The Silver Hand Races

[Einherjan]

I have been doing some research on the Knights of the Silver Hand for a while now. (I role-play as a paladin who was formerly in the Hand.) Something strikes me as odd though. I noticed on the right pane of the SH article on WoWwiki, that there were High-Elves in the Hand. Arator's Half-Elf though, right?

Any ideas? Are there other members floating around out there that we don't know of?

(Sorry, I am new if it sounds like a relatively scrub question.)

[Lon-ami]

I suspect that all the old-alliance paladin races were allowed into the Silver Hand. That means:
-Dwarves
-High Elves
-Humans

There could have been a gnome or wild dwarf around, but, well, the exceptions to the rule.

Any other races couldn't be inside the order, since it disbanded during the third war.

Note that some blood elves could have been former paladins that loosed the light.

Welcome, anyway ;).

[Einherjan]

Well, sure. Any alliance race that followed the Light could join. I just think it's weird that it would include races that were not actually already part of the order. Since I am looking at the member list, and I only see Arator. Who knows though. I bet there were some in the lower ranks. Just no one named though.

[Fordragon]

Well, Arator IS Turalyon's son. I don't think his race is super relevant to whether or not he's in the Silver Hand.

[Einherjan]

Well, Arator IS Turalyon's son. I don't think his race is super relevant to whether or not he's in the Silver Hand.

It isn't. I was just wondering if any of you heard of an actual named High-Elf in the ranks of the Hand.

[Omacron]

We don't know many named characters from the silver hand, period.

[Einherjan]

I thought so. Thanks for the input though.

[Lon-ami]

I think that you could get the name of a former high elf paladin.

Just check the dialogs and quests of the blood elf paladins. Some of them were.

I only remember one right now: the one sending you to defile Uther's tomb. He was Uther's student long ago.

[Fordragon]

And Uther was Alonsus Faol's student, that doesn't make him a Priest. Honestly, the High Elves were in the Alliance for such a short time, and half-assing it for most of that time.

[Xarthat]

And Uther was Alonsus Faol's student, that doesn't make him a Priest. Honestly, the High Elves were in the Alliance for such a short time, and half-assing it for most of that time.

Uther WAS a priest, before he became the first of the Silver Hand, as far as I know. That would mean to me that the aforementioned Blood Elf was a Paladin as a High Elf and possibly is now Blood Knight.

[Dovekeeper]

Uther WAS a priest, before he became the first of the Silver Hand, as far as I know. That would mean to me that the aforementioned Blood Elf was a Paladin as a High Elf and possibly is now Blood Knight.

Actually according to the Tides of darkness book, all the original paladins were knights with the exception of Turalyon who was a cleric.

[Xarthat]

Ah, okay. So I was wrong. Nevertheless, paladin is in its definition a kind of a martial cleric. Which means that Uther must have learnt "cleric" part from Faol, no matter if before or after the paladinism.

[Einherjan]

Ah, okay. So I was wrong. Nevertheless, paladin is in its definition a kind of a martial cleric. Which means that Uther must have learnt "cleric" part from Faol, no matter if before or after the paladinism.

Yeah, I seem to recall that actually.

[Fordragon]

Ah, okay. So I was wrong. Nevertheless, paladin is in its definition a kind of a martial cleric. Which means that Uther must have learnt "cleric" part from Faol, no matter if before or after the paladinism.

You're kind of nit-picking. The thing is that Uther, like Faol, was a multi-talented man. Just because you were Uther's student, that doesn't make you a member of the Knights of the Silver Hand any more than Uther became a member of the Clerics of Northshire. You could learn a lot from the dude, not just Paladin Stuff.

[Dovekeeper]

You're kind of nit-picking. The thing is that Uther, like Faol, was a multi-talented man. Just because you were Uther's student, that doesn't make you a member of the Knights of the Silver Hand any more than Uther became a member of the Clerics of Northshire. You could learn a lot from the dude, not just Paladin Stuff.

Kinda like how Arthas did not automatically become a mountain king after being taught by Muradin.?

[Fordragon]

Well, there's also the problem where that baby-faced little punk who can't hold his liquor would get laughed right out of Ironforge.

[Zula]

Well I think there is Blood elf in the plague lands who was a member of the silver hand.

[Urth]

Well it would certainly be cleaner for the Lore had Metzen decided to make Adon a Silver Hand Paladin Trainer, but they decided to go with the "we are badass windchime suckers" Blood Knight thing.

Heavy handedness strikes again, but that was a LONG time ago.

[Drz]

Well I think there is Blood elf in the plague lands who was a member of the silver hand.

Yep. He felt betrayed by Uther and wanted to defile his grave until the spirit of Uther comes and just says "i understand your anger but dont be a dumbass, you dumbass" and then the Paladin realizes he needs to do something more to torture Uther!

[Urth]

Melhar Dawnblade is a Silver Hander?

"I was once a pupil of Uther Lightbringer, founder of the Knights of the Silver Hand. I saw how he mishandled Prince Arthas's training. It led to the destruction of my homeland, Quel'Thalas, and I blame Uther and his incompetence for all of it! And now he has a tomb in his honor - how lovely.

My sources tell me that the scarlet fools are keeping one of his 'holy' relics atop their guard tower near the gates of Hearthglen.

Go to the Western Plaguelands and retrieve it for me."

Haha looks like he was.

[Einherjan]

Melhar Dawnblade is a Silver Hander?

Unless he had a change of heart. He's the guy that gives you the quest to go defile Uther's tomb.

[Lon-ami]

Unless he had a change of heart. He's the guy that gives you the quest to go defile Uther's tomb.

Former member is former member.

As far as I know, there's no blood elf Silver Hand member anywhere.

[Zula]

Former member is former member.

As far as I know, there's no blood elf Silver Hand member anywhere.

Not now but he was.

[Omacron]

Not now but he was.

Well, he was a high elf at the time.

[Dovekeeper]

Well it would certainly be cleaner for the Lore had Metzen decided to make Adon a Silver Hand Paladin Trainer, but they decided to go with the "we are badass windchime suckers" Blood Knight thing.

Heavy handedness strikes again, but that was a LONG time ago.

The reason Blood Elfs need an external source of holy energy to channel unlike their High Elf and Human counter parts is because of their Fel corruption. Once have become corrupted by fel energies you can no longer tap into the light naturally. Much like how non Mag'har orcs can not use the light, or even more accurate Broken.

They sucked from the windchimes (or their new sunwell now) because they can not channel the light themselves due to the fel corruption.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

I don't know about that. We haven't seen Maghar using the light either. It doesn't mean they can't, just that they don't. Its not their culture.

We've seen people go to the dark side, and come back and use the light. The Draenei in Netherstorm during the Socrethar encounter for example lost his ability to use the light and went bad, until he repented and it returned to him.

I wouldn't take it as a hard and fast rule that once you've been hit with fel that you can never use the light.

[Fordragon]

It's certainly not a one-time exposure deal. I think we can safely say that if you become exposed to the degree where it changes you genetically (like Orcs, Broken or Blood Elves) then yes, your personal Light has been put out. But if it was a simple matter of a one-time exposure, why wouldn't the Legion make their new plan to Chaos Bolt everyone so that nobody can channel it anymore?

But the thing is, people who lose the Light and then come back lose it for personal reasons, like that Draenei. People who can't have been corrupted by Fel exposure. Basically, there's won't, and can't.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

Why would the Legion not use whatever "gas" they used in Unbroken that severed all the Draenei exposed to it from the light and slowly turned them into Broken? That was one time exposure and you're fucked.


I don't think its been confirmed anywhere that green orcs can't use the Light anymore than it has been confirmed that brown orcs can, nor has it been stated that Blood Elves cannot use the light naturally without a conduit.

We never saw a troll use the light, until Zabra. We've never seen a Tauren use the Light, but what would restrict them? Its just not part of their culture, and their faith is placed elsewhere.

I mean, humans and dwarves were both genetically changed by the spell of an evil power but they can still use the light.

[Fordragon]

As can various other forms of Elves, who were changed by the presence of the Well of Eternity, highly-concentrated Arcane magic.

The thing is, though, neither of those things are Fel energy, which sever your tie to the Light.

[ARM3481]

The thing is, the strange mist that twisted many of the Draenei into Broken is pretty vague in its origins and intended purpose; indeed, it's only represented at all in the online tale Unbroken, and in that story it's described by a confused and disoriented Akama who wouldn't have known anything about it beyond what it did to him and his kin. The only source of orc-sided history from that time period - namely, Rise of the Horde - makes no mention whatsoever of any such weapon being deployed by the Horde. In it, the arcane and Light-given powers of the Draenei are pretty much just portrayed as already not being enough to overcome the orcs' sheer numbers and fel magcs, rather than suggesting that the Horde ever would have needed some sort of ace-in-the-hole to neutralize the powers of the Draenei.

Hopefully we'll learn something more about it someday, but so far there's nothing properly explaining where the red mist came from, if the orcs were indeed deploying it themselves, or whether the mutation of the Draenei was deliberate or simply an unexpected side-effect of exposure to some demonic spell that was being cast by the Horde's warlocks for some other reason.

Might even be that the inability to call upon the Light among the Broken isn't actually a result of outright being forcibly cut off from it. Perhaps the Light refuses to answer their call because it could potentially harm their fel-corrupted bodies if it did. Despite not being considered an actual entity with a self-awareness or singular identity, the Light still seems at times to protect those who revere it without needing to be asked, and maybe it withdrew its power from the Broken to protect them as they physically became closer to demons, while mentally remaining intact.

EDIT: Bah, correction there. Just re-read BtDP and had the title stuck in my mind. Fixed it to Rise of the Horde. :rolleyes:

Still the basic point remains: the red mist is pretty vaguely explained and we've not bee told completely just what it was and what it truly did.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

The thing is, though, neither of those things are Fel energy, which sever your tie to the Light.

Source? Because I've never seen that specifically stated.

What happened to the Draenei was more than simple exposure, as ARM said we don't know exactly what that red mist was.