Character Feedback? (Design)

[ScytheRexx]

I have been ramping up work on one of my stories, this one not related to WarCraft and instead involving another world in a broken down future, one that I created. Its hard to go into detail but I took heavy influence from WarCraft and Diablo in its creation, added a more modernized setting, and started working from there. Anyways I don't feel like explaining the whole thing so lets get to the point of this post.

Been brainstorming a lot and working on character designs, and I have one character that is a "Succubus" if you will. Spent the last two days designing her on paper and now getting all the models and textures into it, and I wanted some opinions. She has both a human and demon form, but I am only posting the demon one since thats the one I am working on the most. She is a barbie, but I still blocked off certain parts just in case anyone is sensative.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6978/succubuspostqp2.jpg

She is not finished, I plan to add tattoos on the body and model some hooves for the feet to replace her normal ones. I was considering wings of some type but I kind of like her without them.

The horns are hard to see in contrast with the hair, I will need to lighten them a bit to make them stand out. Agian, used my favorite model with some alterations, though I admit the face is similar to my troll I made. The next demon I am making, based on a Naga, will be more unique in the face department.

Any advice? I really want to improve on her, so tell me anything, good or bad. Just please keep it constructive ;)

[Kenzuki]

Hrmmmm she looks nice, sexy, dangerous. She could use those tattoos you mentioned, longer claws perhaps, maybe some spikes or blades coming out of her elbows?

[Aldrius]

She looks sexy, and cool and all that, as Ken said.

But I think she could use a little bit more... hm... 'personality' I guess would be the term. Some more depth to signify a character. More expression would help.

But even without that she looks great.

[Yuber8900]

Be cleansed in fire demon!

[ScytheRexx]

Hrmmmm she looks nice, sexy, dangerous. She could use those tattoos you mentioned, longer claws perhaps, maybe some spikes or blades coming out of her elbows?

Nice idea on the blades. That shouldn't be to difficult.

I was actually going to add claws, but have not gotten around to it yet. I did add fangs to her though, but its not like you can see them from this far.

As for the whole "Personality" thing, right now I just put her together, she will get a lot better once I get some clothes on her and work on some expressions.

Oh, and I do wish to mention that this Succubus is a "good girl", in other words not a villian in my story at all.

[ScytheRexx]

Well I decided to give her some updates before bed, designed a body style tattoo to give her a more feral and otherworldly feeling, and finally got some hooves modeled and parented. Sadly the hooves need a lot of work, they don't mesh well with her shins and so I need to get them to work, but I think I can fix that by adding another bone in her legs. The big thing I noticed on the hooves though is the tone, which didn't match the rest of the skin tone which was very odd, since I was sure I picked the same color and put it over the same original tone.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2686/succubus2postmq5.jpg

Oh I gave her earings also, to make her classy... yeah thats it... ;)

As for the blade/spike suggestion, going to work on that tomarrow, I wanted to get most of her other features down before I started to get her looking a bit more spikey.

[ScytheRexx]

Come on guys, no more help? At least tell me it sucks and I need to get a new hobby :D

[Ziilyn]

I like it, although I do think the hooves could use a little work. You could try adding some dark red to parts of the hair, to give her a little more demonic, firey look. You could always try wings on too, just to see what it would look like.

[Kaziel]

Just my 2 cents, but I've never much liked hooves... But if you're going to stick with hooves, remember, the legs should have two sets of joints. Hooves are basically the toenails or toes of a creature, so their heels would be sticking up in the air... akin to the Draenei in this screenshot:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/Kaziel/WoW/Two-Draenei-in-Nagrand.jpg

I think more tribal type tattoos would look better. Swirling and jutting at random points... seems more as a means to channel her demonic powers that way.

Finally, might want to work on her face a bit... in both pics she looks bored or anxious, which clashes strongly with the stances you have her in... maybe a feral grin... and her eyes... the seem sleepy... try working with them a bit as well.

[ScytheRexx]

Just my 2 cents, but I've never much liked hooves... But if you're going to stick with hooves, remember, the legs should have two sets of joints. Hooves are basically the toenails or toes of a creature, so their heels would be sticking up in the air... akin to the Draenei in this screenshot

Like I mentioned I need to add another bone to her shins, I already realize that and am going to work on it when I get home. The hooves if they don't work, will be removed and I will just give her clawed feet, this is just an experiment for now but I have concepts of her with everything from wings, to feet, to hooves.

I think more tribal type tattoos would look better. Swirling and jutting at random points... seems more as a means to channel her demonic powers that way.

I actually tried her with tattoos all over her body, but they didn't sit well with me so I removed the ones running around her legs and arms. I think I might need to take artists license with that one since I really don't think it would work overboard like that, probably just me. I may give, got any good tribal tattoo design resources I can look up?

Finally, might want to work on her face a bit... in both pics she looks bored or anxious, which clashes strongly with the stances you have her in... maybe a feral grin... and her eyes... the seem sleepy... try working with them a bit as well.

I agree, but all the expressions I am doing are quick just to give her something, don't expect awesome expressions in any of these pictures. Just my lame attempt at trying to make her look "sultry"

For now she will have to look stoned. :)

Oh and Ziil, I like the idea about the red highlights, will try that out for my next draft.

[Kaziel]

Well, I can't give you a direct place to go for Tribal Tattoos, but the best option is the same thing it's always been... google. :D

Some nice images I found from google:

http://www.geocities.com/impact_blue26/kou3.jpg

http://www.redzink.com/

http://www.darklands.no/tattoos/tribal.jpg

http://www.thorjarle.com/wp-content/2006/07/tribal.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/62/169464898_ba46d090f7_m.jpg

[Vicious]

Looks good, only thing i don´t like is that you don´t stop censuring her!

[Drirlake]

Porn???

Anyways the one with the hooves looks a bit ludicrous,i liked the first one better.,You could try giving here some reddish skin around here arms.Also you could give here some sort of fire tattoos on her back.
Shorten the hair a bit,and remove the god damn horns,we are not dealing with a goat.
You could try giving her some sort of "fangs" and ofcourse.
If you want her to look more demonic,You could give her some sort of a mask attached to the flesh in her chest,Think "Shadow Man" like this:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/drirlake/shadow_man.jpg

ABout the eyes,you could use very blow glowing eyes,not the "warcraft type"
Like this: "Notice the eyes"

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/drirlake/shadowman2.jpg

Try giving her a bizar dress,Maybe a Red Hood,With half one plate Shoulder attached on one of her shoulders.

Try giving her Some sor of a "wrapped cloth"around her Wriest and arms,Think "Razial" from the legacy of kain.
Anyways this is just my ideas,i have tons of them,but i am going to have to tell them later.

[Kaziel]

I feel the need to lower Vicious' comment to the lowest common denominator:

TITS OR GTFO!


>.>

[Drirlake]

I feel the need to lower Vicious' comment to the lowest common denominator:

TITS OR GTFO!


>.>


Pics Please.

[ScytheRexx]

Thanks for the suggestions Dirr, but frankly I think you are looking for a COMPLETELY different character, and I am only asking for advice to tweak her, not change her. With what you want I will have to scrap everything I have worked on and my overall vision, and thats not going to happen when she is my character. ;)

[ScytheRexx]

Looks good, only thing i don´t like is that you don´t stop censuring her!

Its not like she has anything under the bars, just trying to respect people that might be sensative.

[Kaziel]

Its not like she has anything under the bars, just trying to respect people that might be sensative.As bizarre as it might seem, I kinda figured this might be the case... >.> And honestly, bare boobs would look freaky... o.o

[ScytheRexx]

Well agian thanks for the all the feedback. When I get home I am going to work on her some more, thinking of adding some wings just to try them out but it will take me a bit to model them.

I really want to try and keep the hooves but I will have to see how well I can get that second joint going.

[Drirlake]

I will try to come up with more ideas then...
You could still add the glowing eyes still,that will make her look alot cooler.
And ofcourse the fire tattoos,i will try to find them and post them here.

[Kaziel]

If you go for wings, there are a couple potential ideas you could work with... I'll use Disney's Gargoyle designs as a visual standpoint...

First there is webbed:
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/g/goliathgarg.jpg
This type is akin to a bat's wings, in that you can equate it to a hand, with the thumb being the joint sticking up at the top, and each bone going throught the wing being a finger, with the wing being a type of webbing connecting it.

The second type is fingered:
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/d/demona1.jpg
These bear more of a resemblance to Pterodactyl wings, again, being like hands, only instead, the thumb and first few fingers are at the wrist, with the only webbing being between the edge of the pinky finger and the end of the body.

Also, one thing to think about if you go the wing route is that she can wear the wings around her body like a cloak, shown here:
http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/WDC/WDCFS30.gif

[ScytheRexx]

I used to love that cartoon, if I did go with anything it would be the ones used by Goliath, as I have never been a fan of the "hands on wings" thing.

I will work on that tonight, and get the new joints in for the feet.

[Krucifire]

maybe change the tail a bit... reminds me too much of poke'mon :D

[ScytheRexx]

maybe change the tail a bit... reminds me too much of poke'mon :D

Well I didn't want the cheesy devil tail, and they also use the tail as a weapon, thus the sharper more spear like design.

[Vicious]

Holy crap, i loved that show Kaziel.

[Kenzuki]

I LOVED Gargoyles too hehe, it used to be one of my favs back in the day. I don't have Disney anymore so I don't know if it still comes on. I used to like Xanatos, because you know he was Commander Riker and all.

[ScytheRexx]

No update yet, been working like crazy with some skin designs. I tried one with some tribal tattoos added to her body, both with and without the stripes, and worked on some wings that are still not finished. I removed the hooves because they were giving me too many issues with that extra joint, I might get back to it later. I also tried to give her Gargoyale-style clawed feet but they made her look unproprtional to the extreme.

I tried getting some clothes on her also, but I felt the outfit might have been a bit to revealing, even for a succubus, but I might post one of my drafts later today just so people can see.

Oh, I also added red streaks to the hair. I didn't want to go with all red and I always liked the idea behind streaks, so I went with it.

[Cantus]

Instead of wings, you might try giving her a set of semi-horns on her shoulders, kind of like seeing the claws of the wings without actually going for the full effect.

As to armor/clothing, what are you looking for? Seductive, tattered, armored?

If you want to make her less human, you could try making her stomach jut forward in an upside down V shape. Hmm, that's not the best way to describe it...best I can word it would be make it look like her rib cage is continuous down her entire torso, instead of ending at the chest line. Other things could be protruding parts of her bone structure outside the skin like the spine, ribs, or jaws.

I like the tail, good divergence from the standard demon character. You could fork it or add a second one though.

What kind of tattoos are you looking for? Generic tribal ones (like Kaz showed) can be good, but there are others as well. Maybe use a Cyrillic or Arabic script and have words written along portions of her body. There's also the idea of having thorns (not barbed wire, real thorns) along her appendages.

[Kenzuki]

Or like Lillith from Diablo make her hair a mane of spines that goes down along her back hehe.

[ScytheRexx]

Thanks for the idea guys but I want to her to still look somewhat human, I am not trying to make a freak, but a demon seductress.

And I want the clothing seductive without needing to rely on showing a lot of skin, I also want it semi-armored. I want something like a bra and panties, shoulder armor, leg wraps and arm wraps.

Also Cantus, if you have any tattoo sources I would be more then happy to look at them. Its not hard to add tattoos to the master skin, so I am making more then one version.

This character will not be "finished" for a long time, I just like working on and off with this story, I just made a few revisions to my little plotline to add a bit more depth while here at work.

[Cantus]

Heh, I don't have any sources on me right now, but since I'm looking to get a real tattoo i've been doing some minor searching here and there.

While it may not be as effective on a demoness, my sister did have the idea of using Tolkien's elven runes as a tattoo. While I'm not enough of an LotR fan to do that, you may want to look into that one on the model.

I'll try and find a few sources for tattoos before days end. Unfortunately i've got a bio lab to deal with, but it shouldn't take too much time.

[Timolas]

While it may not be as effective on a demoness, my sister did have the idea of using Tolkien's elven runes as a tattoo. While I'm not enough of an LotR fan to do that.
Well you're a Warcraft fan, you could get Gul'dan's runes tattooed. xD

You're doing geat Scythe, though I personally don't have any ideas to contribute to it. ;)

[Cantus]

Guldan's tattoos may work for a male orc, but on a female it looks much different.

[ScytheRexx]

Pretty cool stuff, I will take some of that stuff into conisderation, but I hope in the end I can make my own tattoos, just need the insperation

[ScytheRexx]

Well worked on the wings mainly today, tattoos will have to come later. Today I removed the stripes to work on a better tattoo.

The big thing about the wings is I would not be able to make anything as large and unique as the Goliath wings, so I gave her smaller wings that fold behind her, I might change that later but I do like the ones she has now.

She still needs a lot of work, but today I decided to do an art test. The render didn't turn out perfect, but I decided to photoshop it a bit and add a stock background. I think it would work if I continued to refine it a bit.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7572/arttestwi7.jpg

I just realized I forgot to add depth of feild, oh well... it was only a test =P

[Ziilyn]

Looks pretty good! :D

[Cantus]

Hmm, could use some shading effects on the wings to give them a bit more of a realistic look, but otherwise it looks incredible. The longer nails are also a plus.

[ScytheRexx]

Hmm, could use some shading effects on the wings to give them a bit more of a realistic look, but otherwise it looks incredible. The longer nails are also a plus.

I see what you mean. Well next I am working on the clothing so I will check that for the next test.

[Rebirth]

Looks very nice! Love the hair, her expression, longer nails, etc. I say keep her human feet, change the wings a bit as they do not look as if they could support her in flight (the part that protrudes from her back seems to long and disproportional to the rest of the wing, so either make that shorter or the rest of the wing larger), and make the tatoo on her eye look less like someone drew on her picture with a pencil.

Otherwise, amazing!!

[ScytheRexx]

I do plan to scale them up a bit, but I need to make sure scaling it does not make it even more weird looking. The wings, when spread, do get a decent wing span though. She is in a "rest" position now, which means she has them folded inward a lot.

And I like the eye tattoo :( but I might change the design on the inside of the "claw"

[Rebirth]

I do plan to scale them up a bit, but I need to make sure scaling it does not make it even more weird looking. The wings, when spread, do get a decent wing span though. She is in a "rest" position now, which means she has them folded inward a lot.

And I like the eye tattoo :( but I might change the design on the inside of the "claw"

I figured her wings were in the rest position, jsut stating what I thought. As for the eye, I did not realize that there was a pattern in the "claw" I guess I'll have to look closer. I figured it was supposed to be a solid tattoo, hence the comment.

[ScytheRexx]

I figured her wings were in the rest position, jsut stating what I thought. As for the eye, I did not realize that there was a pattern in the "claw" I guess I'll have to look closer. I figured it was supposed to be a solid tattoo, hence the comment.

I see what you mean, here is a close up with the tattoo. If it looks kind of blurry its because I was using this to test out filters and enhancing techniques. Bring more life out of the render. Right now I think I need to make it less blurry and a bit less dark.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8721/closepostag5.jpg

EDIT: Here is the original render unaltered, without any filters. Frankly I think it looks just good all by itself, minus a few touchups and a bit more dark added to her. The only reason I am using filters is to give it a more drawn look rather then a 3D look.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1569/closecz1.jpg

Tell me, what do you guys think about some post techniques? I think what I did in the last picture looked a lot better, personally. Still I want more advice, you never learn anything if you never ask.

[Kenzuki]

Sandra Bullock......

[ScytheRexx]

Sandra Bullock......

Sorry, I really don't see it.

http://www.new-dimension-software.com/top_models/images/sandra-bullock_index.jpg

[Kastrien]

very nice artwork

[Rebirth]

I actually prefer the first to teh second, whatever filter(s) you used made her more appealing.

[Cantus]

The filters give her a more youthful look, but I like both equally.

[ScytheRexx]

Can you guys admit I added to much blur? hehe..

[Kastrien]

I only noticed the blur on the outside parts of the hair.
and that wasn't even until after you mentioned it.
i think it looks fine

[ScytheRexx]

I only noticed the blur on the outside parts of the hair.
and that wasn't even until after you mentioned it.
i think it looks fine

I guess I am being overly critical, but I have to realize thats the reason I rarely finish any of my projects, because its just not good enough in my mind.

This is the first one in awhile I felt was something I could do without feeling like it was to over the top or simply a ripoff, so its easy to work on... for now...

Oh, and before bed, figured why not show my first shot of my little character in her human form. I added the other succubus picture so you can get an idea.

Her human form was actually the first thing I worked on for this project of mine, the succubus form needed a lot more work and thus why I am asking for advice.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6770/humanpostfs4.jpg

Any advice here?

EDIT: oops... I forgot the censor, oh screw it, like I said nothing there anyways so if someone gets offended, oh well :)

[Kastrien]

yeah.. that looks awesome.
lol

[Cantus]

Hmm, just realized the tattoo on her left breast could use some slight editing. The bottom line looks like it's simply been copy/pasted straight from a 2d environment to a 3d one. Not sure if it's an easy touch up, but adding a curve to it might help.

Other than that, you're doing one hell of a job. I'd go so far as to say you belong in the Blizz art department.

[ScytheRexx]

Other than that, you're doing one hell of a job. I'd go so far as to say you belong in the Blizz art department.

I am nowhere near that talent, I wish I was :(

[xlandhenry]

Great job, Scythe.

But do you plan to add eye glows to that Succubus form? I think that will be cool. :)

[ScytheRexx]

But do you plan to add eye glows to that Succubus form? I think that will be cool. :)

A tiny glow as you can see in the other pictures, but I still want people to notice her eyes are red.

[Kenzuki]

Her human form looks like a girl I dated once..... :raisedbro

[ScytheRexx]

Her human form looks like a girl I dated once..... :raisedbro

Lucky bastard...

[Rebirth]

Her human form looks like a girl I dated once..... :raisedbro


Can I have her number? haha.

But really nice work! Take away the wings and long sharp nails and cllothe her like the human form and that's one of hte hottest chicks ever. Lol. But then again, the hottest woman ever is Amy Lee from Evanescence, no challenge.


The succubus' eyes do not look red to me so much as a pale, off white hue. Personally, I think that works. And once again, nice work!

As up to Blizz standards, your pretty damn good, but your style is completely different, so there really can be no comparison. Just because your damned good, doesn't mean you should let it get to your head, but remember you have talent.

[ScytheRexx]

the hottest woman ever is Amy Lee from Evanescence, no challenge.

I can agree with that.


The succubus' eyes do not look red to me so much as a pale, off white hue. Personally, I think that works. And once again, nice work!

I guess you are right, that is what happens when I put over the filters and add a bit of a glow.

As up to Blizz standards, your pretty damn good, but your style is completely different, so there really can be no comparison. Just because your damned good, doesn't mean you should let it get to your head, but remember you have talent.

Well I do have some help, I am mainly a texture artist and animator, my modeling can often be sub-par, which is why I used some stock models, including the figure, for this. I simply changed the design of the existing figure to make her look how I wanted.

[Vicious]

Those eyes still freak me out man, maybe you should consider making them like that one in your avatar?

[ScytheRexx]

Those eyes still freak me out man, maybe you should consider making them like that one in your avatar?

Look closely.

They are the same eyes already :kawaii:

Its all based on expression really...

[Drirlake]

Is it just me or does your humie girl and her succubus lackey have a face very similar to your previous troll avatar?I could swear they almost have the same vertical dimension of a face!
Personally i deslike her Succubus look,you should make her look more unique not like some succubus from the warcraft universe.
As i said,Get rid of the horns,hoofs and tail.I like her part red hair and her wings
Use glowing Red or blue eyes.Or at least add some fangs.
Try to give her a more unique look,Make her more Distinguished,Make her look more like a half humen/demon hybrid not like some lame succubus.Give her a beard for example."Just kidding :D "Altough she well look great on it...

[ScytheRexx]

Is it just me or does your humie girl and her succubus lackey have a face very similar to your previous troll avatar?I could swear they almost have the same vertical dimension of a face!

I used the same model with some face alterations, but yes, she is still very similar in design. You have to look for the differences to really see them.

Personally i deslike her Succubus look,you should make her look more unique not like some succubus from the warcraft universe.

She looks nothing like a Succubus from the WarCraft universe, I never even used that as a basis. I am making her based on old stories about the succubus, which follow similar key elements.

As i said,Get rid of the horns,hoofs and tail.I like her part red hair and her wings

I might remove the hooves, but the horns and tail are staying, they will not be removed.

Use glowing Red or blue eyes.Or at least add some fangs

She already has pale red eyes with a white glow, and already has fangs. It hard to see the fangs since her mouth is closed.

Try to give her a more unique look,Make her more Distinguished,Make her look more like a half humen/demon hybrid not like some lame succubus.Give her a beard for example."Just kidding :D "Altough she well look great on it...

Sorry you think the succubus is lame, but I don't :P You will have to deal with the fact she is a succubus, I am not changing that.

If you want her to be a hybrid you can see her in the transitional form I will be showing another time.

[ScytheRexx]

Well I decided to make one more design of her, this one being a sort of "transitional" look. Basically I took everything I did to make her look like a demon, and halfed it, then made changes to some of the textures. Here is what I got so far, I dressed them all in the human clothes because they will be the clothing she wears most often. Still working on a good set of tattoos for the demon and half-way skins. I also darkened the tail for the demon and spread the wings out more. I plan to make the wings a bit bigger but I worry about the scale messing them up a bit.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9775/transitionxz6.jpg

[Drirlake]

I think that during the transition period,her clothes should be torn a bit?

[Creative]

I think that during the transition period,her clothes should be torn a bit?

.... I see what you are thinking.

Pervert.

[Rebirth]

Very nice!

But a quick suggestion for the transition phase: add budding wings and the beginning of a tail

[Bradford]

.... I see what you are thinking.

Pervert.

He was just saying what we were ALL thinking.....

[ScytheRexx]

I know I have not posted in here for awhile, but its because I have been messing around on the Wii and been working doubletime, but I decided to take some time today to finally get a more solid picture and see how well I can blend with other 3D backgrounds. Here, I decided to give a little "step by step" dealio. Still working on the shadows for the right side of the frame, as she is a bit brighter then she should be for the light source I want in the room.

Character Render

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5905/render9ef5.jpg

Background Render

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6411/backghj8.jpg

Composite

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1334/backggtzf4.jpg