan "Similar to the argent down in warcraft"You witness kain take his vengence by escaping his eternal prison to take his vengence by burning countless towns and cities and slaughtering the noble sarafan knights,killing countless people as you progress throught the game,at the end the game shows how evil destroys the good as kain kills the sarafan lord and finishs off the sarafan and as a final act of victory,kain turns the 7 sarafan lords into vampires and makes them his trusted generals using the words of"Keep your freinds close,and your enemies closer!"
Now thats EVIL

Now in The Legacy of Kain Serious:Soul Reaver 1 and 2 you play with Raziel one of the best anti heros ever made,he is a fallen wrath spirit who was one of kains major generals untill he was betrayed by kain and thrown into the dark abyss and instead of dying he transfomred into a wrath creature that feeds on souls.He is like an anti hero chasing kain through the world and through different time eras trying to kill him while at the same time discovering who he was in the past.

And in The Legacy of Kain Serious: Defiance you play with both Kain and raziel the two fighting to discover there true Destinies

An image of both Kain And Raziel from blood omen 2 and Soul Reaver 2:
http://www.jxp.ca/media/fondsdecran/34/kain-1280.jpg

This is the sort of bad guy I dislike.
Everything "evil" they do is just killing, killing, and destroying things.

I want the villains to be more than that, insane like Kefka or more, not just killing things.

[Kerrah]

Thats it, i just dont like some villain becouse he "Destroyed the kingdom and slaughtered thousands." He has to have the kind of personality that makes him more than just a killing machine.

[Drirlake]

Thats it, i just dont like some villain becouse he "Destroyed the kingdom and slaughtered thousands." He has to have the kind of personality that makes him more than just a killing machine.

He is not just a stupid killing machine,lol he screwed up the entire world just to save his own ass.He damned the world,refused to sacrafise himself to heal the corrupted world and instead he choose to rule it in its damnation.
Kain is an evil master mind,he doesn't enjoy senseless killings,he goes after his own intrests and to hell with the rest,he betrayed his best freinds because of this.
When it comes to treason,kain will make sure that those who made the treason and everybody around them including there freinds and family won't survive so that he can set an example of them.
He is an evil genuis and he is one of the best villiens ever created.

[Tysar]

He is not just a stupid killing machine,lol he screwed up the entire world just to save his own ass.He damned the world,refused to sacrafise himself to heal the corrupted world and instead he choose to rule it in its damnation.
Kain is an evil master mind,he doesn't enjoy senseless killings,he goes after his own intrests and to hell with the rest,he betrayed his best freinds because of this.
When it comes to treason,kain will make sure that those who made the treason and everybody around them including there freinds and family won't survive so that he can set an example of them.
He is an evil genuis and he is one of the best villiens ever created.

since when does killing someone and his whole family to make an example out of them make one an evil genius? I'd rather call that a ruthless tyrant who wants power.

[Drirlake]

since when does killing someone and his whole family to make an example out of them make one an evil genius? I'd rather call that a ruthless tyrant who wants power.

Thats not the move which makes him an evik genius,he did very bad evil deeds which requires the mind of a genius,just play the game and you will see.

[Tysar]

Thats not the move which makes him an evik genius,he did very bad evil deeds which requires the mind of a genius,just play the game and you will see.

I see, but I won't be able to get my hands on the game any soon (I don't really plan to anyway). I agree that Sarevok was a great villain though.

[Wulfang]

One of my favourite villains is Dhaos, from Tales of Phantasia. You spend the whole game trying to find ways to kill him and you even travel through time to chase him, as he time-travels each time he is about to die.

In the beginning of the game, you witness as four warriors defeat him a hundred years ago and he escapes to the present. But, just as he arrives, other four people are waiting there and they seal him with a magical barrier before he can even react. Ten years later, one of his followers is able to break the seal and you are sent back to the past, some time before he was defeated by the original four warriors. There, you find out that Dhaos is waging war on Midgard, a kingdom that has recently developed magitech, a technology that enables the creation of powerful mechanical weapons that fire devastating magic beams.

Also, Yggdrasil, the Tree of Life and the source of all magic in the world, is beginning to die, which will cause magic to disappear. In the present (where you come from) magic doesn't exist anymore because the tree has already died. As you discover that Dhaos can only be killed by magic, you guess that Dhaos is the one trying to kill the Tree, both to stop someone from using magic to kill him and to stop Midgard from using magitech against him.

Thus, the party decides that the only way the save the present is to change the past. You heal Yggdrasil and defeat Dhaos. But, just as he had done in the original timeline, he time-travels to cheat death. The party then travels back to the present, seconds after they had been sent to the past. You then defeat him again but he once more travels 40 years into the future (time-travel is so confusing :sweatdrop).

The party then travels to the future and obtains the Eternal Sword, a magical weapon that can stop Dhaos from time-traveling before being killed. You then kill him (this time for good) but, after he dies, we find out from the goddess Martel, Yggdrasil's guardian spirit, that he wasn't the bad guy. The ones who were killing Yggdrasil were the humans themselves bacause magitech drained too much mana from the tree, so Dhaos began the war to stop them. It is then revealed that Dhaos was from another planet, Derris Karran, whose Tree of Life had died and, as Dhaos' race needs mana to survive, he came to this world to obtain a seed from the local Tree. Then Martel transforms Dhaos' body into a Mana Seed and sends it to Derris Karran, so it can become a new Tree of Life and save the lives of an entire world...

I really love complicated plots :D

[ScytheRexx]

I don't consider Kain a "Villian". After playing defiance it seems the entire thing was just some sort of game to correct fate and bring balance that would never have happened if he sacrificed himself. Kain himself learns about the Elder God and everything falls into place for Kain to redeem the world that he at one time damned.

If they kept him like in the original Blood Omen and Soul Reaver I would agree that he was a villian, but now its really hard to say what his intentions in the end are.

Also the Sarafan were not a noble order, they were extremely wicked inquisitors that were more like the Scarlet Crusade rather then the Argent Dawn. Even Raziel, when who for almost the entire length of Soul Reaver 2 was angery at Kain for disgracing his former Sarafan heritage, saw how terribly evil and wicked his Sarafan self actually was, and thus he killed his former self instead of honoring him.

Kain to me is now more of a anti-hero, just like Raziel.

[Kenzuki]

The Villain has always been my favorite role, it is truly the most juiciest one of them all hehe. I personally like Sephiroth as a villan, but that's me. And it's important to note that unlike Kefka, Sephiroth came back from his defeat and if the line he delivers at the end of Advent Children is true it's possible that he can never truly be destroyed.

But I'de have to say I really love the character of Prince Arthas Menethil, who to me rocks as a villan in fantasy. Who could forget the scene in which he kills his father? "Succeeding you...Father."

P.S. Kuja was gay, I laughed out loud when I realized he was wearing a thong, and he walked like a woman.

[Terrell]

I personally like Sephiroth as a villan, but that's me. And it's important to note that unlike Kefka, Sephiroth came back from his defeat

If we want to play the one-up game, I could point out that Kefka actually succeeded in his megalomaniacal scheme to make himself a god where Sephiroth failed.

We don't want to, though, because raw power isn't a good measure of a villain's effectiveness. SHODAN only ever controlled a single station/spaceship and was physically helpless but was a great villain, for example. Ultimate cosmic power doesn't make a good or well-developed villain.

[ScytheRexx]

When it comes to Kefka and Sephiroth, I will go with Kefka as the greater "villain". The only reason I say this, is because Kefka was always an asshole crazy monster. Sephiroth for a long time was a hero that fell to become a monster when he learned of his birth and Jenova, so while he does have villian status, he is not as high on the villian meter at Kefka for me.

[Aldrius]

If we're talking about favourite villains, here are a few of mine.

Wuya- Xiaolin Showdown.

Despite being on a 'kids' show where she can't really kill anyone, she still manages to be this really threatening manipulative witch. I also really admire villains who can have absolutely NO powers, and no hand in what's going on... and still come out on top simply because they're smart enough or whatever. She's really creepy, and her voice actor does a REALLY good job at every bit of dialogue. Plus she's hawt and her powers are cool.

Ner'zhul.

Wrote a whole post on this guy. :P

The Joker - Batman

He's really scary, and yet ironically funny at the same time.

Hexadecimal - Reboot

Just a hilarious character. Really cool and creepy and at the same time whacky and extreme.

Uh... that's all for now.

[Yuber8900]

If we're talking about favourite villains, here are a few of mine.

Wuya- Xiaolin Showdown.

Despite being on a 'kids' show where she can't really kill anyone, she still manages to be this really threatening manipulative witch. I also really admire villains who can have absolutely NO powers, and no hand in what's going on... and still come out on top simply because they're smart enough or whatever. She's really creepy, and her voice actor does a REALLY good job at every bit of dialogue. Plus she's hawt and her powers are cool.

Ner'zhul.

Wrote a whole post on this guy. :P

The Joker - Batman

He's really scary, and yet ironically funny at the same time.

Hexadecimal - Reboot

Just a hilarious character. Really cool and creepy and at the same time whacky and extreme.

Uh... that's all for now.


Oh dear god Reboot.

[Kerrah]

I personally like Sephiroth as a villan, but that's me. And it's important to note that unlike Kefka, Sephiroth came back from his defeat and if the line he delivers at the end of Advent Children is true it's possible that he can never truly be destroyed.
Sephiroth is just a puppet for Jenovas Will. After he realises how he was "made", he faces such a large shock that Jenova makes him her bitch.

Kuja was made to be a bitch but in the end outcame his master, became free and decided to destroy the world since he could not rule it forever.

Kefka was a background character originally, but slowly became to impersonate the evil of the Empire, later he and the emperor used the good guys to get more Magicite and rule the world. He then decides to kill the Emperor and rule the world himself. Plus, he laughs with the most wicked way ever.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i212/Kerrah_photos/laugh2.gif <3<3<3

Anyways, FF6 also has one of the best side villains ever, Ultros:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i212/Kerrah_photos/Ultros2.png

[Vicious]

I agree with Kerrah on this, Shepiroth´s motivations was just an extention of Jenova´s will, he only showed actual character when Cloud was involved but he ignored him 80% of the game.

[Creative]

The most evil villain ever...

Xaldin from Kingdom Hearts 2.

JUST BECAUSE HE IS SO GODDAMN HARD TO DEFEAT!
I mean those goddamn spear is everywhere when you fight him.... ARGH!

And he has sideburns.

[Drirlake]

I don't consider Kain a "Villian". After playing defiance it seems the entire thing was just some sort of game to correct fate and bring balance that would never have happened if he sacrificed himself. Kain himself learns about the Elder God and everything falls into place for Kain to redeem the world that he at one time damned.

If they kept him like in the original Blood Omen and Soul Reaver I would agree that he was a villian, but now its really hard to say what his intentions in the end are.

Also the Sarafan were not a noble order, they were extremely wicked inquisitors that were more like the Scarlet Crusade rather then the Argent Dawn. Even Raziel, when who for almost the entire length of Soul Reaver 2 was angery at Kain for disgracing his former Sarafan heritage, saw how terribly evil and wicked his Sarafan self actually was, and thus he killed his former self instead of honoring him.

Kain to me is now more of a anti-hero, just like Raziel.

Yes i remember now,i haven't played the serious in a long time so i made some mistakes.The legacy of kain was a great serious :evil:
But kain in blood omen 1 refused to heal the pillars by sacrifising himself,and he choose to rule the world instead, I think he deserves some villainish credit fot that!Also kain nearly killed razial just because he was jealous from him.
And yes the sarafan where corrupt,i remember the sarafan lord being a hylden.

[Timolas]

And he has sideburns.

Can't get more evil than that huh?

If you ask me my favourite villain has to be Kil'jaeden, though he isn't my favourite character. Anyway, it's obvious why. Big bad guy ruling the universe, cunning and powerful. Immortal, with an endless army. Can't stop that.

[Kerrah]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i212/Kerrah_photos/kefkasuffer.png
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i212/Kerrah_photos/Kefka.gif
Nuff' said.
And Finally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZoe-r9qb0

[Kenzuki]

All of you saying Sephiroth was a puppet of Jenova are wrong. The creator's of the game have even said so. Basically this is what happened.

Sephiroth goes crazy after finding out what happend to him at birth, and does the whole destruction thing at Nibelhiem. Now as you know he takes the Head of Jenova off and falls into the Lifestream which carries him to the Northern Crator. Now he was there the whole time during the game yet you chase him around for god knows how long, but you see if truth this is not the real Sephiroth but it is part of Jenova that the real Sephiroth warped into his own image and is using to lead you on. Therefore all that Jenova does is because Sephiroth wills it to do, this is official as stated in the following quote.

There has been much debate in the past over the nature of Jenova's influence on Sephiroth and vice versa. However, this was prior to the publication of the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Ω Guide, a guide to the game's story published by Square Enix and endorsed as canonical. It states that Sephiroth's will and ambition were great enough that he was allowed to control Jenova's cells.

So as you an see Sephiroth wasn't Jenova's bitch, rather Sephiroth could be considered an evolved version of Jenova: a human being with the emotions, motivations and conscious perceptions associated with having a human mind, while also possessing the instinct for replication.


I could go on and on about it, but Jenova was not the one pulling Sephiroth's strings here. So yeah while Kefka is this crazy baddass mofo who became a god, Sephiroth has an intriguing backstory that is bar none in scope and depth. Remember sometimes the best villians are those who don't think they are evil.

[Kerrah]

Its like Lich King and Arthas really, Arthas was Ner'Zhuls bitch but he could control the Scourge. Sephiroth knew a sure way to get Cloud to go to Northern Crater, so Jenova allowed him to execute it. Its not like he was Jenovas Boss or he absorbed Jenovas will to himself, he was just Jenovas new avatar.

[ScytheRexx]

Sephiroth knew a sure way to get Cloud to go to Northern Crater, so Jenova allowed him to execute it. Its not like he was Jenovas Boss or he absorbed Jenovas will to himself, he was just Jenovas new avatar.

I don't know, don't really believe that. When "Reunion" was complete and Kadaj merged with the remaining cells of Jenova, he became Sephiroth, and still considered Jenova another person, as "mother".

I agree with Kenzuki that Sephiroth is the dominate one in the game, not Jenova.

[Kenzuki]

You don't understand Kerrah, Jenova is basically no more than a being that has animal intelligence, it's driven by instinct. It's a virus not an actually person like you or I, therefore Sephiroth's will was strong enough to basically make Jenova do what he wanted "her" to do. That's why you have "Sephiroth" in all those different places yet the real Sephiroth is still in the Northern Crator. I'm not saying Sephiroth is better than Kefka, because they are two different kinds of villans, they both are cool. i'm just trying to enlighten you on the subject of Sephiroth.

[Kerrah]

You don't understand Kerrah, Jenova is basically no more than a being that has animal intelligence, it's driven by instinct. It's a virus not an actually person like you or I, therefore Sephiroth's will was strong enough to basically make Jenova do what he wanted "her" to do. That's why you have "Sephiroth" in all those different places yet the real Sephiroth is still in the Northern Crator. I'm not saying Sephiroth is better than Kefka, because they are two different kinds of villans, they both are cool. i'm just trying to enlighten you on the subject of Sephiroth.
The reason all those parts of Jenova took the form of Sephiroth was becouse he knew Cloud would follow him to the ends of the earth. Literally.

[Kenzuki]

Exactly, they did that because Sephiroth willed them to do so.

[Kerrah]

Becouse Sephiroth knew the perfect way to get Cloud and the Black Materia to Northern Crater. The fact that his ideas were used still doesn't mean that he was in charge.

[Creative]

I am still disappointed in that Sephiroth didnt have a dramatic speech before the fight against him.

[Kerrah]

I am still disappointed in that Sephiroth didnt have a dramatic speech before the fight against him.
In Advent Children? Yes he did.

In FF7? You're right.

Save the world plots without Good-Bye speeches FTL.

[Kenzuki]

Sephiroth will never be just a memory....

[Kerrah]

Sephiroth will never be just a memory....
I think that Kefka will be the one who'll be forgotten more slowly in his world, he destroyed half of the landmass and burned basically all structures safe for the ones belonging to his servants.

[Kenzuki]

I think that Kefka will be the one who'll be forgotten more slowly in his world, he destroyed half of the landmass and burned basically all structures safe for the ones belonging to his servants.

If you say so, I think Sephiroth had a better backstory and plot attached to him, but meh to each his own.

[ScytheRexx]

Most people I talk to don't even know who Kefka is, while even strangers I talk to know, or at least heard, or Sephiroth. While I think they are both cool, Kefka does not nearly have the following or interest that Sephiroth carried, they even had him twice in the Kingdom Hearts as the hardest boss, simply because of his popularity.

I do agree though that Kefka will probably be remembered more by his "world" since he basically destroyed it, and everyone that survived will most likely know his name at that point.

[Kenzuki]

I like Kefka, don't get me wrong. I'm just more of a Sephiroth fan.

[Terrell]

Fair enough. I'll always like Kefka more, but then again I consider FF6 to be the absolute pinnacle of Final Fantasy and that the series only went downhill from there. Nostalgia for the age of 2D sprites! FF7 was good, and may be my second or third favourite Final Fantasy game, though.

[Yuber8900]

Bah Zeromus for life!

[Kerrah]

Most people I talk to don't even know who Kefka is, while even strangers I talk to know, or at least heard, or Sephiroth. While I think they are both cool, Kefka does not nearly have the following or interest that Sephiroth carried, they even had him twice in the Kingdom Hearts as the hardest boss, simply because of his popularity.

I do agree though that Kefka will probably be remembered more by his "world" since he basically destroyed it, and everyone that survived will most likely know his name at that point.
That is becouse you are not counting in the popularity of each game. Somewhere between 100 and 110 percent of FF6 players loved Kefka, but only about 85 or so percent of FF7 players liked Sephi.

And yes, FF6 is the best FF ever IMO, after that comes 9 and 7 is on the third spot. Haven't had the chance to play 1-5 yet though.

[Yuber8900]

IV 4 life bitches!

Seriously you go to the moon and stuff.

And the villian is really a freaking genius compared to the rest of them.

[Kerrah]

IV 4 life bitches!

Seriously you go to the moon and stuff.

And the villian is really a freaking genius compared to the rest of them.
I'd really like to play it, a shame really that i bought a version for American Playstation in my stupidness.

[Yuber8900]

I'd really like to play it, a shame really that i bought a version for American Playstation in my stupidness.

Finalandian school not that good eh?

You could just buy an american PS1/2/3

Why do they even make them that way anyway, isn't language based on disc?

[Kerrah]

Finalandian school not that good eh?

You could just buy an american PS1/2/3
I've paid enough money for that one game you know.

Also, the Adjective is Finnish.
Why do they even make them that way anyway, isn't language based on disc?
It's not the language, European disks dont work on American PSs and vice versa.

[Yuber8900]

I've paid enough money for that one game you know.

Also, the Adjective is Finnish.

It's not the language, European disks dont work on American PSs and vice versa.

They should just make the discs work in all systems, it's kinda dumb this way.

And I know it's Finnish I just like Finlandian better.

[Kerrah]

And I know it's Finnish I just like Finlandian better.
To be straight, i like it more as well.

[Kenzuki]

OMG you think 9 is better than 7? That makes me sick to my stomach.....

My list goes like this. For my top three favorite games.

VII
VI
VIII

P.S to all you Sephiroth haters out there.

If you were worth Sephiroth's time, you would be dead before he got to you. Nobody can withstand the pressure and electricity of being sought after by him, so their brain implodes upon knowing. Even if it’s not true.

[Yuber8900]

IV
VI
VII
IX

4 reigns supreme!

[Kerrah]

9 is better than 7, it just is. Better Musics, better battle system, an actualy FANTASY game, less engsty theme, Better Graphics (i know you are not supposed to base your opinions on games by their graphic but 7 makes my eyes bleed) and better Chocobo system.

AND MOOGLES!

[Yuber8900]

I hated 9's choboco game, I could never get my damn gold bo to fly, I wasted so many peppers....

[Vicious]

Overall, Sephiroth´s character is not that great, no way in hell you could reach that conclusion about him controling Jenova playing the game, ever. He´s so overrated it hurts.

Actually, pretty much every character in the game has poor character, except Barret, Vincent, and some of Shinra´s characters.

[Yuber8900]

I still haven't beaten VII.....

[Kerrah]

I hated 9's choboco game, I could never get my damn gold bo to fly, I wasted so many peppers....
You cant make him fly with Peppers, you need to have a Gold Chocobo!

[Yuber8900]

You cant make him fly with Peppers, you need to have a Gold Chocobo!

He was golden, the instruction booklet never sys how, the game guid doesn't say how, online doesn't say how, the game doesn't say how, NO ONE SAYS HOW!

[Kerrah]

He was golden, the instruction booklet never sys how, the game guid doesn't say how, online doesn't say how, the game doesn't say how, NO ONE SAYS HOW!
You go into a forest and press X.

Really not that complicated.

[Yuber8900]

You go into a forest and press X.

Really not that complicated.

When I press X, jack shit happened.

[Kerrah]

When I press X, jack shit happened.
On other word, you never tried.

[Yuber8900]

On other word, you never tried.

Plenty happened, when the word Plenty means Nothing.

[Kerrah]

Plenty happened, when the word Plenty means Nothing.
Well, then you had abused your disk and therefore it did not work (or it might have been square, circle or triangle, one of the main 4 buttons in a forest did it anyways).

[Yuber8900]

Well, then you had abused your disk and therefore it did not work (or it might have been square, circle or triangle, one of the main 4 buttons in a forest did it anyways).

Hmmmm maybe, but then again it happening on all the disks.....

[Kenzuki]

To each his own, I just happen to remember VII's story and characters most of all.

[Yuber8900]

I just realized the topic titles is

The Portrait TO a Villain

it's supposed to be OF right? Right?

[Kerrah]

I just realized the topic titles is

The Portrait TO a Villain

it's supposed to be OF right? Right?
Yes, but we already discussed my skills with english grammar (or rather lack thereof).

[Terrell]

Actually, pretty much every character in the game has poor character, except Barret, Vincent, and some of Shinra´s characters.

Indeed - Shinra made excellent antagonists, in my opinion. Not the first president's (forgotten his name, unfortunately) 'mwahaha' evilness, but after Sephiroth becomes a threat and Rufus takes control of Shinra they get to be quite interesting. They're intelligent, competent, and you can see why they take action. They don't have half-a-dozen plucky heroes ready to kill the giant monster, but they make do with armies and superweapons. Seeing them kill Sapphire Weapon, Diamond Weapon, and then break down the Northern Crater's shield were great moments for me. They weren't 'evil' in the strictest sense of the term, but out to protect their own business interests and they did that admirably.

Of course, I haven't seen Advent Children, so I don't know what happens to Rufus and Shinra there, but I liked what I saw in FF7. It's a shame they got so little screen time because, for me at least, they were much more intriguing than Sephiroth.

[Creative]

All Final Fantasy X characters are gay.


And I wanna play Final Fantasy 12.


I am shit with Roman numbers, live with it. :p

[Kerrah]

The Turks were brilliant characters too.

[Yuber8900]

FFVII had slightly better villians then most of the series.

At least they did something compared to the others...