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Warlock
08-04-2007, 02:31 PM
<A HREF="http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gallery=8043"><IMG SRC="http://www.shacknews.com/images/sshots/Screenshot/8043/8043_46b4de24c4c1b_thumbnail.jpg" align="right" border="0"></A><A HREF="http://www.shacknews.com/">Shacknews</a> has some early details on the upcoming WarCraft movie which you can read <A HREF="http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/48296">right here</a> (along with a piece of concept art of Teldrassil).

Here is a rundown:<ul><li>Coming in 2009</li>
<li>2 1/2 hours long</li>
<li>Set one year before WoW</li>
<li>New central hero who is "pretty bad ass"</li>
<li>"Ultimately we're approaching it like a movie like X-Men, with a lot of important beats... It's a sequence of events that is really exciting. It's kind of a re-imagining of recent plot points. Thematically it's about cultures and conflict. In this world, why does the violence never end?" </li>
<li>More of a war movie, not a quest movie ala Lord of the Rings</li>
<li>Told from the Alliance's perspective</li></ul>Not a whole lot, but interesting none-the-less. Hopefully we'll hear more as the day rolls on.

Aldrius
08-04-2007, 02:36 PM
Shrek is a kids movie... what... does that... have to do... with anything... even if it was solely a kid's movie...

Gawd.

ScytheRexx
08-06-2007, 09:20 AM
Shrek is a kids movie... what... does that... have to do... with anything... even if it was solely a kid's movie...

Gawd.

The issue is that Shrek is a family comedy, and Pixar and Dreamworks have shown that family comedies are often the best genre to use with 3d animation. Metzen does not want to make WarCraft a family comedy in order for it to get a lots of asses in the seats.

When it comes to a more dramatic story, they don't seem to do as well, look at for instance, Spirits Within, which was acclaimed for its script and visuals, but your average theater-goer can not grow attached to the more stern characters and thus it failed at the box office. Having reached the Uncanny Valley didn't help much.

I can understand what they are saying, 3d animation is my life, but I realize that when it comes to a dramatic film, its not ready to convey that type of genre more then through smaller cutscenes and action, maybe in a small episodic format, but not a movie.

Aldrius
08-06-2007, 09:28 AM
Er... they were talking about stories from a 'villainous' point of view, weren't they?

Shrek was an ogre. The story worked from an 'ogre's' point of view... what does that have to do with it being a 'kid's' movie?

Not saying it should be from the Horde's perspective, but still.


I can understand what they are saying, 3d animation is my life, but I realize that when it comes to a dramatic film, its not ready to convey that type of genre more then through smaller cutscenes and action, maybe in a small episodic format, but not a movie.

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm?

That's two-dimensional... but it's still animated.

Drirlake
08-06-2007, 11:48 AM
History has always proven to us that movies based on games will always Phail hard.

Kerrah
08-06-2007, 12:03 PM
History has always proven to us that movies based on games will always Phail hard.

Silent Hill....

Omacron
08-06-2007, 12:18 PM
With Dennis Hopper as King Koopa!

Kerrah
08-06-2007, 12:52 PM
But really. Anyone who thinks all video game movies are bad should see Silent Hill the Movie.

Omacron
08-06-2007, 01:09 PM
But really. Anyone who thinks all video game movies are bad should see Silent Hill the Movie.

Silent Hill wasn't a "good" movie, it was an "okay" movie, but it was a "GREAT" videogame movie.

ScytheRexx
08-06-2007, 01:09 PM
Er... they were talking about stories from a 'villainous' point of view, weren't they?

No, they were talking about it from a non-human point of view. Shrek works not only because by nature his emotions and reactions are more human then most of the humans in the film, but its supposed to be funny, allowing people to drop their guards and accept Shrek for what he is.

WarCraft would not have that considering it nature. They want the movie to be a clash of cultures in a time of war, and doing so from the aggressive prospective of the Horde fighting the Alliance, without the bonus of comedy, would cause people to distance themselves more from the characters, much like they did with the very ridged Spirits Within.

Shrek was an ogre. The story worked from an 'ogre's' point of view... what does that have to do with it being a 'kid's' movie?

Shrek was a human in an ogre suit and a bad temperment. The whole story was about someone ugly finding a place for himself and meeting love for the first time. I can tell you that if Shrek yanked out an axe and started chopping humans in half, roaring as the blood covered his face, the audiance would distance themselves from him rather then look at him like a lovable teddy bear.

Also, Shrek was a family comedy, which in turn means some will consider it a kids movie. Its simply a perspective, but family comedies are geared towards a lot of easy humor that can be understood by kids, with some overbranching adult humor weaved in.

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm?

That's two-dimensional... but it's still animated.

Its not the same. 3D and 2D are looked at completely differently. When you move into 3D you have the terrible chance of hitting the uncanny valley, which will repulse your audiance and drive them away, something that can not be done in 2D animation. This is why most 3D is done in a very hyper stylized or exaggerated nature, so that the character still feel like the 2D cartoons.

The best use of 3D, unless you are doing something like Ratattoue or Ice Age, is to mix it with something else, like 2D animation or live action. Iron Giant is a good example of a movie that would have fallen apart if it was completely 3D.

Omacron
08-06-2007, 01:54 PM
Iron Giant fell apart because cartoon network decided to show it for TWENTY FOR HOURS every year for a few years.

Kenzuki
08-06-2007, 01:58 PM
At least Metzen has told us that we can pretty much not count the movie as cannon.

Nephalim
08-06-2007, 02:12 PM
Can you source that? Because I listened to the whole movie panel and never heard anything like that.

Vicious
08-06-2007, 02:40 PM
At least Metzen has told us that we can pretty much not count the movie as cannon.

Actually he said that the movie will be a stand alone adventure which means it will not be directly related to the storyline of WoW.

ScytheRexx
08-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Yes, he never said it would not be canon, but that it will be stand-alone, meaning you don't need to play the games to understand what is happening.

Timolas
08-06-2007, 03:09 PM
Hopefully they don't mess around with stuff too bad. Then we may end up with way too many arguements against more canonical stuff inspired by the films.
They said that people enslaved by the story (their way to denounce people like us) would be displeased.
I won't watch it for the lore, but I expect that it will be a great movie.

Aldrius
08-06-2007, 09:03 PM
The best use of 3D, unless you are doing something like Ratattoue or Ice Age, is to mix it with something else, like 2D animation or live action. Iron Giant is a good example of a movie that would have fallen apart if it was completely 3D.

Uh... what about the Incredibles? That one was pretty serious. So was Ratatouille but in a more suburban way.

I don't think the medium has any basis on how a film results other than 'type-casting'. 3D Animation has only been used as a medium for children, that doesn't mean it couldn't be used for adult movie-going well.

What's with you lately, Scythe? :P You seem to be coming to Blizzard's defense more often than usual. :P

Saim
08-06-2007, 11:30 PM
No 3D?

Shit.

Won't be pleased if "enslaved by storyline"?

Double shit.

ScytheRexx
08-07-2007, 12:29 AM
Uh... what about the Incredibles? That one was pretty serious. So was Ratatouille but in a more suburban way.

Family comedy, and another family comedy. If you count his brother making fun of him when he talks about taste as something serious, then we have different ideas of what makes a film "serious".

They were no more series then Shrek or Ice Age, the most serious thing in any of the movies being "implied" death.

I don't think the medium has any basis on how a film results other than 'type-casting'. 3D Animation has only been used as a medium for children, that doesn't mean it couldn't be used for adult movie-going well.

Did you see Spirits Within? Fully 3D, Realisitc, Drama, had the entire Final Fantasy name plastered on it. It flopped. Why? Not because the story sucked, but because people have trouble dealing with 3D characters in a realistic setting when not put together with other real characters.

Its the uncanny valley, the audiance would rather see cartoonish characters doing goofy things then watch a realistic movie with serious issues and emotions. When we see a robot act human we look at his humanity, when we see a robot that looks ALMOST like a human and acts like a human, we see him instead for his anti-humanity.

Blizzard is not going to put all that time making a fully 3D film only for it to flop because the general audiance would get repulsed by the film, its just bad buisness.

What's with you lately, Scythe? :P You seem to be coming to Blizzard's defense more often than usual. :P

Its because when it comes down to it I like to be the voice of reason for Blizzard, when they make choices I make an analysis why they make the choice, and if I agree with them, like I do with the movie after hearing them explain the reasons, then I defend the choice rather then get on the hate train.

Someone needs to stand up for them when everyone else wants to complain about everything from Lore, to the movie, to what they had for breakfast.

Drirlake
08-07-2007, 05:13 AM
Hopefully they don't mess around with stuff too bad. Then we may end up with way too many arguements against more canonical stuff inspired by the films.
They said that people enslaved by the story (their way to denounce people like us) would be displeased.
I won't watch it for the lore, but I expect that it will be a great movie.

It will be slightly better than Dungeons and Dragons.

Kerrah
08-07-2007, 05:17 AM
It will be slightly better than Dungeons and Dragons.

Oh my god. I saw that movie and I have to say I'll sue Hollywood someday so they can give me my 90 minutes back.

Kenzuki
08-07-2007, 05:26 AM
Family comedy, and another family comedy. If you count his brother making fun of him when he talks about taste as something serious, then we have different ideas of what makes a film "serious".

They were no more series then Shrek or Ice Age, the most serious thing in any of the movies being "implied" death.



Did you see Spirits Within? Fully 3D, Realisitc, Drama, had the entire Final Fantasy name plastered on it. It flopped. Why? Not because the story sucked, but because people have trouble dealing with 3D characters in a realistic setting when not put together with other real characters.

Its the uncanny valley, the audiance would rather see cartoonish characters doing goofy things then watch a realistic movie with serious issues and emotions. When we see a robot act human we look at his humanity, when we see a robot that looks ALMOST like a human and acts like a human, we see him instead for his anti-humanity.

Blizzard is not going to put all that time making a fully 3D film only for it to flop because the general audiance would get repulsed by the film, its just bad buisness.



Its because when it comes down to it I like to be the voice of reason for Blizzard, when they make choices I make an analysis why they make the choice, and if I agree with them, like I do with the movie after hearing them explain the reasons, then I defend the choice rather then get on the hate train.

Someone needs to stand up for them when everyone else wants to complain about everything from Lore, to the movie, to what they had for breakfast.

Yeah Advent Children pwnd Spirits within though. Of course I'm an anime fanboy, what do I know?

Aldrius
08-07-2007, 08:20 AM
Family comedy, and another family comedy. If you count his brother making fun of him when he talks about taste as something serious, then we have different ideas of what makes a film "serious".

They were no more series then Shrek or Ice Age, the most serious thing in any of the movies being "implied" death.

How about when he has an epiphany in the car? Or the running themes throughout the film? Or the little speech about critics? These things are character-driven and rather impressive writing. 'For a kids' movie' anyway.

And the Incredibles had tons more of that.

I suppose they're not more 'mature' than Shrek or Ice Age, but those weren't exactly immature either. (Even though Shrek single-handedly prevented any especially serious/mature CGI movie from being made...)


Did you see Spirits Within? Fully 3D, Realisitc, Drama, had the entire Final Fantasy name plastered on it. It flopped. Why? Not because the story sucked, but because people have trouble dealing with 3D characters in a realistic setting when not put together with other real characters.

Who knows WHY a movie flops, really. Producers blame it on other things so that they don't take a fall. "Oh, there is just no interest in that franchise", "Oh, no one is going to see serious CGI flicks." It's all beurocratic garbage.

ScytheRexx
08-07-2007, 09:19 AM
Who knows WHY a movie flops, really. Producers blame it on other things so that they don't take a fall. "Oh, there is just no interest in that franchise", "Oh, no one is going to see serious CGI flicks." It's all beurocratic garbage.

Don't talk if you don't understand the psychology of it.

I would love a CG WarCraft as much as the next WarCraft fan, but its much more then "beurocratic garbage".

Aldrius
08-07-2007, 09:35 AM
Don't talk if you don't understand the psychology of it.

What are you talking about? That's what film-makers do... they avoid risks using techniques such as 'blaming the brand'. All of pop-film is about avoiding risks and following trends.


I would love a CG WarCraft as much as the next WarCraft fan, but its much more then "beurocratic garbage".

Didn't say it was for WarCraft, I meant for most CGI movies in general. Disney is a family company obviously so Pixar wants to keep under that banner... but still.

Drirlake
08-07-2007, 10:38 AM
You People actually have hopes for this movie?

Regardless of whatever studio is picking it up, how do you think they will tell this story? With Sean Connery being the King of Stormwind and Kiera Knightley being Tyrande? It will just suck, that's it.

They put the emphasis on Legendary Pictures so that people will get suckered into watching it for some quick cash. I mean like seriously, what kind've story can they tell? The games were RTS which basically gave you a bird's eye view of battles and a story that operated loosely within in it, and the MMO has a story that is about as exciting as the pun comics wrapped up in Double Bubble packages.

Kerrah
08-07-2007, 10:43 AM
You People actually have hopes for this movie?

Regardless of whatever studio is picking it up, how do you think they will tell this story? With Sean Connery being the King of Stormwind and Kiera Knightley being Tyrande? It will just suck, that's it.

They put the emphasis on Legendary Pictures so that people will get suckered into watching it for some quick cash. I mean like seriously, what kind've story can they tell? The games were RTS which basically gave you a bird's eye view of battles and a story that operated loosely within in it, and the MMO has a story that is about as exciting as the pun comics wrapped up in Double Bubble packages.

I would tell you to have some faith but I just realised I can not harbour any faith about anything related to Blizzard anymore.

ANGER!

Kenzuki
08-07-2007, 12:41 PM
Everytime I think of this movie, Super Mario Bros comes to mind....

Drirlake
08-07-2007, 02:09 PM
Everytime I think of this movie, Dungeon and Dragons comes to mind....

Fix't.

Kenzuki
08-07-2007, 02:11 PM
Fix't.

No, Super Mario Bros comes to mind. It's the worst case scenario.....

ScytheRexx
08-07-2007, 04:01 PM
What are you talking about? That's what film-makers do... they avoid risks using techniques such as 'blaming the brand'. All of pop-film is about avoiding risks and following trends.

We do what we do not to just get our name out, but to also make money doing it what we love. If we make a movie that through research and trends will most likely flop, then good luck getting investors the next time you go out looking for more work.

Oh, and thanks for insulting me, asshole, you know nothing of what or why we may do stuff, because unless you work in hollywood, you know jack.

Aldrius
08-07-2007, 04:34 PM
Oh, and thanks for insulting me, asshole, you know nothing of what or why we may do stuff, because unless you work in hollywood, you know jack.

When did I insult you? Do you deny that following trends and avoiding risks is a part of film? Because you don't seem to be. Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

I just think it's a bad thing that directors and film-producers are forced into following trends and clinging to ideas to make money. That's not art. That's business.

ScytheRexx
08-07-2007, 04:48 PM
When did I insult you? Do you deny that following trends and avoiding risks is a part of film? Because you don't seem to be. Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

I just think it's a bad thing that directors and film-producers are forced into following trends and clinging to ideas to make money. That's not art. That's business.

Its not about just avoiding risk, its a balancing act between what we want to make and what sells. Its stupid to say that we avoid risk, we just balance our risk, but don't think for a minute we would risk "everything" in order to have something exactly how we want it and 99% of the world does not want.

Sorry I have had a bad day.

Aldrius
08-07-2007, 05:12 PM
Sorry I have had a bad day.

Thanks. I felt pretty bad. ^^()


Its not about just avoiding risk, its a balancing act between what we want to make and what sells. Its stupid to say that we avoid risk, we just balance our risk, but don't think for a minute we would risk "everything" in order to have something exactly how we want it and 99% of the world does not want.

True, but there are a significant group of people who DO want more serious CGI movies. And a hot brand like WarCraft would be a really good jumping point for that. A warcraft movie is going to make money as long as it is tolerable to watch no matter what... so I don't see why they'd not play to their strengths.