YOUR look on azeroth in the future

[Tagarline]

your look on azeroth in the future, what do you think the world looks like in 20-30 years, by this i mean: who is dead, new heroes, new strong entities (mergings), etc.

(lore-wise)
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[Timolas]

Good thread idea. :D

I HOPE that the Horde would have lost the war. Everywhere is peaceful, Alliance controlled.... well... yea.

Probably though they will all make peace, unite against the Legion again like at Ahn'qiraj and after that unite AGAIN against the Scourge. After that is done they start fighting again and kill eachother till a new diabolical evil comes to be.

[Rebirth]

Good thread idea. :D

I HOPE that the Horde would have lost the war. Everywhere is peaceful, Alliance controlled.... well... yea.

Probably though they will all make peace, unite against the Legion again like at Ahn'qiraj and after that unite AGAIN against the Scourge. After that is done they start fighting again and kill eachother till a new diabolical evil comes to be.



I hope the horde wins, they deserve it. Who cares about the alliance with their dolled up, hollywood appearance, and their high morals. Who cares abotu their expansionist, racist, ignorant nations. I mean really, who in their right mind would re-elect Bush?

woops, mindless segue. my bad.

[Kakwakas]

I hope the horde wins, they deserve it. Who cares about the alliance with their dolled up, hollywood appearance, and their high morals. Who cares abotu their expansionist, racist, ignorant nations. I mean really, who in their right mind would re-elect Bush?

woops, mindless segue. my bad.

Shhh, don't bring politics into games.

Really, you could say the same things about the Horde...

[Rebirth]

Shhh, don't bring politics into games.

Really, you could say the same things about the Horde...


shh... its already in there...

[Tagarline]

i hope horde 2 win also. but not by killing of all alliance, just make peace and unite against the legion, that you can as players stand on towers and try to shoot as many demons incoming. like a hold the line thingy, i would really love that, something like the beta, all demons attack and u have to cleanse them. :vile: :evil:
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[Kenzuki]

I hope the horde wins, they deserve it. Who cares about the alliance with their dolled up, hollywood appearance, and their high morals. Who cares abotu their expansionist, racist, ignorant nations. I mean really, who in their right mind would re-elect Bush?

woops, mindless segue. my bad.

Yeah let's all reward the side that tried to wipe all life from Azeroth, I think the Alliance has a right to dispise the Horde. I'de hate them too if they killed all of my family and friends. Just cause a guy was on drugs, doesn't mean he get's off the hook for killing your family. Don't give me that "they were being controlled" crap, they KNEW what they were doing on Draenor. The demons just brought to surface that which was already there.

I did relect Bush btw.

[Tagarline]

Yeah let's all reward the side that tried to wipe all life from Azeroth, I think the Alliance has a right to dispise the Horde. I'de hate them too if they killed all of my family and friends. Just cause a guy was on drugs, doesn't mean he get's off the hook for killing your family. Don't give me that "they were being controlled" crap, they KNEW what they were doing on Draenor. The demons just brought to surface that which was already there.

I did relect Bush btw.

no side winning is also fine, if there was peace. and still a hard enemy, now that i would like
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[Rebirth]

Yeah let's all reward the side that tried to wipe all life from Azeroth, I think the Alliance has a right to dispise the Horde. I'de hate them too if they killed all of my family and friends. Just cause a guy was on drugs, doesn't mean he get's off the hook for killing your family. Don't give me that "they were being controlled" crap, they KNEW what they were doing on Draenor. The demons just brought to surface that which was already there.

I did relect Bush btw.


valid points, and i wasnt saying that they shouldn't hate the Horde. And once a druggie cleans up he can move on, like the Horde is trying (do not bring up the forsaken with me). though he had committed atrocities while under the influence once he's sober he cn begin again, a la the new Horde.

I wasn't old enough to vote then, I am now.

There's no bad blood, and we'll leave politics out of fantasy for now, I respect you too much to go into that, and I'm sure the ensuing debate would be quite heated.

So good day, and let's leave each other in peace.

[Urin_Bloodface]

Hope the burning leagion wins ... and control everything and it becomes a " the underground rebellion" strategy game. ohhh yeah fu.

[KardenTheHunter]

I don't see why the Alliance would win. Or should win in that fact. Most of the Orcs who were in the First War and Second War are dead anyway, and old hatereds should die and fade away. However, old hatreds die hard and it's easier to accept that it's the enemies fault and not look inward. Both Orcs and Humans have flaws. Every race on Azeroth has a flaw (including those from Draenor). Every race is susceptible to these flaws and vices. Nothing is perfect. Not even in a Fantasy world. Which is what makes it so intresting.

And Kenzuki, as a lore master I'm quite surprised you think it's so cut and dry. The Horde on Draenor were under the influence on Mannoroth's blood and though they knew what they were doing, they were not told it was wrong. But then again, look who their leaders were. The Shadow Council, Ner'zhul and Gul'Dan. Thrall on the other hand has a strong sense of morality, compassion, and over all presence that exudes goodness. I mean do I really have to bring up Jaina?

But then again, I see where those on the Alliance find it easier to accept the Horde as an enemy. Insults that have been dealt on both sides. Insults more imporantly to those who were not even alive when the beginning of this happened and don't care to know what started it. Like I said; it's easier to accept that your enemies have caused all your problems then look inward.

[Kenzuki]

valid points, and i wasnt saying that they shouldn't hate the Horde. And once a druggie cleans up he can move on, like the Horde is trying (do not bring up the forsaken with me). though he had committed atrocities while under the influence once he's sober he cn begin again, a la the new Horde.

I wasn't old enough to vote then, I am now.

There's no bad blood, and we'll leave politics out of fantasy for now, I respect you too much to go into that, and I'm sure the ensuing debate would be quite heated.

So good day, and let's leave each other in peace.

You do know that in Cycle of Hatred Thrall basically says that the humans are justified in their dislike of orcs right, and that their bloodlust was no excuse for what destruction they brought throughout the lands of humanity?

[Kakwakas]

You do know that in Cycle of Hatred Thrall basically says that the humans are justified in their dislike of orcs right, and that their bloodlust was no excuse for what destruction they brought throughout the lands of humanity?

Probably not, seeing as not everyone has read that book yet.

[Rebirth]

You do know that in Cycle of Hatred Thrall basically says that the humans are justified in their dislike of orcs right, and that their bloodlust was no excuse for what destruction they brought throughout the lands of humanity?

nope I don't have the book.

[Vicious]

You do know that in Cycle of Hatred Thrall basically says that the humans are justified in their dislike of orcs right, and that their bloodlust was no excuse for what destruction they brought throughout the lands of humanity?


Wow, Thrall just gained some points in my book.

[Bradford]

I don't see why the Alliance would win. Or should win in that fact. Most of the Orcs who were in the First War and Second War are dead anyway, and old hatereds should die and fade away. However, old hatreds die hard and it's easier to accept that it's the enemies fault and not look inward. Both Orcs and Humans have flaws. Every race on Azeroth has a flaw (including those from Draenor). Every race is susceptible to these flaws and vices. Nothing is perfect. Not even in a Fantasy world. Which is what makes it so intresting.

And Kenzuki, as a lore master I'm quite surprised you think it's so cut and dry. The Horde on Draenor were under the influence on Mannoroth's blood and though they knew what they were doing, they were not told it was wrong. But then again, look who their leaders were. The Shadow Council, Ner'zhul and Gul'Dan. Thrall on the other hand has a strong sense of morality, compassion, and over all presence that exudes goodness. I mean do I really have to bring up Jaina?

But then again, I see where those on the Alliance find it easier to accept the Horde as an enemy. Insults that have been dealt on both sides. Insults more imporantly to those who were not even alive when the beginning of this happened and don't care to know what started it. Like I said; it's easier to accept that your enemies have caused all your problems then look inward.


This really boils down to a point of view sorta situation. Look at the situation from the eyes of the beholder. The orcs were always blood thursty animal, even long before the Bl tainted them. They committed genoicide on thier home world. The humans would have never even ran into this problem if it were not for Sargeras. If he would not have leeched himself to Medivh, the human alliance would have remained peaceful as they were before. The humans always made the best of what they had. Given Garithos and Proudmoore seemed to be the baddies in TFT, but if you look at it from their point of view they were doing the best with the knowledge they had...... as it has always been with the alliance...

[Tagarline]

hrm... i think more ppl play alliance here :)
but anyway, i believe that the alliance indeed did what they could with their knowledge, but they could've listened to jaina could'nt they?
but i think we're going a bit off-topic, what i wanted to know was who will die, live and such things. like for instance that magni bronzebeard would be assasinated, that the forsaken would unraveled of their (i think) evil plans...
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[Rebirth]

The orcs were always blood thursty animal, even long before the Bl tainted them. They committed genoicide on thier home world.

untrue, they massacred the draeniai BECAUSE of the Legion.

[Bradford]

untrue, they massacred the draeniai BECAUSE of the Legion.

Your telling me the orcs were a passive race that lived in peace with the Dreanei?? If thats so then why in the hell did they draw the attention of the legion. If i was a lord of the burning Legion looking for a race to conquer another.... I wouldnt pick a group of peaces loving hippies!!!

Here is sinpit from another post on this board

I was just reading through Shadows & Light and i noticed this under Mannoroths entry,
Quote:
In preparation for the Burning Legion's second invasion of Azeroth, Kil' jaeden dispatched Mannoroth to Daenor. There twelve clan chieftains of the orc Horde drank from Mannoroth's blood and fell prey to the curse of bloodlust.

They werent tainted till the 2nd invasion.....

[Kenzuki]

The orcs might not have been bloodthirsty, but they sure were a warrior race. A race that no doubt wanted power, because Grom and the other 11 chieftains WILLINGLY drank the blood of Mannoroth. That's why Thrall got so pissed at Grom, he admitted to bring the curse upon themselves.

[Rebirth]

Your telling me the orcs were a passive race that lived in peace with the Dreanei?? If thats so then why in the hell did they draw the attention of the legion. If i was a lord of the burning Legion looking for a race to conquer another.... I wouldnt pick a group of peaces loving hippies!!!

Here is sinpit from another post on this board

I was just reading through Shadows & Light and i noticed this under Mannoroths entry,
Quote:
In preparation for the Burning Legion's second invasion of Azeroth, Kil' jaeden dispatched Mannoroth to Daenor. There twelve clan chieftains of the orc Horde drank from Mannoroth's blood and fell prey to the curse of bloodlust.

They werent tainted till the 2nd invasion.....

point proven. nicely done.

[Kakwakas]

If thats so then why in the hell did they draw the attention of the legion.

A parodoxical encounter with Broxigar?

[Kenzuki]

A parodoxical encounter with Broxigar?

Which would have never happen if Thrall had not sent him out to investigate....Does this mean that it was Thrall who caused his own people's corruption....ah the bane of time travel....

[Yuber8900]

Which would have never happen if Thrall had not sent him out to investigate....Does this mean that it was Thrall who caused his own people's corruption....ah the bane of time travel....

Time Travel is so annoying, oh god the paradoxes, the alternate realities, explanation.

[Ravenclaw2099]

The Legion values two things, Arcane power and brute strength. If you look at the Legion's forces, most of the races have strong warrior builds, not lanky pencil-men.

This is why the orcs were corrupted before Broxigar was sent back in time..at least initially. Even if he was not sent back, the Legion would have still eventually stumbled upon Draenor, and been impressed by the natural strength of the Orcs. This is the main reason they chose to corrupt them. In fact, one of the books in the WOTA Trilogy state how Archimonde thought of subjugating the Tauren for the same reason.

And if you ask me they were tainted a while before the 2nd invasion (10000 years between first and second Legion invasions.).and here's my theory as to why:

Remember, Kil'jaedan began his own machinations way before sending Mannoroth to finish the corruption process. By eventually convincing Gul'dan and his disciples to form the Shadow Council, the Demonlord had a tool with which to corrupt to noble mindset and spirituality of the Orcs.

It is well known that the Shadow Council were very manipulative but kept themsleves under the radar. They were able to sway the politics of the clans, which also helped to convince the Orcs to abandon Shamanism. Likewise, it was they, under Kiljaedan's watchful eye, who manipulated the many cheiftains to war against the Draenei. I am pretty Sure Kil'jaedan used this war as a warm-up for the bigger fight to come. Besides, the Draenei were considered weak in his eyes, and also a threat in the sense that they could turn potentially the Orcs back to the old ways (Akama is a Shaman, and the Draenei seem to follow some sort of Shamanism, which leads me to beleive they got along farily well before Kil'jaedan started messing around).

As we all know, once the Draenei were defeated, the love for war had been sown into the mindset of the Orcs, and thus the clan wars began. Both the Council and Kil'jaedan knew this could be trouble, so set forth the plan to open the Dark Portal (the rest is history :D).

The reason Mannoroth was put into play was simple: Kil'jaedan did not want a failure on Azeroth again, and felt it was best to give the Orcs a bigger edge. Enter Mannoroth's blood, which would not only increase the Orc's bloodlust, but physically make them stronger too (As witnessed with Grom against Cenarius). Thus they were ready for Azeroth.

In other words; Kil'jaedan's corruption is aimed more at the mind/heart (which can take time), while Mannoroth's is aimed more at the physical aspect(insantatneous).

[Timolas]

Interesting points all of you. :)

Well - I don't hate the Horde (except when they get on my nerves in battlegrounds - but those are the gankers who play them).
To be honest I was pretty upset that in World of Warcraft the war began again.

How I wish it to be is like at Mt. Hjal - united. Even Dark Trolls aided in that battle and they were neither Alliance, Elven or Horde.
Not that I want constant happy smiling peace, I'd simply like instead of Horde and Alliance there to be a single union, against the Burning Legion and the Scourge.... and the Forsaken...

The Orcs were and are warrior people, and willingly sacrificed themselves to be pawns of the Legion. Yet that was a long time ago, but still the taint wears on.

Come on... orc warlocks allowed to thrive in Orgrimmar. Don't tell me that is a good thing. :raisedbro

I still prefer Alliance... but the Horde is good too with the exception of lifeless corpses wreaking havoc.