Some idea of fanfic

[Slowpokeking]

Crossover of SW and LotR, mostly focus on Dooku and Galadriel.

Time: 21 BBY in SW, around the end of Fellowship of the Ring in LotR.

Dooku wanted to use Middle Earth's magic to make himself return to his youth and even achieve immorality and grow more powerful to overthrow his master, so did Sidious.

But the difference is Dooku does not want to enslave the whole Middle Earth and drain their life force to empower himself. He wants to let Galadriel know that his master, Darth Sidious was trying to conquer Middle Earth and use its magic to help him achieve immortality, along with drain the life force from the elves. Dooku will try to help the elves when Sidious sent a few troops to harass them, let Galadriel form an ally with him and thus corrupt her. Let her learn that her old reign was not able to protect her people, just like the republic. They need to establish a new order. He wants to make Galadriel the ruler of Middle Earth, and share part of his power in the galaxy. But also make sure he gives the command, at least in the galaxy. As for Middle Earth, as long as Galadriel does not go against him, she could do whatever she wanted.


Galadriel knows he's no good since he looks very alike to Saruman, and his power is dark.

However, she also knows that he is better than Sidious, ally with him will make her get closer to darkness, but if she doesn't ally with him, her people will suffer for all eternity after Sidious conquer them. So it's not a choice between good and evil, it's a choice of "let her people suffer for all eternity to empower a greater evil" or "ally with a lesser evil to counter a greater one, then get rid of him if possible, it will corrupt her own soul", a choice between her people or her own soul. She makes an ally with Dooku but never really trust, always want to get rid of him, however this require power and let her move to a darker path.

I also plan to let Celeborn "die" in the battlefield first, make Galadriel closer to the Dark Side. Then let Sidious corrupt the dying Celeborn by his manipulation and Force power, thus force Galadriel to kill her lover. It will move her closer to the darkness.

Also there is one thing of Galadriel's persona that I am not sure.

Yes she is wise and smart, but in her conflict with the Sith Lords, will she put her pride down, lower her stance to achieve her goal? Such as pretend to be sweet to Dooku to get stuff from him, pretend to be weak to lower her opponent's guard, and play dirty tricks against her enemies? Sidious, we all know him. Dooku, he could be very merciless against his enemy but not willing to betray his friends and play too dirty sometimes.

[Porimlys]

Hmmm....

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/5/53/054Psyduck.png/200px-054Psyduck.png

[SmokeBlader]

Stop doing crossovers !

What if I wrote a fan fic, about Space Marines from 40K landing on whatever the Lotr planet is called ? It just doesn't work.

[Lon-ami]

Stop doing crossovers !

What if I wrote a fan fic, about Space Marines from 40K landing on whatever the Lotr planet is called ? It just doesn't work.

Arda, you goddamn ignorant! :sweatdrop

[Sonneillon]

It Burns Us!

[Slowpokeking]

Stop doing crossovers !

What if I wrote a fan fic, about Space Marines from 40K landing on whatever the Lotr planet is called ? It just doesn't work.

If you can manage the setting well, why not.

[Cantus]

So I've got a lot of tools laying around and I need to decide how to kill myself before I read another Slow fanfic...but I just can't choose. Hammer to the head? Circular saw to the limbs? Screwdriver to the lung? Huff paint? Dremmel out my skull, drop some spices in and apply a blowtorch (because if I'm going to go out, why not with a bang)? So many choices, so little time.

[Lon-ami]

So I've got a lot of tools laying around and I need to decide how to kill myself before I read another Slow fanfic...but I just can't choose. Hammer to the head? Circular saw to the limbs? Screwdriver to the lung? Huff paint? Dremmel out my skull, drop some spices in and apply a blowtorch (because if I'm going to go out, why not with a bang)? So many choices, so little time.

Try, I don't know, not reading it?

:raisedbro

[handclaw]

Try, I don't know, not reading it?

:raisedbro

It's like a car accident: you can't look away.

So I've got a lot of tools laying around and I need to decide how to kill myself before I read another Slow fanfic...but I just can't choose. Hammer to the head? Circular saw to the limbs? Screwdriver to the lung? Huff paint? Dremmel out my skull, drop some spices in and apply a blowtorch (because if I'm going to go out, why not with a bang)? So many choices, so little time.


Build a Rube Goldberg suicide machine with all of them!

[Cantus]

It's like a car accident: you can't look away.




Build a Rube Goldberg suicide machine with all of them!
Suicide booth, I like it.

[handclaw]

Suicide booth, I like it.

http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content08/suicide-booth.jpg

And that's how they came into existance

[Slowpokeking]

It's like a car accident: you can't look away.


Why? If you don't like it simply don't read it.

[handclaw]

Why? If you don't like it simply don't read it.

Don't worry, I just jest. But seriously, there are some crossovers that are simply not meant to be and are just forced. SW with LotR is one of them.

You don't make a SW/LotR crossover because they mesh well, but because you want to make a SW/LotR crossover for the sake of making a SW/LotR crossover.

[Cantus]

Why? If you don't like it simply don't read it.Because someone in this world has to be honest with you about your writing. Shit, I throw my own stuff up against Omacron because I know he's not going to softball me with "oh that's nice, good job, keep up the good work." Either you get through the gauntlet with a decent product or you throw it out and try again.

[Slowpokeking]

Don't worry, I just jest. But seriously, there are some crossovers that are simply not meant to be and are just forced. SW with LotR is one of them.

You don't make a SW/LotR crossover because they mesh well, but because you want to make a SW/LotR crossover for the sake of making a SW/LotR crossover.

I know it's very hard to manage their setting well. Future technology+the Force VS mostly medieval level+low level magic, a galaxy VS like one planet is really out balanced unless something like Eru decide to interfere.

However characters' interaction can be cool, especially powerplay and corruption. So I will give it a shoot, some people(mostly SW fans) said the first few chapters are interesting, so I will continue. It's not hurting anyone overall.

[SmokeBlader]

some people(mostly SW fans) said the first few chapters are interesting, so I will continue. It's not hurting anyone overall.

Link please.

[Cantus]

I know it's very hard to manage their setting well. Future technology+the Force VS mostly medieval level+low level magic, a galaxy VS like one planet is really out balanced unless something like Eru decide to interfere.

However characters' interaction can be cool, especially powerplay and corruption. So I will give it a shoot, some people(mostly SW fans) said the first few chapters are interesting, so I will continue. It's not hurting anyone overall.Let me put it you gently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_superweapons

[handclaw]

Let me put it you gently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_superweapons

"But they got magic!" in 3... 2... 1...

[Cantus]

"But they got magic!" in 3... 2... 1...96kwILL35ig

[Slowpokeking]

Because someone in this world has to be honest with you about your writing. Shit, I throw my own stuff up against Omacron because I know he's not going to softball me with "oh that's nice, good job, keep up the good work." Either you get through the gauntlet with a decent product or you throw it out and try again.

I receive different comments from people of my last 2 fanfics and the first few chapters of this one.

The Arwen one, people said the plot is pretty good and creative, but it's a little bit rushed and require more writing to build the characters, also weird to write on Liv.

The TCW one, they said the manipulation of Palpatine, the plot is very good while they don't accept Anakin have romance with other woman.

You are very good and gave lots of amazing comments in this forum and I believe you are telling what you truly feel about the story, but so did others, they got no reason to lie. I will try to improve but I don't take my works as garbage.

[Slowpokeking]

Link please.


I don't think you can understand Chinese, but here.

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1658344583

Let me put it you gently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_superweapons

Yes I know, most of them are KJA's creation. However in the time of 21 BBY none of them were there, also most of the SW troops were fighting the clone wars

It's not a SW VS LotR war, it's about SW's character try to use LotR world's knowledge the magic to empower themselves, along with LotR character try to avoid their fate by walk into darkness to seek power.

[Mark_Romaneck]

Ive got a better idea

Writte a fan fiction of a simple yet elaborate plan

Make
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[Slowpokeking]

I am thinking about let Durge play a big role in Dooku's plan, he didn't show up in TCW and his ability is interesting.

[Sonneillon]

I am thinking about let Durge play a big role in Dooku's plan, he didn't show up in TCW and his ability is interesting.

Hows about you think about finding a StarWars forum instead?

Merry fucking Christmas (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Star+Wars+Forum)

[Slowpokeking]

It's allowed to post and discuss non WC fanfic here.

[Anasterian]

Or is it?

And even if it is... why subject us to these horrific plot lines and ridiculous crossovers!? They don't work, come off as downright weird and it probably doesn't help that they don't translate all too well half the time.

[Slowpokeking]

Or is it?

And even if it is... why subject us to these horrific plot lines and ridiculous crossovers!? They don't work, come off as downright weird and it probably doesn't help that they don't translate all too well half the time.

I asked before I post them.

If you don't like it, don't read it that's all.

[Sonneillon]

I asked before I post them.

If you don't like it, don't read it that's all.

Why not post where someone might read it instead of throwing it into a group of people who don't give a shit and think your are wasting your/our time. Seriously Slow, just stop.

Here, try this one. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=liv+tyler+fan+forum)

Just because they haven't made a "Slow cannot post fanfiction" rule does not mean you shouldn't get more than countless hints from pretty much everyone here.

[Slowpokeking]

Why not post where someone might read it instead of throwing it into a group of people who don't give a shit and think your are wasting your/our time. Seriously Slow, just stop.

Here, try this one. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=liv+tyler+fan+forum)

I did post it elsewhere.

If you think it's wasting your time, don't go into the thread and read it, isn't it simple? Or are you saying that you cannot resist it?

[Sonneillon]

I did post it elsewhere.

If you think it's wasting your time, don't go into the thread and read it, isn't it simple? Or are you saying that you cannot resist it?

I just want you to stop embarrassing yourself and other members of the community. Is that so much to ask Slow...

[Slowpokeking]

I just want you to stop embarrassing yourself and other members of the community. Is that so much to ask Slow...

Again, if you think it's bad, don't waste time on it. You won't feel embarrassing if you just walk away. Right now 12 of your 18 posts in the fanfic forum are in my threads.:rolleyes:

Think these are garbage is your right, but post my works here is also my right.

[Cantus]

Again, if you think it's bad, don't waste time on it. You won't feel embarrassing if you just walk away. Right now 12 of your 18 posts in the fanfic forum are in my threads.:rolleyes:

Think these are garbage is your right, but post my works here is also my right.By posting them here you give us the right to critique them. That's the point of posting a story, for someone else to read it and thereafter give their opinion.

Furthermore, you have to notice how up until now most people don't post in the fanfic section unless they're making a story or commenting positively on others. Yours are literally the only ones we feel are subpar, and it's because you refuse to learn how to write. Your english needs work, your plots are all insanely bad, and you keep fixating on shoving women into creepy situations. These are all symptoms of fanwanking your way through things, instead of actually sitting down and learning some basics. So stop while you've already screwed yourself enough and learn how before you just dive in.

[Slowpokeking]

By posting them here you give us the right to critique them. That's the point of posting a story, for someone else to read it and thereafter give their opinion.

Furthermore, you have to notice how up until now most people don't post in the fanfic section unless they're making a story or commenting positively on others. Yours are literally the only ones we feel are subpar, and it's because you refuse to learn how to write. Your english needs work, your plots are all insanely bad, and you keep fixating on shoving women into creepy situations. These are all symptoms of fanwanking your way through things, instead of actually sitting down and learning some basics. So stop while you've already screwed yourself enough and learn how before you just dive in.

Sure, I never said "You have no right to judge it" right? I also have my right to explain for myself.

Why is the plot bad? Simply because of crossover? The TCW ones does not have any crossover at all.

Let's say, my TCW fanfic, which part of the plot make it bad and fanwanking? How is Satine's situation creepy? And for this one, why is Galadriel's situation creepy? A choice between her people and her own soul is creepy? I must let the female character stay safe the whole time, and NO romance allowed then the story won't be creepy?

Also from many other people's response, they all said the plot is pretty good.

Someone of this form also said.

The various manipulations and power plays was sort of interesting.

[Sonneillon]

Sure, I never said "You have no right to judge it" right? I also have my right to explain for myself.

Why is the plot bad? Simply because of crossover? The TCW ones does not have any crossover at all.

Let's say, my TCW fanfic, which part of the plot make it bad and fanwanking? How is Satine's situation creepy? And for this one, why is Galadriel's situation creepy? A choice between her people and her own soul is creepy? I must let the female character stay safe the whole time, and romance allowed then the story won't be creepy?

Also from many other people's response, they all said the plot is pretty good.

Someone of this form also said.

Both our points are that you have a right to also not be a sad ass dense douche taco 3000, which you seem to ignore

[SmokeBlader]

Slow

Women are destined to be damsels in distress. A strong woman is a sign of bad writing.

[Sonneillon]

Slow

Women are destined to be damsels in distress. A strong woman is a sign of bad writing.

You sir are worse than Hitler... you are Shitler.

[SmokeBlader]

You sir are worse than Hitler... you are Shitler.

xoMgnJDXd3k

[Slowpokeking]

Both our points are that you have a right to also not be a sad ass dense douche taco 3000, which you seem to ignore

If you think it's really bad, ignore it or say whatever. If you think improvement required welcome to advice. Like you have yours, post my fanfic here is my right and it does not hurt anybody unless people cannot control yourself from entering my thread when they hate it.

And I have the right to explain, like Cantus criticized me about I cannot handle around 100 characters. But very few(maybe none) of the fanfic here got around 100 characters and I believe very few individuals here can handle 100 characters well in a story.

[Porimlys]

You sir are worse than Hitler... you are Shitler.

There's some shit band in Portland that throws it's posters all over one of the hip streets (which tend to have delicious food :3).

Anyway the name of the band is Gaydolf Shitler

[Slowpokeking]

I'm not sure it shall be movie or novel based for LotR, the novel got explanation for most of the stuff, but many the characters got no fighting feats.

[Garotar]

I'm just going to post my reaction to this concept when I first read it.

http://i.imgur.com/DabBC.gif

[Slowpokeking]

I'm just going to post my reaction to this concept when I first read it.

http://i.imgur.com/DabBC.gif

I know it's really difficult to control the plot since both sides already got war and conflicts going on, so gonna spend some time to do research and think about it.

[Sonneillon]

I know it's really difficult to control the plot since both sides already got war and conflicts going on, so gonna spend some time to do research and think about it.

Else where with you! Your time upon us is done!

[Cantus]

If you think it's really bad, ignore it or say whatever. If you think improvement required welcome to advice. Like you have yours, post my fanfic here is my right and it does not hurt anybody unless people cannot control yourself from entering my thread when they hate it.

And I have the right to explain, like Cantus criticized me about I cannot handle around 100 characters. But very few(maybe none) of the fanfic here got around 100 characters and I believe very few individuals here can handle 100 characters well in a story.No one handles 100 characters. They kill people off when there are 100 characters because you literally can't produce anything useful plot wise when everyone needs their 15 minutes of fame. Tolkien's works are considered incredibly dense, to the point it turns many readers away from the series, but because he was a good writer you could actually manage it. You on the other hand can't handle 10 characters properly yet, much less 100.

Further, your treatment of women is staggeringly creepy because you throw them into situations that are staggeringly creepy. You basically force them to stand underneath the villain, which means you're putting them into subordinate roles that involve the villain dominating them until they (Lifetime channel style) lash out against them. You're not empowering them, you're making them reactionary animals. You literally don't have a clue what you're doing creating any characters, much less navigating the stereotype mill of women in fiction.

You were in over your head before, and now you're just drowning yourself. Step back and learn or all you'll ever produce is fanwank.

[Erthad]

I just don't like the idea of LotR vs SW, at all.

[Slowpokeking]

No one handles 100 characters. They kill people off when there are 100 characters because you literally can't produce anything useful plot wise when everyone needs their 15 minutes of fame. Tolkien's works are considered incredibly dense, to the point it turns many readers away from the series, but because he was a good writer you could actually manage it. You on the other hand can't handle 10 characters properly yet, much less 100.

Further, your treatment of women is staggeringly creepy because you throw them into situations that are staggeringly creepy. You basically force them to stand underneath the villain, which means you're putting them into subordinate roles that involve the villain dominating them until they (Lifetime channel style) lash out against them. You're not empowering them, you're making them reactionary animals. You literally don't have a clue what you're doing creating any characters, much less navigating the stereotype mill of women in fiction.

You were in over your head before, and now you're just drowning yourself. Step back and learn or all you'll ever produce is fanwank.

Yes, so how many characters do I handle is not a way to judge is the story good or bad.

BTW I've seen some writers able to handle 300-400 characters, and it's one of the greatest literature works in the history.

Many stories I've read put the protagonist under the villain's manipulation or even control until they turn against them. It's not "the author force them to do so", I gave the logical reason. It's always easy to die, but hard to join the powerplay, pretend to be weak and fight back in the right time. It's fair to call that a strong character.

Yes I like to make character grey, let characters make choice between bad and worse, not just good and evil and make the villain smart. So villain's manipulation is always needed, and of course usually it's targeting the protagonist.


LotR is great, probably the greatest piece of fantasy because the quality of the writing and the great world/history Tolkien built. However it does have flaw, it's too "black and white", some of the characters are a bit stereotyped especially from modern reader's eyes. So it's fun to put some of the characters with potential into this kind of situation to make them struggle in the darkness. Also I like the portrayal of SW's villains a lot, powerful, manipulative but never stop betraying and backstabbing each other and thus almost always fail. That's why I got this idea.

And when did I put Satine under any villain? Simply accept Mother Talzin's "help" for once is stay underneath her? If you mean the protagonist should be more powerful than the villain from the beginning, then meh.

[Cantus]

Yes, so how many characters do I handle is not a way to judge is the story good or bad.

BTW I've seen some writers able to handle 300-400 characters, and it's one of the greatest literature works in the history.

Many stories I've read put the protagonist under the villain's manipulation or even control until they turn against them. It's not "the author force them to do so", I gave the logical reason. It's always easy to die, but hard to join the powerplay, pretend to be weak and fight back in the right time. It's fair to call that a strong character.

Yes I like to make character grey, let characters make choice between bad and worse, not just good and evil and make the villain smart. So villain's manipulation is always needed, and of course usually it's targeting the protagonist.


LotR is great, probably the greatest piece of fantasy because the quality of the writing and the great world/history Tolkien built. However it does have flaw, it's too "black and white", some of the characters are a bit stereotyped especially from modern reader's eyes. So it's fun to put some of the characters with potential into this kind of situation to make them struggle in the darkness. Also I like the portrayal of SW's villains a lot, powerful, manipulative but never stop betraying and backstabbing each other and thus almost always fail. That's why I got this idea.

And when did I put Satine under any villain? Simply accept Mother Talzin's "help" for once is stay underneath her? If you mean the protagonist should be more powerful than the villain from the beginning, then meh.I want you to do something for me. Go to your local library and pick up a book by Steinbeck. Any of his works will do, but I'd go for the most well known (they're classics for a reason).

Read through that, get the idea of the cast, how the plot forms and dissolves, etc. Read that one book multiple times. Then start contrasting your work with Steinbeck. It's insane to compare yourself to him, because he's working in a native language as a master of the craft and you're well...you, but do it anyway. Once you're absolutely familiar with the book and it's ins and outs, write up a paper about it, specifically critiquing your work against his. I want you to be as critical of yourself as possible, because the key here is to learn where and why you're writing is screwing up.

Once you've done that, and honestly know where your faults lay, then go back and start writing simple stories. Small works, short stories 20-30 pages tops. I want you to write at least 10 of them, and put them up for critique where people can show you where you're going wrong. Then, once you have a handle on the simple stuff, then you can graduate to a larger cast (still less than 100). Going over that 100 mark is not something you should be diving into because you're just not ready for it. Build up, then take the plunge.

I ask this because it's clear that you're getting way too much stupid encouragement from people who have literally no idea what they're talking about. They want to make you feel like a special snowflake. The problem is you're not, none of us are, which means you need to step up your game to make yourself good. Just accepting praise isn't good enough, you need to challenge yourself to do better. Quality over quantity.

[BaronGrackle]

I want you to do something for me. Go to your local library and pick up a book by Steinbeck. Any of his works will do, but I'd go for the most well known (they're classics for a reason).

Read through that, get the idea of the cast, how the plot forms and dissolves, etc. Read that one book multiple times. Then start contrasting your work with Steinbeck. It's insane to compare yourself to him, because he's working in a native language as a master of the craft and you're well...you, but do it anyway. Once you're absolutely familiar with the book and it's ins and outs, write up a paper about it, specifically critiquing your work against his. I want you to be as critical of yourself as possible, because the key here is to learn where and why you're writing is screwing up.

Once you've done that, and honestly know where your faults lay, then go back and start writing simple stories. Small works, short stories 20-30 pages tops. I want you to write at least 10 of them, and put them up for critique where people can show you where you're going wrong. Then, once you have a handle on the simple stuff, then you can graduate to a larger cast (still less than 100). Going over that 100 mark is not something you should be diving into because you're just not ready for it. Build up, then take the plunge.

I ask this because it's clear that you're getting way too much stupid encouragement from people who have literally no idea what they're talking about. They want to make you feel like a special snowflake. The problem is you're not, none of us are, which means you need to step up your game to make yourself good. Just accepting praise isn't good enough, you need to challenge yourself to do better. Quality over quantity.

That's a lot of work. If you decide to do it, go with The Pearl. It's short. :P

(Plus my wife still has boredom-nightmares from having to read The Grapes of Wrath. A part of her dies whenever that book is mentioned. Though she loved Of Mice and Men.)

[Cantus]

That's a lot of work. If you decide to do it, go with The Pearl. It's short. :P

(Plus my wife still has boredom-nightmares from having to read The Grapes of Wrath. A part of her dies whenever that book is mentioned. Though she loved Of Mice and Men.)If he wants to be a writer, he needs to do the work. If he's going to do it here, he's going to learn the SoL way. Ain't no one gets to be bitchmade the SoL way.

[Slowpokeking]

I want you to do something for me. Go to your local library and pick up a book by Steinbeck. Any of his works will do, but I'd go for the most well known (they're classics for a reason).

Read through that, get the idea of the cast, how the plot forms and dissolves, etc. Read that one book multiple times. Then start contrasting your work with Steinbeck. It's insane to compare yourself to him, because he's working in a native language as a master of the craft and you're well...you, but do it anyway. Once you're absolutely familiar with the book and it's ins and outs, write up a paper about it, specifically critiquing your work against his. I want you to be as critical of yourself as possible, because the key here is to learn where and why you're writing is screwing up.

Once you've done that, and honestly know where your faults lay, then go back and start writing simple stories. Small works, short stories 20-30 pages tops. I want you to write at least 10 of them, and put them up for critique where people can show you where you're going wrong. Then, once you have a handle on the simple stuff, then you can graduate to a larger cast (still less than 100). Going over that 100 mark is not something you should be diving into because you're just not ready for it. Build up, then take the plunge.

I ask this because it's clear that you're getting way too much stupid encouragement from people who have literally no idea what they're talking about. They want to make you feel like a special snowflake. The problem is you're not, none of us are, which means you need to step up your game to make yourself good. Just accepting praise isn't good enough, you need to challenge yourself to do better. Quality over quantity.

So you stop talk with my works flaw and good points?

I've not read Steinbeck's work, but Margaret Mitchell, Dickens, Goethe, Cervantes, Victor Hugo, Jane Austen and a few more famous writers'.
I don't think any of them is not comparable to Steinbeck.

Sure it's not even close to Stienbeck's work, but so does all the people here and not everyone has to follow his style. Also I don't have to control 100 characters in a story and can't do it unless I'm really good, enough to sell books.

I'm sorry but you have no right to judge how intelligent other people are, especially when you never interact with them. I like to improve and I'm trying, but you simply said I'm no good at everything, which many people got different ideas.

[Sarahmoo]

This all feels so awkward.

[Chef]

If he wants to be a writer, he needs to do the work. If he's going to do it here, he's going to learn the SoL way. Ain't no one gets to be bitchmade the SoL way.

See, one of the problems that Slowking has is that perhaps he's writing his fanfic in Chinese and THEN translate it into English. I know from experience that works of literature always make more sense when read in the language that they were originally written in, and that they tend to lose their deeper, hidden meanings when translated into other languages. That's why I always read LotR in English and Don Quixote in Spanish.

Slow, if you're going to post good fanfic, or anything involving writing as a matter of fact, it's crucial that you have a mastery over the language that you're writing in. That's what being a writer is all about, writers use their powerful command of language to evoke images and emotions to their readers. Certain words and metaphors have hidden meanings which are left for the reader to interpret on their own. I don't go around and write essays in French because, to the eyes of a native French speaker, my writing would be nothing more than the work of a 7-year-old.

[SmokeBlader]

This all feels so awkward.

Needs more jimmies.

[handclaw]

I'm sorry but you have no right to judge how intelligent other people are, especially when you never interact with them. I like to improve and I'm trying, but you simply said I'm no good at everything, which many people got different ideas.

I actually didn't want to involve myself in this anymore, but I have to say one thing:

it isn't about intelligence, but the ability to criticize. There are a lot of people who just say "Oh, that looks nice!" or "Oh, sounds interesting" who either ignore the problems because they don't want to hurt, or simply are unable to see them because they have no experience.

The work of mediocre artist may seem great to them, but a more experienced artist will see it as a mediocre work. And it doesn't matter if we talk about writing or drawing. Yet, it's the critism of those with more experience you need to seek! For only they can tell you how to imrpove.

I seek myself the feedback of others so I can actually get better. But oh look behold, one of my worst pictures, a wow modelviewer compilation got all attention, while real drawings for which I worked hard get no attention at all. ((side info: it has 106173 viewers))

Well... Just my 5 cents.

[Slowpokeking]

See, one of the problems that Slowking has is that perhaps he's writing his fanfic in Chinese and THEN translate it into English. I know from experience that works of literature always make more sense when read in the language that they were originally written in, and that they tend to lose their deeper, hidden meanings when translated into other languages. That's why I always read LotR in English and Don Quixote in Spanish.

Slow, if you're going to post good fanfic, or anything involving writing as a matter of fact, it's crucial that you have a mastery over the language that you're writing in. That's what being a writer is all about, writers use their powerful command of language to evoke images and emotions to their readers. Certain words and metaphors have hidden meanings which are left for the reader to interpret on their own. I don't go around and write essays in French because, to the eyes of a native French speaker, my writing would be nothing more than the work of a 7-year-old.

It's really difficult to translate 20000-30000+ words from your first language into your second. Sometimes I even have to rewrite some stuff because it's just not right in English. So I post here mostly to let people know the plot.

They said my writing is ok, plot is pretty good except they are not pleased about some Character Pairing such as Anakin&Satine. The flaw is that (mostly my first one) is a bit too rushed so the characterization is not good enough.

[SmokeBlader]

I think i should write my own fan fic, where Spartacus joins with Beatrix Kiddo in her fight against the Yakuza. Also the Yakuza are allies with the Roman Republic.

[Cantus]

See, one of the problems that Slowking has is that perhaps he's writing his fanfic in Chinese and THEN translate it into English. I know from experience that works of literature always make more sense when read in the language that they were originally written in, and that they tend to lose their deeper, hidden meanings when translated into other languages. That's why I always read LotR in English and Don Quixote in Spanish.

Slow, if you're going to post good fanfic, or anything involving writing as a matter of fact, it's crucial that you have a mastery over the language that you're writing in. That's what being a writer is all about, writers use their powerful command of language to evoke images and emotions to their readers. Certain words and metaphors have hidden meanings which are left for the reader to interpret on their own. I don't go around and write essays in French because, to the eyes of a native French speaker, my writing would be nothing more than the work of a 7-year-old.Thus why I previously mentioned language as a barrier.

So you stop talk with my works flaw and good points?

I've not read Steinbeck's work, but Margaret Mitchell, Dickens, Goethe, Cervantes, Victor Hugo, Jane Austen and a few more famous writers'.
I don't think any of them is not comparable to Steinbeck.

Sure it's not even close to Stienbeck's work, but so does all the people here and not everyone has to follow his style. Also I don't have to control 100 characters in a story and can't do it unless I'm really good, enough to sell books.

I'm sorry but you have no right to judge how intelligent other people are, especially when you never interact with them. I like to improve and I'm trying, but you simply said I'm no good at everything, which many people got different ideas.I never once mentioned your intelligence. What I said was you need to practice, which means you need to start learning how to critique yourself instead of just patting yourself on the back and saying "good enough." I used Steinbeck because he knows how to work in the large scale, but the more important point is that you're comparing your work to theirs. If you do this, you become aware of far more mistakes, and are more willing to accept the solutions to them, than if you just keep plodding along as you have been.

You are your own worst enemy. Your ego is your own worst nightmare. A good author knows when their ego is getting the better of them, and when they're being too harsh on themselves. Right now it's the former, which means you need to break out of your little social shell of a world and start learning to accept that the world doesn't love you because you tried your very best. There are three things you can do, get shit right the first time, practice to get it right, or call it good enough and waste the rest of your life whining about how no one appreciates your work.

[Slowpokeking]

I actually didn't want to involve myself in this anymore, but I have to say one thing:

it isn't about intelligence, but the ability to criticize. There are a lot of people who just say "Oh, that looks nice!" or "Oh, sounds interesting" who either ignore the problems because they don't want to hurt, or simply are unable to see them because they have no experience.

The work of mediocre artist may seem great to them, but a more experienced artist will see it as a mediocre work. And it doesn't matter if we talk about writing or drawing. Yet, it's the critism of those with more experience you need to seek! For only they can tell you how to imrpove.

I seek myself the feedback of others so I can actually get better. But oh look behold, one of my worst pictures, a wow modelviewer compilation got all attention, while real drawings for which I worked hard get no attention at all. ((side info: it has 106173 viewers))

Well... Just my 5 cents.

Well they don't say "it's good!", it's not like that.

Like my first one

"The plot is pretty good and got twists, but your writing is a bit rushed, the characterization is still not enough, it's not as good as your plot. Also I don't like the scene of Arwen VS Eowyn since it didn't make enough sense to me."

"The plot is fine, but you are trying to tell a long story by simply 40000 words, which let some of the characters a bit pale and require more work."

About my TCW fanfic

"I don't like Anakin&Satine, he should not grow feeling and betray his wife. However Palpatine's manipulation is very good, the whole story didn't change Anakin's fate but let him become more tragic. "

"It's pretty good, but I still don't like the pair of Anakin and Satine."

"You know Anakin had a tight circle of relationship around him, Obi Wan, Padme, Ashoka and Palpatine, other woman shouldn't be able to touch him, even if they die for him. Also Satine should love more mature man and she does not like heroism. Other parts are very good, I like to see Obi Wan get beaten."

It's not I dislike Cantus or thought he credit my works like that simply because he does not like me, but I have the right to explain for my works and think it's not totally garbage.

[Slowpokeking]

I never once mentioned your intelligence. What I said was you need to practice, which means you need to start learning how to critique yourself instead of just patting yourself on the back and saying "good enough." I used Steinbeck because he knows how to work in the large scale, but the more important point is that you're comparing your work to theirs. If you do this, you become aware of far more mistakes, and are more willing to accept the solutions to them, than if you just keep plodding along as you have been.

You are your own worst enemy. Your ego is your own worst nightmare. A good author knows when their ego is getting the better of them, and when they're being too harsh on themselves. Right now it's the former, which means you need to break out of your little social shell of a world and start learning to accept that the world doesn't love you because you tried your very best. There are three things you can do, get shit right the first time, practice to get it right, or call it good enough and waste the rest of your life whining about how no one appreciates your work.

Thanks for the advice, I will spend some time to look at his works. I never thought my work is good enough, every time I look at my old works I can see the problem.

However I don't think it's garbage either, it got good points, needs to make it better and improve other parts. If you can't find the flaw you won't improve, but if you can't find good points, it's sometimes even worse because all you can do is wipe out everything and try it again.

I accept criticism(also I have the right to explain), but I don't think something like "6 years old's work" is the right thing to say.

[Arashi]

This all feels so awkward.

Feels awkward to me too. Seems like this is a crowd that is very, very, hard to please.

[Mshadowz]

Feels awkward to me too. Seems like this is a crowd that is very, very, hard to please.

I found it amusing to be honest. I read through the entire thread. I wrote a Star trek/ Rambo/ Indianna Jones erotica now. Anyone want to read it?

[Slowpokeking]

I found it amusing to be honest. I read through the entire thread. I wrote a Star trek/ Rambo/ Indianna Jones erotica now. Anyone want to read it?

Why does it have to be erotica?

[Mshadowz]

Why does it have to be erotica?

A better question is, why shouldn't it be?

[Slowpokeking]

A better question is, why shouldn't it be?

Because it usually create the problem of off-character.

[Cantus]

Arwen couldn't help herself, that giant eye was just so inviting. Slowly moving closer, she bowed. "My lord, may..may I touch you?" The eye slowly turned, resting cruelly, but amused on her slender form. "Yes little thing, you may try to please the Dark Lord." With that, Arwen snuggled against the burning visage and slowly caressed his pupil, rubbing it harder and harder...

[Mshadowz]

Arwen couldn't help herself, that giant eye was just so inviting. Slowly moving closer, she bowed. "My lord, may..may I touch you?" The eye slowly turned, resting cruelly, but amused on her slender form. "Yes little thing, you may try to please the Dark Lord." With that, Arwen snuggled against the burning visage and slowly caressed his pupil, rubbing it harder and harder...

Hot!

[Cantus]

Hot!The saddest part about all this, I'm definitely not the first person to make this up, and I shudder to think what kind of maniac actually thinks of doing whole novellas of it. Other things I'd bet money on existing (because the slashfic community is just that fucked up)...

Ring Wraiths and
Eowyn
Any other female character who needs a stout shadow banging.
The Fellowship of the Cockring
Wizards Shooting "Magic Missiles" at each other.
Two Hobbits and an Ent Moot
Frodo and
Gollum
Shelob
Sam
Gandalf
Sauron
Name a character. Seriously, any character, there's a slashfic with Frodo somewhere on the net with them. Sick bastards all of you.
Why the fuck are you still reading this? Do you really get off on Gandalf waving his staff at a Balrog?
Now all you can think of is burning pubes. Here, have an eye bleaching of Arwen and Eowyn.
Now to Saruman getting dirty in front of a palantir.
Back to Arwen and Galadriel.
Now you can't decide if you're turned on or about to lobotomize yourself...don't worry, I haven't even mentioned Bjorn yet.

[Jungleluke]

The saddest part about all this, I'm definitely not the first person to make this up, and I shudder to think what kind of maniac actually thinks of doing whole novellas of it. Other things I'd bet money on existing (because the slashfic community is just that fucked up)...

Ring Wraiths and
Eowyn
Any other female character who needs a stout shadow banging.
The Fellowship of the Cockring
Wizards Shooting "Magic Missiles" at each other.
Two Hobbits and an Ent Moot
Frodo and
Gollum
Shelob
Sam
Gandalf
Sauron
Name a character. Seriously, any character, there's a slashfic with Frodo somewhere on the net with them. Sick bastards all of you.
Why the fuck are you still reading this? Do you really get off on Gandalf waving his staff at a Balrog?
Now all you can think of is burning pubes. Here, have an eye bleaching of Arwen and Eowyn.
Now to Saruman getting dirty in front of a palantir.
Back to Arwen and Galadriel.
Now you can't decide if you're turned on or about to lobotomize yourself...don't worry, I haven't even mentioned Bjorn yet.

Does that really exists? Damn, people are crazy these days...

[Mshadowz]

Does that really exists? Damn, people are crazy these days...

Welcome to the internet. I don't doubt that all of that and more exist somewhere. (Not that I'd write that shit.... ;))

[Cantus]

Does that really exists? Damn, people are crazy these days...I said I'd bet money, doesn't mean I'd win. Are you willing to spin the roulette wheel of the internet to find out if the bet's any good?

[Jungleluke]

I said I'd bet money, doesn't mean I'd win. Are you willing to spin the roulette wheel of the internet to find out if the bet's any good?

I googled some of the 'things' and I regret it already........

[Cantus]

I googled some of the 'things' and I regret it already........7edeOEuXdMU

[BaronGrackle]

I have spent considerable time amidst Kingdom Hearts and Sonic the Hedgehog fanfictions.

That is all I have to say about that.

[Slowpokeking]

Yes, you can find almost everything in LotR fanfic, all the weird ideas. SW fanfic are much better.

[Cantus]

Yes, you can find almost everything in LotR fanfic, all the weird ideas. SW fanfic are much better.Dude, we do not need to know about your Leia/Chewie slashfiction fetish.

[Slowpokeking]

Dude, we do not need to know about your Leia/Chewie slashfiction fetish.

Why would I do that? I don't like any of the SW females except Satine and my own characters in TOR.

[Mshadowz]

Why would I do that? I don't like any of the SW females except Satine and my own characters in TOR.

Satine and your TOR characters eh? Send us THAT story :glare:

[SmokeBlader]

Satine and your TOR characters eh? Send us THAT story :glare:

Nerd mode on : Umm technically the characters can't be in the same story since, ToR takes place like 3000-4000 years before Clone Wars.

[handclaw]

Nerd mode on : Umm technically the characters can't be in the same story since, ToR takes place like 3000-4000 years before Clone Wars.

Well, it doesn't stop him from wanting to make a LotR/SW story, sooo... Why should he be stopped by that? ;P

[Slowpokeking]

I did write the fanfic of Satine, maybe I will mention a little bit of Darth Nox in this one since some ghost bind skills is required for the story.

[BaronGrackle]

Why would I do that? I don't like any of the SW females except Satine and my own characters in TOR.

:glare:

You don't like... but... but Leia Organa-Solo.... Mon Mothma... Mara Jade Skywalker..... Jaina Solo.... are you counting Guri? You don't like Jan Ors? Kyle Katarn will put a kriffing Bryar Pistol to your face, if he finds out you don't like Jan Ors. And in the Old Republic universe itself, you have others to draw from... Kreia, for Force's sake! The most devious villainess of them all! I'd butcher scores of Mandalorians just to have Kreia around, and I HAVE! :glare:

But anyway, doesn't your signature prominently contain a female monarch of Naboo, from the Clone Wars time period?


EDIT: Oh, that's Satine, isn't it? Pfff, Mandalorian vermin.

[Slowpokeking]

:glare:

You don't like... but... but Leia Organa-Solo.... Mon Mothma... Mara Jade Skywalker..... Jaina Solo.... are you counting Guri? You don't like Jan Ors? Kyle Katarn will put a kriffing Bryar Pistol to your face, if he finds out you don't like Jan Ors. And in the Old Republic universe itself, you have others to draw from... Kreia, for Force's sake! The most devious villainess of them all! I'd butcher scores of Mandalorians just to have Kreia around, and I HAVE! :glare:

But anyway, doesn't your signature prominently contain a female monarch of Naboo, from the Clone Wars time period?


EDIT: Oh, that's Satine, isn't it? Pfff, Mandalorian vermin.

No, I don't like any of them. Not saying they are bad characters, just got no interest on them. Especially female Jedi and Sith, they both went too extreme. Mara Jade is ok until she married Luke.

Guri is just a robot, and no.

[BaronGrackle]

just a robot

"Imagine what it would be like as a child if you were punished by being dragged to a dark closet, having a probe inserted in your brain, and having all your memories back to infancy wiped away. You'd awaken knowing how to eat, care for yourself, do your chores, and obey—and all the things that made you unique, your hopes, your meticulously selected default values and preference sets, would be gone forever. That is what it is to be a droid."

[Slowpokeking]

"Imagine what it would be like as a child if you were punished by being dragged to a dark closet, having a probe inserted in your brain, and having all your memories back to infancy wiped away. You'd awaken knowing how to eat, care for yourself, do your chores, and obey—and all the things that made you unique, your hopes, your meticulously selected default values and preference sets, would be gone forever. That is what it is to be a droid."

I understand that, my sniper once suffered similar problem and got a super crazy droid companion.

[Mshadowz]

No, I don't like any of them. Not saying they are bad characters, just got no interest on them. Especially female Jedi and Sith, they both went too extreme. Mara Jade is ok until she married Luke.

Guri is just a robot, and no.

I like padme simply because she is Natalie Portman. Thats pretty much all I know about the clone wars.

[Slowpokeking]

I like padme simply because she is Natalie Portman. Thats pretty much all I know about the clone wars.

I dislike her partly because of that.

[BaronGrackle]

I dislike her partly because of that.

I concur.

[Slowpokeking]

Right now I'm writing about Durge smashing a bunch of Uruk-Hai, his ability is really crazy. Also really hard to write how Galadriel fights, especially against SW individuals. All I know is she got some powerful defensive spells, sometimes she can cast a devastating aoe type spell.

[Mshadowz]

Imagine a wow/SW crossover..... just imagine.... oh God what have I done?!

[Slowpokeking]

Imagine a wow/SW crossover..... just imagine.... oh God what have I done?!

No.

[Garotar]

Imagine a wow/SW crossover..... just imagine.... oh God what have I done?!

I think it'd work better than Lord of the Rings.

[Slowpokeking]

I think it'd work better than Lord of the Rings.

The power level, yes. But I'm not interested in the story of WOW anymore and I don't want to create original characters.

[Porimlys]

I'm gonna write a DBZ/LoTR fic I think.

It'll be starring SPK too.

[Slowpokeking]

I'm gonna write a DBZ/LoTR fic I think.

It'll be starring SPK too.

What role will I play?

[Porimlys]

What role will I play?

The child of Goku and Galadriel, obviously.

[Slowpokeking]

The child of Goku and Galadriel, obviously.

:glare:

I don't like Galadriel.

[Royalpimp]

The child of Goku and Galadriel, obviously.

Are you trying to say something about Goku? BITCH I CUT YOU!

[Porimlys]

A super saiyan Gimli driven mad by powers unknown stole the semen of Goku to impregnate Galadriel to create a child powerful enough to help find the Dragonballs so they can wish The One Ring back into existence and rule over Namek. But the child, SPK, has ulterior motives. With shenron he plans to wish for an army of Liv Tylers to sweep across the world causing untold havoc and destruction.

It will be called:

"The Balls To Find The Balls: An Unexpected Journey."

I expect to win many awards for this piece of literary genius.

[Slowpokeking]

It makes no sense, why would a super saiyan need the dragonball to rule planet like Namek?

And I don't like Galadriel.

[Porimlys]

It makes no sense

Or maybe, just maybe, it makes all the sense?

Meditate on this.

[Slowpokeking]

So I'm writing about Dooku training Galadriel. He decided to work with her and change the Sith' way together since he thought some part is too dark.

I don't think he's a good teacher overall, except Qui Gon is a success, his other students were all failure and went against him.

[BaronGrackle]

So I'm writing about Dooku training Galadriel. He decided to work with her and change the Sith' way together since he thought some part is too dark.

:raisedbro Well, I've heard of changing the Sith way because parts of it were too stupid (e.g. the Rule of Two), but I've never really heard of changing the way because it's too "dark". Unless you count Kreia, but I see her more as Sith in-name-only.

Most of those types would be considered Gray Jedi (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi). These are the ones who believe there's a place for the Light Side and the Dark Side of the Force, together. If you don't think the power of the Dark Side is all-powerful or beneficial to you, then it's strange to choose the Sith in the first place.

[Slowpokeking]

:raisedbro Well, I've heard of changing the Sith way because parts of it were too stupid (e.g. the Rule of Two), but I've never really heard of changing the way because it's too "dark". Unless you count Kreia, but I see her more as Sith in-name-only.

Most of those types would be considered Gray Jedi (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi). These are the ones who believe there's a place for the Light Side and the Dark Side of the Force, together. If you don't think the power of the Dark Side is all-powerful or beneficial to you, then it's strange to choose the Sith in the first place.

Well Dooku mainly thought the Sith's desire of power always cause them to betray their own ally and that's why they always fail. He wanted to control the desire and form a strong ally with his partner.

Darth Plagueis also tried the same thing, of course he failed.

[BaronGrackle]

Well Dooku mainly thought the Sith's desire of power always cause them to betray their own ally and that's why they always fail. He wanted to control the desire and form a strong ally with his partner.

Darth Plagueis also tried the same thing, of course he failed.

Okay, that makes more sense than what I thought you were saying. :)

[Slowpokeking]

Okay, that makes more sense than what I thought you were saying. :)

Yeah, Dooku didn't fall to the Dark Side because of strong desire or some emotion, he mainly thought the old Jedi way is not working and the republic is crap, a new order must be created. That's why I thought he would work with Galadriel rather than someone darker and more powerful.

[Slowpokeking]

Translated part of it.

Dooku began the Jedi training when he was four, and left to become a Sith, more than sixty years later.

Neither side taught him a bit about love.

He believed that perhaps he did not truly know love.

The Sith and the Jedi were no different, they were never taught how to love, always put their discipline on the top. Many of them claimed that they found love, which in truth was just the lust, the desire that was part of all being’s nature. No matter how hard did the Jedi try to suppress it, they could never extinguish its spark, many Jedi even fall into the dark side because of the ignition of their lust. While the Sith, although they could express and enjoy, but often had to end it up with blood in order to prevent themselves from becoming softer and weaker.

He wanted to let this woman know that their goal is similar, just like Sidious did to him. Beside it, all that’s left was his lust of her beauty and elegance.

He was also clear that this woman will never love him, never, ever.

However, he already got what he wanted, there was no need be too greedy.

This was a heritage, an exchange between lust and power, without the slightest real love in it.

It is also the perfect interpretation of the way of the Sith.

[Cantus]

We really need to get you writing about something that doesn't involve women. Every single thing you've worked on ends up at the exact same cross roads of creepy old man trying to domineer magically powerful woman.

[Slowpokeking]

We really need to get you writing about something that doesn't involve women. Every single thing you've worked on ends up at the exact same cross roads of creepy old man trying to domineer magically powerful woman.

No, the TCW one is totally different and that Arwen fanfic does not have such thing.

Also it's not domineer, just alliance.

[Cantus]

No, the TCW one is totally different and that Arwen fanfic does not have such thing.

Also it's not domineer, just alliance.Why on god's green earth would Galadriel, a known commodity of good and capable of resisting power, choose to side with Dooku? It makes zero sense. Zilch, nada, none. The only reason you chose her was because you needed a woman for Dooku to domineer in some capacity. Seriously kid, you have to admit how similar all of your stories are starting to look.

[Slowpokeking]

Why on god's green earth would Galadriel, a known commodity of good and capable of resisting power, choose to side with Dooku? It makes zero sense. Zilch, nada, none. The only reason you chose her was because you needed a woman for Dooku to domineer in some capacity. Seriously kid, you have to admit how similar all of your stories are starting to look.

Because Sidious was trying to send his troops (Mandrloaian as herald) to conquer her people and drain their life forces? If she could not find an ally her people would suffer and make Dooku her enemy at that point is not a smart move?

I don't like Galadriel, if you search my posts you can see I said it before.

[Cantus]

Because Sidious was trying to send his troops (Mandrloaian as herald) to conquer her people and drain their life forces? If she could not find an ally her people would suffer and make Dooku her enemy at that point is not a smart move?

I don't like Galadriel, if you search my posts you can see I said it before.Hold on, hold on, have you read the Silmarillion yet? Any of the extended works outside of LotR? Because if not this is just pure fanwank and you have no idea what you're doing. If so, please tell me how any of that works out given all the other forces that exist in Middle Earth?

[Slowpokeking]

Hold on, hold on, have you read the Silmarillion yet? Any of the extended works outside of LotR? Because if not this is just pure fanwank and you have no idea what you're doing. If so, please tell me how any of that works out given all the other forces that exist in Middle Earth?

The Valar and Eru don't care about Middle Earth much, so nothing in Middle Earth can stop the elite Mandrloaian troops or CIS' droid army. Also later(the vision was seen), the Galactic Empire's forces would further invade.

[BaronGrackle]

Did I just read a rape scene? :confused:

[Slowpokeking]

Did I just read a rape scene? :confused:

No, they made a deal of it.

[Cantus]

The Valar and Eru don't care about Middle Earth much, so nothing in Middle Earth can stop the elite Mandrloaian troops or CIS' droid army. Also later(the vision was seen), the Galactic Empire's forces would further invade.You need to cool your jets man. Your fiction is going way ahead of your skills. Again, small scale first. Just get used to working with characters, small situations, what a cross-over can be and where it can go wrong. Crawl, then walk, then run.

[Slowpokeking]

You need to cool your jets man. Your fiction is going way ahead of your skills. Again, small scale first. Just get used to working with characters, small situations, what a cross-over can be and where it can go wrong. Crawl, then walk, then run.

Yeah I know there are tons of character in each universe, so this story will mostly happen behind the war of both universes when most of them were focusing on the war, not many individuals will know this and get involved.

I think it's still better to use LotR movie's plot rather than the novel when it differs, while I don't like to imagine Cate Blanchett's face every time I think about the plot.

[Mshadowz]

What's this about old man rape??? :confused:

[Slowpokeking]

What's this about old man rape??? :confused:

No, they made a deal to exchange power and increase her Midi-chlorian count. Before that Dooku returned to his youth by draining life forces, I described him as a thin, handsome but dark man, yes, look at Lee's Dracula when he was young. However he usually still uses Force Mask to disguise, make him look old again.

[Mshadowz]

No, they made a deal to exchange power and increase her Midi-chlorian count. Before that Dooku returned to his youth by draining life forces, I described him as a thin, handsome but dark man, yes, look at Lee's Dracula when he was young. However he usually still uses Force Mask to disguise, make him look old again.

Radical.

[Slowpokeking]

I feel confused about the story's later plot. Sith training then battle against Sidious? Or something different.

[SmokeBlader]

When is Sargeras making his grand appearance ?

[Slowpokeking]

When is Sargeras making his grand appearance ?

It got nothing to do with WOW.

Even the novel Darth Plagueis didn't talk much about how did Plagueis train Sidious. I have to work on my own mostly.

[SmokeBlader]

You just wrote a fan fic where SW clashes with Lotr. What's wrong with bringing Sargeras in ?

[Slowpokeking]

You just wrote a fan fic where SW clashes with Lotr. What's wrong with bringing Sargeras in ?

SW and LotR already got tons of character and lots of stuff going on, no need for another universe.

[Vil'rexin]

Any plans for Alfonzo Ribeiro?

[Slowpokeking]

Any plans for Alfonzo Ribeiro?

Why would you think of him?

[Erthad]

Gimli and Muradin should have an epic fight seen.

[Slowpokeking]

Gimli and Muradin should have an epic fight seen.

You can write it yourself.

[Porimlys]

Gimli and Muradin should have an epic fight seen.

I think Muradin would win simply because of WoWs "Warrior magic"

[Vil'rexin]

Why would you think of him?Every story needs a humorous character and I always thought he was an underrated actor.

You can write it yourself.Daaaaamn Slowpoke with the sizzle and burn!

[Slowpokeking]

Every story needs a humorous character and I always thought he was an underrated actor.

Daaaaamn Slowpoke with the sizzle and burn!

Think about Cate Blanchett's image so much already pains me enough.

[Vil'rexin]

Think about Cate Blanchett's image so much already pains me enough.You haven't seen the Carlton dance before, have you?

[Slowpokeking]

You haven't seen the Carlton dance before, have you?

No, but I really wish PJ used some other actress as Galadriel.

[Vil'rexin]

No, but I really wish PJ used some other actress as Galadriel.zS1cLOIxsQ8

If that doesn't warm your heart and soul, you're a monster.

[Slowpokeking]

zS1cLOIxsQ8

If that doesn't warm your heart and soul, you're a monster.

Yeah it's cool but how am I gonna let this guy interact with Cat...I mean Galadriel?

[Anasterian]

Slow. Can you not tell when people are joking at and/or mocking you in this thread? It's really quite rampant and you take it all dead serious.

Also, that "deal scene" when I skimmed it did sound more like a rape scene. :confused:

[Slowpokeking]

Slow. Can you not tell when people are joking at and/or mocking you in this thread? It's really quite rampant and you take it all dead serious.

Also, that "deal scene" when I skimmed it did sound more like a rape scene. :confused:

No, I just don't want to be rude.

[Slowpokeking]

I think Galadriel will be more like a Jedi Sage/Sith Sorcerer type of Force user, doesn't use lightsaber to fight, just focus on all those force abilities.

[Cantus]

Slow. Can you not tell when people are joking at and/or mocking you in this thread? It's really quite rampant and you take it all dead serious.

Also, that "deal scene" when I skimmed it did sound more like a rape scene. :confused:Everything sounds like a rape scene. It's all just distrubing to the nth degree. Thus why I keep hounding him on writing, because if this is his standard stuff the only people who will want to read it are serial killers and psychiatrists.

[Slowpokeking]

Everything sounds like a rape scene. It's all just distrubing to the nth degree. Thus why I keep hounding him on writing, because if this is his standard stuff the only people who will want to read it are serial killers and psychiatrists.

How should I write such exchange then? I'm no good, sometimes really bad at writing love scene, while this got no love.

I'm reading Le Rouge et le Noir now, it's mixed with love and lust.

[BaronGrackle]

How should I write such exchange then? I'm no good, sometimes really bad at writing love scene, while this got no love.

I'm reading Le Rouge et le Noir now, it's mixed with love and lust.

Okay, you describe the scene this way...

No, they made a deal to exchange power and increase her Midi-chlorian count. Before that Dooku returned to his youth by draining life forces, I described him as a thin, handsome but dark man, yes, look at Lee's Dracula when he was young. However he usually still uses Force Mask to disguise, make him look old again.

Are you trying to say that she gave him sex and he gave her Midichlorian power? Or, are you saying that she gave him youth and he gave her Midichlorian power, and sex was just a part of that? Because I don't think I understand it.

Anyway, here is the actual scene. Perhaps I can point you to some points of my confusion:

Dooku began the Jedi training when he was four, and left to become a Sith, more than sixty years later.

Neither side taught him a bit about love.

He believed that perhaps he did not truly know love.

Pause. Note that the premise of this passage starts with love, and not having it. There is nothing here about granting Force powers, nothing about youth, nothing about deals and exchanges. Just, Dooku not understanding love. Let's read on...

The Sith and the Jedi were no different, they were never taught how to love, always put their discipline on the top. Many of them claimed that they found love, which in truth was just the lust, the desire that was part of all being’s nature. No matter how hard did the Jedi try to suppress it, they could never extinguish its spark, many Jedi even fall into the dark side because of the ignition of their lust. While the Sith, although they could express and enjoy, but often had to end it up with blood in order to prevent themselves from becoming softer and weaker.

This part makes a direct correlation of love vs. lust, and the Jedi way vs. the Sith way. Of course Dooku is a Sith, so his narrative is going to reflect the Sith way, or the lust way, as being the only actual reality.

Also note the end of this section, which points out that the logical end of the Sith/lust way is "with blood". Violence. And why shouldn't it? All of this is essentially correct, in that most Sith sects encourage members to embrace their desires, their lusts... the PG-13 version of this generally translates to killing and seizing power, with concern only for yourself and your own potential.

When translated to sexuality, the implications in general are unfortunate. Because essentially, if the Sith aren't consensual when they end lives and seize possessions, then why would we expect them to be consensual in anything else?

He wanted to let this woman know that their goal is similar, just like Sidious did to him. Beside it, all that’s left was his lust of her beauty and elegance.

He was also clear that this woman will never love him, never, ever.

However, he already got what he wanted, there was no need be too greedy.

What we know is:

1) Dooku lusts for this woman.
2) This woman will never love him.
3) Dooku is okay with that because "he already got what he wanted".
4) We are never told that the woman "gave" him anything of her own choice.

This was a heritage, an exchange between lust and power, without the slightest real love in it.

It is also the perfect interpretation of the way of the Sith.

Because you told me, I now know that the "exchange between lust and power" has to do with Dooku and this woman (whoever she is, right?).

But your passage doesn't tell us anything about this woman. We don't know anything about her, except that she is beautiful and Dooku wants her and she will never love him. We don't know that she wants anything from Dooku at all. We don't even have any indication that she will receive anything positive from the events that are about to happen. Because in the narrative, everything thus far has been talking about how Dooku feels and what Dooku expects to receive.

So when I read about the "exchange between lust and power", it sounds like all of it applies to Dooku. It sounds an awful lot like a balance between lust and power, a union between lust and power, if you would.

And what is the perfect union between lust and power, when both advantages are given to a single individual?

Rape. That is why the passage sounds like rape is about to happen. And it goes perfectly with the last line about "perfect interpretation of the way of the Sith".



EDIT: P.S. If you do get the wording down for this scene, so that everyone understands it correctly, then I'm not sure how much it would matter. It would just make whats-her-name a prostitute, and Dooku a john. Which is better than a rape victim and a rapist... but still.

[Slowpokeking]

She gave him lust and if you agree, the desire of conquest over her, and let him have sex with her with the power of the Dark Side to increase her Midichlorian count, thus making her a Force sensitive and be able to use the Dark Side of the Force.

Yeah I guess it's because I only translated part of it. The previous chapter was all about how they talk about their ideas, this deal. Maybe I should also add some feelings of Galadriel in this chapter to avoid misunderstanding, but to be honest, I don't know how to describe her in this scene, I'm afraid to set her off-character.

Before this chapter I mostly focus on Galadriel's thoughts.

[Slowpokeking]

Now the plot is going to be they go against Sidious secretly? Or let the Jedi to get involved in Middle Earth now?

Damn I really wish they used Diane as Galadriel.

[Anasterian]

She gave him lust and if you agree, the desire of conquest over her, and let him have sex with her with the power of the Dark Side to increase her Midichlorian count, thus making her a Force sensitive and be able to use the Dark Side of the Force.


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Please stop writing. Now.

[Slowpokeking]

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Please stop writing. Now.

Yoda's quote in EP II's novel is proof.

[SmokeBlader]

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[Slowpokeking]

Sidious’ face under the hood was still expressionless after he heard Celeborn‘s words , but his gloomy voice slowly started the tale: "More than 3600 years ago, the Sith Empire ruled half of the galaxy. There was a great Dark Lord of the Sith among that time, known as Darth Nox. "

That Twi'lek grew up as a slave, but she learned some terrible technique called Force Walk. This technique allowed her to bind powerful Sith Lord and Dark JedI‘s ghost to empower herself greatly, and defeated her sworn enemy, one of the most powerful Sith Lords in that era, Darth Thanaton. Thus she ascended to the Dark Council, the highest governing body under the Sith Emperor. Fortunately, I recovered her Holocron years ago and learned this technique and further improved it. In addition to use the spirit to strengthen myself, I can also dominate the spirit without binding it into my own body and make it my servant."

;)

[Slowpokeking]

Now I'm working on the last chapter now, gonna be a battle between Dooku and Sidious, with Plagueis ghost's manipulation.

[Sonneillon]

Now I'm working on the last chapter now, gonna be a battle between Dooku and Sidious, with Plagueis ghost's manipulation.

Slow... leave your computer, go into the outside world. I promise you it's not that scary.

[Slowpokeking]

Slow... leave your computer, go into the outside world. I promise you it's not that scary.

What's that gonna do with write a story? I write stuff and communicate with other people outside. It's none of your business.

[BaronGrackle]

Star Wars was so lame the day it decided Darth Plagueis was just Palpatine's teacher. In the film, it made it seem like a historical or semi-legendary figure.

Palpatine: Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Anakin: No.
Palpatine: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.

"He was my teacher." :rolleyes:


~ ~ ~ ~ ~

"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Macbeth?"
"No."
"It's a story of ambition and corruption."
"Sounds interesting. When was it written?"
"Written? No, no. Macbeth was my neighbor, growing up."

Lame. But that's not your fault, Slowpokeking.

[Slowpokeking]

Star Wars was so lame the day it decided Darth Plagueis was just Palpatine's teacher. In the film, it made it seem like a historical or semi-legendary figure.



"He was my teacher." :rolleyes:


~ ~ ~ ~ ~

"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Macbeth?"
"No."
"It's a story of ambition and corruption."
"Sounds interesting. When was it written?"
"Written? No, no. Macbeth was my neighbor, growing up."

Lame. But that's not your fault, Slowpokeking.

Read the novel of Plagueis, I believe you will like him.