WC movie what would you want?

[xie323]

I know that video game movies useually fail in the eyes of the critics(FF7: Advent Children only got 40% on Rotten Tomatos despite its popularity and The 1st MK movie wasnt really well-received through it was also popular) but there are gamers who like them and guess what: There will be a WC movie! Even if the critics pan it we as WC fans would like it if its done well in our eyes.

So what would you like for the Warcraft movie?

[Kerrah]

Isn't this kinda... late?

[ScytheRexx]

Personally, I would have wanted the plot to start out with a war happening somewhere between the Horde and Alliance. After some time, two soldiers (Don't care the race really) on opposite sides of the conflict become trapped together and must overcome something as a team. At the end they leave each other with a powerful respect for the other, but still part ways to fight once more for the faction they are ultimately loyal.

It is a tired formula, but one of my favorites.

[Thuragrum]

Hmmm won't there be two movies? One World of WarCraft and the other just WarCraft?
I heard some crazy stuff...

[Drz]

Warcraft 1. I want to see Blackhand and Orgrim slaughtering humies.

[Yuber8900]

Warcraft 1. I want to see Lothar and Azeroth slaughtering greenskins and not have 6 million people bitching that humans are evil and orcs are good.

Fixed for truth.

[xie323]

Heres what I want:

I want it to be just about the Allience vs Horde which means dont put Arthas or any of the other villains(through we can have a mention). Just a pure war movie that shows how war between Ally and horde erupts.

[Thuragrum]

I want more dwarves, gnomes and goblins. And more of Khaz Modan. More dwarf holds.

[Saim]

I would want it to be canceled.

Because it will suck no matter what.

If that's not possible, I would make it so that it actual fits into the lore and sets up WCIV in some way.

[RobLore]

I want War of the Ancients trilogy.

And then if its successful, Warcraft I and II trilogy and then a trilogy about Wc3.

[Saim]

That would be horribly pointless.

We already have books that tell the WoTA story, the movie should tell a different story.

Not to mention that if it did an existing story it would probably screw it up.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

Its not going to be in the same warcraft universe that we play in. That would practically doom the movie to be shitty and only enjoyable to hardcore warcraft lore nerds like us. Take “The Dark Knight” for example, would you really want it to be within the continuity of the comic?

What I want from the movie is just some advancement on it. We have heard nothing about it since it was announced so long ago, and I question whether its even still being developed at this point.

[Dark Avenger]

I don't want a WC film.

[ARM3481]

I don't want a WC film.

I sadly find myself leaning toward this sentiment at times.

Because a movie industry that gave us a Doom movie with no demons...could just as easily give us a Warcraft movie with no orcs. :angry:

Or perhaps just as bad, turn the orcs into disposable foot soldiers working for some human bad guy.

For it becomes all too clear at times that Hollywood assumes we're all too stupid for a real story based on an existing popular franchise. Especially a video game; comics climbed out of their rut a few times in recent years, but video games are still generally regarded as a medium enjoyed exclusively by imbeciles with no attention spans.

[xie323]

I sadly find myself leaning toward this sentiment at times.

Because a movie industry that gave us a Doom movie with no demons...could just as easily give us a Warcraft movie with no orcs. :angry:

Or perhaps just as bad, turn the orcs into disposable foot soldiers working for some human bad guy.

For it becomes all too clear at times that Hollywood assumes we're all too stupid for a real story based on an existing popular franchise. Especially a video game; comics climbed out of their rut a few times in recent years, but video games are still generally regarded as a medium enjoyed exclusively by imbeciles with no attention spans.

Dont you also play video games?

Its not going to be in the same warcraft universe that we play in. That would practically doom the movie to be shitty and only enjoyable to hardcore warcraft lore nerds like us. Take “The Dark Knight” for example, would you really want it to be within the continuity of the comic?

What I want from the movie is just some advancement on it. We have heard nothing about it since it was announced so long ago, and I question whether its even still being developed at this point.

That mario movie wasnt in the same Mario universe and guess what it was a FLOP.

At least we can still enjoy the WC movie. I already guess it will be panned by critics.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

That mario movie wasnt in the same Mario universe and guess what it was a FLOP.

Don't be naive, you knew what I meant. It won't be the same continuity, not such a radical departure as Mario Brothers.

[ARM3481]

Dont you also play video games?

Yep. I said video games and their players are often regarded in that fashion. Doesn't mean they (we) are actually like that.

Most of those who play video games are regular people, but it often feels like popular culture outlets like television and the movies still assume that only kids and freaks without lives play them, when that's not the case.

As such, they frequently dumb down video game-based movies more than even comic book adaptations because they figure that the target audience is stupid enough to swallow anything with a familiar game title and that there's no reason to make a real movie with a real story for what they figure is a small and isolated demographic.

[Bradford]

Don't be naive, you knew what I meant. It won't be the same continuity, not such a radical departure as Mario Brothers.

What?????........I liked the Mario movie.

[Dark Avenger]

What?????........I liked the Mario movie.

Well, it did have Bob Hoskins in it, and he's awesome in everything.

[Kerrah]

What?????........I liked the Mario movie.

It was so bad it was good.

[Omacron]

DINO DENNIS HOPPER!

Nuff said.

[xie323]

It was so bad it was good.

Yeah!!!

That's whats so chraming bout Video Gaming movies. The critics pan them so much that gamers may like it!

[Dark Avenger]

Yeah!!!

That's whats so chraming bout Video Gaming movies. The critics pan them so much that gamers may like it!

Steady now. Super Mario Bros. is the only one that's like that. The rest are absolute crap.

[xie323]

Steady now. Super Mario Bros. is the only one that's like that. The rest are absolute crap.

Mortal Kombat and Doom movies where both negatively recived but they were both popular.

[Drz]

Mortal Kombat and Doom movies where both negatively recived but they were both popular.

Umm says who lol? >_> Doom might have been hyped since it was Doom but for the love of god it turned out to be just a "The Rock" movie, i have only seen a clip of the ending where they try to copy the game by having a FPS when they kill the demon/zombie guy.

Mortal Kombat 1 was received nciely, but i havent seen the 2nd but i heard it sucksd. :P

[Omacron]

Street Fighter was also good, mostly because of Raul Julia's performance as M. Bison, though casting a Belgian as the uber-american action hero was a little odd.

EDIT: Silent Hill WAS pretty good, but it was visually similar to the games yet thematically entirely different.

[Kerrah]

Here are short reviews of all the VG movies I've seen:

-Mario Bros. = So bad it's good.
-DOOM = Absolute suckage that is so bad Romero has every right to beat the movie makers to death with a golf club.
-Mortal Kombat 1 = Okay.
-Mortal Kombat 2 = Just plain bad.
-Final Fantasy: Spirits Within = A horrible piece of ass.
-Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children = Good action, but feels kinda forced (canceling Cloud's character development from the game to make him emo again, for one thing).
-Silent Hill = Genuinely good, though I've never played any of the games.
-Tomb Raider = Just as bad as the games.
-Street Fighter (live action, not anime) = Pretty bad, IIRC (I was like eight when I saw it).

[Dark Avenger]

Being a real fan of Silent Hill, I didn't rate the movie at all. It felt like a cliched, by-the-numbers horror movie that had none of the real uniqueness of the games.

[Kenzuki]

I'm hoping against all hope they don't beep up the Castlevania movie.

[Vicious]

I´ll go ahead and review the movies in the list Kerrah that made.

-Mario Bros. = Same as Kerrah.

-DOOM = Another case of VG movies that have absolutely nothing to do with the original game, add the fact that the main character is a fucking wrestler made me nerd rage i almost left the movie room. And it´s not by making a "first person shooter" section that makes it good.

-Mortal Kombat 1 = Simple yet actually faithful to the series with a pretty good cast of characters. I like it.

-Mortal Kombat 2 = Horrible pseudo - cartoony piece of shit, the fact that half the good cast was changed and that they had to cramp the fucking movie with all the characters of the franchise didn´t help either

-Final Fantasy: Spirits Within = Not that bad of a movie, don´t see why people diss it so much, it´s just kinda boring is all.

-Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children = Probably the best CGI around with awesome fight sequences but they managed to grab a pretty simple storyline (Sephiroth´s death corrupting the lifestream) into a fucking convoluted mess and like Kerrah said, the derailment of Cloud which according to some of the producers was to cater to the fans who like him that way.


-Silent Hill = Took some liberties with the original storyline of the first game which makes some hardcores fan nerd rage like no tomorrow but as an adaptation, it succeeded.

-Tomb Raider = Same as Kerrah, only the movies as worse.

-Street Fighter (live action, not anime) = It´s a fucking joke of a movie, i especially loved the ending where Blanka and the indian guy stayed in the crumbling base to "atone for their sins" or whatever and when everyone else gets out, what do they do their mourning?

They do this happy "kick ass" pose for the Street Fighter logo to appear.

Resident Evil Degeneration - For some reason, Leon became the biggest fucking douche in the Resident evil universe, maybe it´s because he flirts with half the freaking female cast of the entire franchise and he gets nothing back. Only now in the movie he got some action. Anyway, after all that spanish bullshit we got in Resident Evil 4, i was pleasantly surprised, old school resident evil fans or any zombie movie will enjoy it, it gets a little boring at the middle when nothing seems to happen for 20 minutes.

Production values aren´t that good compared to Afvent children.

Video game movies i´m interested in: God of War, Prince of Persia, Castlevania and Metal Gear Solid.

[Mark_Romaneck]

Being a real fan of Silent Hill, I didn't rate the movie at all. I felt like a cliched, by-the-numbers horror movie that had none of the real uniqueness of the games.

The thing that bugged me was... what the **** was the pyramid head doing there? they put him in there just for shit and giggles

[xie323]

I´ll go ahead and review the movies in the list Kerrah that made.

-Mario Bros. = Same as Kerrah.

-DOOM = Another case of VG movies that have absolutely nothing to do with the original game, add the fact that the main character is a fucking wrestler made me nerd rage i almost left the movie room. And it´s not by making a "first person shooter" section that makes it good.

-Mortal Kombat 1 = Simple yet actually faithful to the series with a pretty good cast of characters. I like it.

-Mortal Kombat 2 = Horrible pseudo - cartoony piece of shit, the fact that half the good cast was changed and that they had to cramp the fucking movie with all the characters of the franchise didn´t help either

-Final Fantasy: Spirits Within = Not that bad of a movie, don´t see why people diss it so much, it´s just kinda boring is all.

-Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children = Probably the best CGI around with awesome fight sequences but they managed to grab a pretty simple storyline (Sephiroth´s death corrupting the lifestream) into a fucking convoluted mess and like Kerrah said, the derailment of Cloud which according to some of the producers was to cater to the fans who like him that way.


-Silent Hill = Took some liberties with the original storyline of the first game which makes some hardcores fan nerd rage like no tomorrow but as an adaptation, it succeeded.

-Tomb Raider = Same as Kerrah, only the movies as worse.

-Street Fighter (live action, not anime) = It´s a fucking joke of a movie, i especially loved the ending where Blanka and the indian guy stayed in the crumbling base to "atone for their sins" or whatever and when everyone else gets out, what do they do their mourning?

They do this happy "kick ass" pose for the Street Fighter logo to appear.

Resident Evil Degeneration - For some reason, Leon became the biggest fucking douche in the Resident evil universe, maybe it´s because he flirts with half the freaking female cast of the entire franchise and he gets nothing back. Only now in the movie he got some action. Anyway, after all that spanish bullshit we got in Resident Evil 4, i was pleasantly surprised, old school resident evil fans or any zombie movie will enjoy it, it gets a little boring at the middle when nothing seems to happen for 20 minutes.

Production values aren´t that good compared to Afvent children.

Video game movies i´m interested in: God of War, Prince of Persia, Castlevania and Metal Gear Solid.

Do not want GOW as a movie for various reasons.

[Drz]

Do not want GOW as a movie for various reasons.

Those being? Sure Kratos is a simple character but i like all the historic references and Hades look-design was awesome. :P I would also like Gears of War to get a movie adaption.

[Vicious]

Those being? Sure Krasus is a simple character but i like all the historic references and Hades look-design was awesome. :P I would also like Gears of War to get a movie adaption.

Say what?

[Drz]

Lol just corrected my post, meant Kratos/Cratos.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

Street Fighter was also good, mostly because of Raul Julia's performance as M. Bison, though casting a Belgian as the uber-american action hero was a little odd.


Almost as bad as casting a Hispanic and an Englishman as Italian-American brothers…

[Omacron]

Almost as bad as casting a Hispanic and an Englishman as Italian-American brothers…

I had no problem with Leguizamo in that movie save for the lack of mustache.

THAT'S MAMMA LUIGI TO YOU.

[Cantus]

(I apologize in advance for this rant)
For a Warcraft movie it should be all out fucking war, pillaging, raping, and utter and complete destruction. There better be blood, gore, torn limbs, and thousands of men, women, and children crying before being slaughtered by a raging horde of hate.

In other words I want them to make it the Saving Private Ryan of video game adaptations. No pus syfooting around with a small band of adventurers going to face a dragon, no epic quest, just a ridiculously violent conflict between 2 (or more) factions seeking to raze the other's civilization to the ground.

Having seen the other adaptations, I can say that only Silent Hill and the first MK movie were even decent, and that's solely because they fulfilled nerd fantasies and/or made a decent horror movie. Warcraft can't turn itself into a crap character drama like they did these, it has to be driven by massive conflict with the characters there for the ride. Otherwise we end up seeing too many lovy dovy emotional moments in there that just destroy the idea that this isn't some bs D&D movie.

[Kerrah]

I actually decided to add the one video game movie I've never heard negative reviews of to my list last night (yay for YouTube):

Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie = A pretty good film. The animation's really well done, the character designs are good (except for Guile, who looks like a really buffed up Ken-doll), the plot doesn't overdo itself (it's just random people fighting for random reasons, mostly, just like the game) and AFAIK, it's really loyal to the game. On the other hand, the Japanese voice acting is really lifeless and dull, the music (also in the original version) is much worse than in the game and the final fight against M. Bison sucks ass. They also seemed to throw characters from the game into random scenes for absolutely no reason other than to show "hey, we can animate this character!" Zangief, Blanka, Dhalsim and Dee Jay are the worst cases of this.

Oh, and the famous "Naked Chun-Li scene" isn't that good. Though that may just be because I'm not a fan of the game and therefore have never fantasised about seeing her breasts in a shower.

All and all, I personally don't think it's as good a movie as Silent Hill, but it's probably the best game-movie translation thus far.

edit: The cliffhanger ending is just hilarious though, really punches the movie in the face. Ryu is just walking along a highway and suddenly a truck, driven by M. Bison appears behind him and drives at him, attempting to run him over. I couldn't watch it without imagining the villain yelling: "SURPRISE TRUCK HIT-AND-RUN ATTACK!"

[Omacron]

I just found out Death Race, in a roundabout way, is also a game movie, and I hated that, so chalk that up to bad game movies.

Come to think of it, though, most game-movie translations are done to games that don't have that much storyline and lore to begin with (for instance, while Silent Hill has storyline in abundance, in order to deliberately keep a mysterious aire, not much lore is established). Even the Final Fantasy movie wasn't BASED OFF a game, and it flopped- the other final fantasy movie, that was based off a game, did relatively well.



All I'm saying is, Warcraft's movie may be an anomaly- the Warcraft universe is sufficiently rich in lore to make a movie out of, unlike almost all other game movies.

[Bradford]

I was about in my late teens when the Street Fighter movie was released, and I was so fucking mad at the end of the movie I through my popcorn at the screen.

Thats money and time I will never get back, and I am sure it was the reason for Raul Julia premature death. Even God hated that movie that much.

[Timolas]

I was about in my late teens when the Street Fighter movie was released, and I was so fucking mad at the end of the movie I through my popcorn at the screen.

Thats money and time I will never get back, and I am sure it was the reason for Raul Julia premature death. Even God hated that movie that much.

Bahaha. I love it when Scrolls of Lore is funny.

[Kenzuki]

There is one scene in the Street Fighter movie that still makes me laugh. It's the scene where the truck is headed towards the villians and there is a TV they are looking at that shows the truck coming towards them. The Russian guy looks at it and says, "Quick! Change the channel!" Everyone looks at him like he's a freaken retard lol.

[Hei]

I was about in my late teens when the Street Fighter movie was released, and I was so fucking mad at the end of the movie I through my popcorn at the screen.

Thats money and time I will never get back, and I am sure it was the reason for Raul Julia premature death. Even God hated that movie that much.



Premature? wasn't he in his 70s?

[Omacron]

Premature? wasn't he in his 70s?

He was 54 when he died.

[Cantus]

Thats money and time I will never get back, and I am sure it was the reason for Raul Julia premature death. Even God hated that movie that much.

Raul Julia decided to participate in SF just so it wouldn't make people vomit while watching it. He's literally the only reason I watched it in the first place, and he's the only reason I have any hope for a video game movie since.

...damn do I miss him, the man played every part he was in, no matter how terribly written, to a degree few actors can ever achieve.

[Omacron]

Raul Julia decided to participate in SF just so it wouldn't make people vomit while watching it. He's literally the only reason I watched it in the first place, and he's the only reason I have any hope for a video game movie since.

...damn do I miss him, the man played every part he was in, no matter how terribly written, to a degree few actors can ever achieve.

I remember him best for Overdrawn At the Memory Bank, which I think is the inspiration for The Matrix.


"Wanna pringle, Fingle?"

[Kerrah]

Raul Julia decided to participate in SF just so it wouldn't make people vomit while watching it. He's literally the only reason I watched it in the first place, and he's the only reason I have any hope for a video game movie since.

...damn do I miss him, the man played every part he was in, no matter how terribly written, to a degree few actors can ever achieve.

Actually, he went in it because his children demanded it.

[Hei]

He was 54 when he died.


you are right, I just looked that up, carry on with Blaming Street Fighter for Raul Julia's Death.

[Dark Avenger]

Let's also just forget about the Max Payne movie... *shudders*

I'd love to see a Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare film. I think that is one that *could* translate well and become a genuinely good war film, although I think you would have to make it quite long in order to flesh out all the characters properly. As well as that, the cast would have to be good, and the ending with the American Marines would have to stay the same in order to give the movie the same impact as the game.

Trust me guys, in my head it's awesome.

[Bradford]

Let's also just forget about the Max Payne movie... *shudders*

I'd love to see a Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare film. I think that is one that *could* translate well and become a genuinely good war film, although I think you would have to make it quite long in order to flesh out all the characters properly. As well as that, the cast would have to be good, and the ending with the American Marines would have to stay the same in order to give the movie the same impact as the game.

Trust me guys, in my head it's awesome.

If you want a list of video games that should be made into movies I will give you one.

1. Castlevania
2. Diablo
3. Final Fantasy 6
4. Pitfighter
5. Streets of Rage
6. Pigskin
7. Maniac Mansion (NES)
8. NARC
9. Spyhunter
10. Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball

[Dark Avenger]

If you want a list of video games that should be made into movies I will give you one.

1. Castlevania
2. Diablo
3. Final Fantasy 6
4. Pitfighter
5. Streets of Rage
6. Pigskin
7. Maniac Mansion (NES)
8. NARC
9. Spyhunter
10. Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball

Wasn't NARC already a film? I thought the game was based on it. An amazing film as well I might add.

[Bradford]

Wasn't NARC already a film? I thought the game was based on it. An amazing film as well I might add.

Youre too young to remember the orginal NARC.

[Dark Avenger]

Yooure too young to remember the orginal NARC.

The 1988 Arcade game?

[Bradford]

The 1988 Arcade game?

They made a movie on that???

[Dark Avenger]

They made a movie on that???

Not sure. I did know that NARC was a game before the movie, but the movie subsequently inspired another game.

I'm confused as well.

[Bradford]

Not sure. I did know that NARC was a game before the movie, but the movie subsequently inspired another game.

I'm confused as well.

The point being, "they should have."

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

The ultimate video game that should have become a movie was "Bad Dudes". It starts off with some general guy saying, "The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue him?" Then level after level of sensless ninja-related violence.

[Bradford]

The ultimate video game that should have become a movie was "Bad Dudes". It starts off with some general guy saying, "The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue him?" Then level after level of sensless ninja-related violence.

Yea, it would have been!!!!! If you beat the game, you fought this Dragon Ninja on a helicopter and then you had a hamburger with Ronald Regan.

[Dark Avenger]

The ultimate video game that should have become a movie was "Bad Dudes". It starts off with some general guy saying, "The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue him?" Then level after level of sensless ninja-related violence.

Sounds like a work of true, unparalleled genius.

[Hei]

back on topicish.. I want Dances with Wolves.. but with Rhonin and Velociraptors...

[Timolas]

If there were to be a Warcraft movie of my choice it'd have to be the Ashbringer storyline; or at least a small personal storyline set during an event which took place in Warcraft or something.
Perhaps an average person's point of view of things after the death of Terenas, escaping with refugees, seeing the world around him fall apart, surving the reign of the three dreadlords and so and and so forth. Perhaps something to do with Garithos and later on, the Ashbringer.

Perhaps the tale of Nathanos Marris.

[Bradford]

back on topicish.. I want Dances with Wolves.. but with Rhonin and Velociraptors...

NO!!! NO TOPIC CHANGE ON BAD DUDES!!!!!

I FUCKING TOLD YOU THAT YOU HAD A BURGER WITH THE PREZ!!!!

http://sydlexia.com/imagesandstuff/badd0042.png

[Timolas]

If a man like that ever ran a country... oh wait.

[Bradford]

If a man like that ever ran a country... oh wait.

Sorta looks like an older version of Arnold.....

WAIT A SEC...........!!!!!!

[Timolas]

Sorta looks like an older version of Arnold.....

WAIT A SEC...........!!!!!!

Arnold vill rule Amerika!

[Kenzuki]

Arnold vill rule Amerika!

No, Obama will......

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

You telling me you would turn down Obama if he offered to have a hamburger with you?

[Yuber8900]

You telling me you would turn down Obama if he offered to have a hamburger with you?

I like Cheeseburgers.

[Kerrah]

If I had to choose one event/story/character that I'd want the Warcraft movie based around, it'd be the Second War.

So much awesomeness.

[Drz]

If I had to choose one event/story/character that I'd want the Warcraft movie based around, it'd be the Second War.

So much awesomeness.


Would be a good trilogy tbh, or duology. :)

[Kerrah]

Oh yeah, actually.

Tides of Darkness taught us that all that epicness won't distill into a single product.

edit: Except maybe the game. Maybe.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

Thing about this movie is things are going to be condensed and changed around. If we go into it thinking, “WTF that is lore inaccurate!” at every corner, we’re just going to make it miserable for ourselves.

The second war was cool, but certain now iconic elements of warcraft would be totally missing. For example, I cannot picture them making a live action warcraft film without hot Night Elven warrior babes in skimpy armor. Many other things would be absent as well.

They’ve already said the events will not be in the same universe as the main story, so asking for a second war or wota movie seems illogical. What I think we’re going to see is a hodgepodge movie that combines certain things for ease of understanding to a new audience, while still carrying the distinctive warcraft spirit and character. For example, I believe certain characters and events will be merged together for simplicity. I could see the first three wars kind of becoming one large scale cinematic adventure.

[Dark Avenger]

Thing about this movie is things are going to be condensed and changed around. If we go into it thinking, “WTF that is lore inaccurate!” at every corner, we’re just going to make it miserable for ourselves.

The second war was cool, but certain now iconic elements of warcraft would be totally missing. For example, I cannot picture them making a live action warcraft film without hot Night Elven warrior babes in skimpy armor. Many other things would be absent as well.

They’ve already said the events will not be in the same universe as the main story, so asking for a second war or wota movie seems illogical. What I think we’re going to see is a hodgepodge movie that combines certain things for ease of understanding to a new audience, while still carrying the distinctive warcraft spirit and character. For example, I believe certain characters and events will be merged together for simplicity. I could see the first three wars kind of becoming one large scale cinematic adventure.

This is what I think will happen as well, and to be fair I think it's probably a smart move. I'd like to see the film do something original rather than mess up a direct game adaption.

[ScytheRexx]

We already know for certain that it will take place in recent times. Unless the script that was optioned was changed (And it very well may have with all the delays), they showed concept art of Darnassus which sets it at the least after WarCraft 3.

[Bradford]

Thing about this movie is things are going to be condensed and changed around. If we go into it thinking, “WTF that is lore inaccurate!” at every corner, we’re just going to make it miserable for ourselves.

The second war was cool, but certain now iconic elements of warcraft would be totally missing. For example, I cannot picture them making a live action warcraft film without hot Night Elven warrior babes in skimpy armor. Many other things would be absent as well.

They’ve already said the events will not be in the same universe as the main story, so asking for a second war or wota movie seems illogical. What I think we’re going to see is a hodgepodge movie that combines certain things for ease of understanding to a new audience, while still carrying the distinctive warcraft spirit and character. For example, I believe certain characters and events will be merged together for simplicity. I could see the first three wars kind of becoming one large scale cinematic adventure.

I was sitting here thinking about the movie and the Lich King. Surely they would involve him somewhere in the story, I though to myself. Then it hit me how much of a blantant ripoff he is of the Witch King from the RotK movie. if you really think about it, there is not much orginal about the characters of the WC universe, but moreso the story. I think we will see a lot to do with the Night Elves,Eradar and Titans. Perhaps something about the Guardian of Tirisfall. These are really the key points that make the Warcraft universe different from the rest of the Fantasy world stories. So perhaps we WILL see something about the WotA.

Also, does anyone else have a bad feeling about what Del Toro is going to do with the Hobbit movies??? He says hes now making two....

[Dark Avenger]

If there's anyone who can pull off a Tolkien film who isn't Peter Jackson, it's Guillermo Del Torro.

[Hei]

I doubt he's making it two films because of "artistic vision" and more like New line wanted a second Trilogy... so two was a compromise...


Hmmm maybe they will try and get the even more obscure stuff if this does well.

[Bradford]

I doubt he's making it two films........

He confirmed this already in an interview. I know things change, but as of now that are his plans. He said the first will be about the Hobbit, and the 2nd will be a tie-in story to Peter Jackson's films. There is just too much to fill in there and not enough story imho.

[Hei]

He confirmed this already in an interview. I know things change, but as of now that are his plans. He said the first will be about the Hobbit, and the 2nd will be a tie-in story to Peter Jackson's films. There is just too much to fill in there and not enough story imho.


oh I don't doubt he's making two films.

I doubt its two films purely because of Directorial Vision. New Line made a lot of money on LOTR so making a multi part hobbit makes sense to the boys upstairs.

[Kerrah]

At least Jackson's returning to the producer's seat with the Hobbit movie and whatever the other film will be (I hope it'll be called "Aragorn's Wacky Adventures Before Fellowship Took Place", that'd be awesome).

[Bradford]

At least Jackson's returning to the producer's seat with the Hobbit movie and whatever the other film will be (I hope it'll be called "Aragorn's Wacky Adventures Before Fellowship Took Place", that'd be awesome).

Thats good to know. Perhaps the films will have the same look to them then.

[Dark Avenger]

Del Torror and Jackson have a similar visual style. I'd also check out Del Torro's Spanish-language film "Pan's Labyrinth". It's the best fantasy film since the LOTR Trilogy.

[Drz]

Thats good to know. Perhaps the films will have the same look to them then.

Del Toro said he will change the wargs look more like wolves, since Saruman's Isengard wargs were like bear/hyena/wolf combonation lol. :P

[Bradford]

Del Toro said he will change the wargs look more like wolves, since Saruman's Isengard wargs were like bear/hyena/wolf combonation lol. :P

They looked like a dog with down syndrome.

[Drz]

Exactly, glad there goingto be more wolvish since there will be Bolg and other orcs riding them.

[Omacron]

So if Del Toro is doing The Hobbit... maybe we could get David Cronenberg to do The Silmalirrion in 2015?

[Drz]

Silmarillion would have to be done in like what? 3-5 movies? It has so many stories and whatnot. >_>

[Bradford]

Silmarillion would have to be done in like what? 3-5 movies? It has so many stories and whatnot. >_>

We need a D&D movie that doesnt suck.... I will settle for another Halloween movie that has some fucking closure.

[Omacron]

I don't care, but if Cronenberg does the Silmarillion in the style of Naked Lunch, I'll jizz in my theater seat.

[Drz]

Is there anything speficic you'd like to see from a Silmarillion movie? I'd love tos ee the love story where the Beorn/Bern guy saves his chick from the wolf and vampire-bat. =P What was that bear-humans name again? Think Bearn was the Hobbit one so. :/

PS. Seeing the Elves descend into Middle-Earth and seeing Melkor rise in power would be awesome too tho!

[Yuber8900]

Beornings.

[xie323]

Is there anything speficic you'd like to see from a Silmarillion movie? I'd love tos ee the love story where the Beorn/Bern guy saves his chick from the wolf and vampire-bat. =P What was that bear-humans name again? Think Bearn was the Hobbit one so. :/

PS. Seeing the Elves descend into Middle-Earth and seeing Melkor rise in power would be awesome too tho!

That was Beren and Luthien from the Simularrion. They died before hobbit took place.

[Drz]

Thanks Xie, but please shorten your signature its too silly and long! ;/

[ARM3481]

He confirmed this already in an interview. I know things change, but as of now that are his plans. He said the first will be about the Hobbit, and the 2nd will be a tie-in story to Peter Jackson's films. There is just too much to fill in there and not enough story imho.

Well, a number of significant things were occurring elsewhere while Bilbo's adventure took place. In particular, around that time the White Council assembled a force and ousted Sauron (in the form of the Necromancer) from the Mirkwood where he had begun rebuilding his power. Those events are only related later in passing and without many details, but elaborating upon them could allow for a movie "bridging" the way to LotR, since it deals with the activities of characters like Saruman, Galadriel and even Sauron himself prior to their roles in the trilogy.

Admittedly, it'd be trickier to deal with. The Hobbits are in many ways the relatable characters through which readers (or viewers, as it were) enter Tolkien's world; even the humans of Middle Earth are often a rather stodgy lot given to formalized "epic-speak", while the Hobbits provide the primary source of folksy and semi-normal behavior that's easier for most people to connect with, so a story entirely without them could come across as less relatable to the average person. If everyone's delivering grim-faced pronouncements, citing ancient history and recounting lineages left-and-right, it makes it harder to become immersed in the experience without somebody who talks like a normal person.

[Omacron]

Maybe the second film could be about Tom Bombadil?

No?

*cries*

[Drz]

The 2nd movie is about what happened between the timelines, like Aragorn hunting down Gollum in the swamps, the meeting with Gandalf and others and so forth and so forth.

You know since were speaking about LOTR, let me tell one thing i hated about the movie: Saruman making Uruk-Hai. Sauron in the book had made Uruk-Hai about 100-300 years before Saruman, and Saruman just made half-orcs himself but bah! :(

[Timolas]

At least Jackson's returning to the producer's seat with the Hobbit movie and whatever the other film will be (I hope it'll be called "Aragorn's Wacky Adventures Before Fellowship Took Place", that'd be awesome).

Heehee. Prequels.

I will enjoy whatever they make, especially with a combo like Peter Jackson and Del Torro. That really has potential.

[Lon-ami]

Del Torro? Roflol xDDD

It's "Del Toro" :P.

[Timolas]

Del Torro? Roflol xDDD

It's "Del Toro" :P.

Close enough!

[Lon-ami]

Don't worry about that. See:

Del Torro.

You ain't alone.

Del Torror and Jackson have a similar visual style. I'd also check out Del Torro's Spanish-language film "Pan's Labyrinth". It's the best fantasy film since the LOTR Trilogy.

Yeah, I loved it too. Watch it original version, the voices are really really worked. Alatriste is a good movie too.

Simularrion

Oh... that was unexpected.

[Kalenvor]

I'm really beginning to wonder if this movie is even going to be made. From what little i've been able to find on the web about it, it sounds like Blizzard is having trouble because of the level of involvment that they want in the proudction.TBH, I'd rather never see it than to see Blizzard cave and let some asshat have the rights to the film and make it in to total garbage :sweatdrop

[Drz]

I'm really beginning to wonder if this movie is even going to be made. From what little i've been able to find on the web about it, it sounds like Blizzard is having trouble because of the level of involvment that they want in the proudction.TBH, I'd rather never see it than to see Blizzard cave and let some asshat have the rights to the film and make it in to total garbage :sweatdrop

We just gotta wait and see who will screenwrite it and direct it, i hope it will be a Warcraft fan tbh, or someone visionary who wants to make a good movie with a fluid story.

[Mark_Romaneck]

We just gotta wait and see who will screenwrite it and direct it, i hope it will be a Warcraft fan tbh, or someone visionary who wants to make a good movie with a fluid story.

Retcons left and right yay

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

Retcons left and right yay

Impossible to have retcons when its not even the same continuity.

[Drz]

Fail Mark, Fail! ;)

[Orcish_Warrior]

Im just a little dissapointed that the WC movie won't be entirely CGI (like the cool cinematics), but a live-action movie.
Although I undestrand that making a full CGI movie with that kind of detail must cost a lot and take a long time to make, not to mention that the cinematics last only for a few minutes...
I just hope that the script doesn't suck and the special effects would be very realistic.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

I don't know why anyone would want a fully CGI movie over live action. Not only do adult-oriented cartoons do horrbible box office, but with the level of technology there is today it isn't like orcs won't look like orcs in a live action movie. They will.

[Kenzuki]

The WC movie will bring more retcons. I say we treat it as Apocryphal in regardes to the Canon.

[Lon-ami]

Let's wait...

I'm sure that, if Blizzard doesn't control everything, we'll see blue orcs with machineguns assaulting Teldrassil.

Or something EVEN worse:

Gnomes.

[Wulfang]

The WC movie will bring more retcons. I say we treat it as Apocryphal in regardes to the Canon.

No need.

Impossible to have retcons when its not even the same continuity.

[Karthak]

Impossible to have retcons when its not even the same continuity.

It's not in the same continuity? Well, I do believe my interest in the movie just got shot between the eyes.

[Aldrius]

I don't know why anyone would want a fully CGI movie over live action. Not only do adult-oriented cartoons do horrbible box office, but with the level of technology there is today it isn't like orcs won't look like orcs in a live action movie. They will.

Ever heard of the Uncanny Valley?

[Omacron]

Ever heard of the Uncanny Valley?

As someone who deals in robotics and is an avid student of Japanese consumer robotics... yes. Yes I am.


My robotics team was invited to a tradeshow where a Japanese company was exhibiting a robot secretary, and I shit my pants in fear.

[ARM3481]

Ever heard of the Uncanny Valley?

CGI seems to do a better job of portraying human beings when used in tandem with live action. Human characters in fully CGI movies tend to end up looking creepy and "not-quite-human", but with a majority of live actors alongside the computer-generated characters for comparison throughout the film, they more frequently seem to somehow pull it off believably.

It's almost like the animators subconsciously don't try as hard to attain realism when there aren't flesh-and-blood humans onscreen to provide an interactive frame of reference.

[Omacron]

CGI seems to do a better job of portraying human beings when used in tandem with live action. Human characters in fully CGI movies tend to end up looking creepy and "not-quite-human", but with a majority of live actors alongside the computer-generated characters for comparison throughout the film, they more frequently seem to somehow pull it off believably.

It's almost like the animators subconsciously don't try as hard to attain realism when there aren't flesh-and-blood humans onscreen to provide an interactive frame of reference.

The thing is... human flesh is very fucking hard to animate. Its color is achieved thanks to millions of blood vessels underneath partially translucent skin... which will never be replicated. Sure, a cartoon-ish human is fine, but if you're striving for any degree of realism (par example, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within), you're gonna fall flat.



But with things like Orcs and Draenei, there's no way for green or blue skin to look "unrealistic" since it doesn't exist, now does it?

[Mark_Romaneck]

Id like to see an Alliance hero that has flaws that dont make him an asshat while still staying true to the path of justice

[ARM3481]

The thing is... human flesh is very fucking hard to animate. Its color is achieved thanks to millions of blood vessels underneath partially translucent skin... which will never be replicated. Sure, a cartoon-ish human is fine, but if you're striving for any degree of realism (par example, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within), you're gonna fall flat.

The realism factor is also influenced by the fact that, as a species, humans associate the appearances of each other's faces with identity a lot more than many (likely most) other creatures do. The face is most often the initial point of reference we use to recognize each other. So, inconsistencies in realistic coloration, placement of features and facial movement stand out rather starkly when we see them.

My point was just that for full CGI films, the Uncanny Valley seems to have remained so prevalent that most animators opt for stylized proportions and methods in order to avoid it; in other words, rather than going for a CGI representation of real life, they create the impression of a traditional cartoon character, only in CGI.

Yet inversely it seems like live-acted films, in which one would think a CGI character would stand out like a sore thumb among all of the flesh-and-blood people, the animation seems to be done more effectively when used in place of stunt doubles or to effect "transformations" upon the actors' appearances.

In other words, animators frequently seem to be better at overcoming the Uncanny Valley in movies where they have a background of real-life people and environments in which to work than when the entire world they're animating is CGI.

[Omacron]

Yet inversely it seems like live-acted films, in which one would think a CGI character would stand out like a sore thumb among all of the flesh-and-blood people, the animation seems to be done more effectively when used in place of stunt doubles or to effect "transformations" upon the actors' appearances.

In other words, animators frequently seem to be better at overcoming the Uncanny Valley in movies where they have a background of real-life people and environments in which to work than when the entire world they're animating is CGI.

That's probably because a live action movie that only does "effects" and "Transformations" in CGI can consolidate their budget into those scenes. :D

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

Or the fact that if they have live actors the only thing they have to animate is usually aliens/monsters/etc. or mass crowds from a far distance.