Origin of the Worgen Curse: Omen?

[HalfElfDragon]

While the origin of the Worgen (http://www.wowwiki.com/Worgen) Curse is not known, we do know a few things about its origin; that it originated from a secretive Night Elf Druid group, and that it came from either the War of the Ancient or the 3rd War, the former being the more likely. It is often speculated that the Curse originated from a cursed Druid form of the wolf. Assuming that is true, what caused the form to be cursed?

Perhaps Omen (http://www.wowwiki.com/Omen) is the answer. An ancient Demigod blessed by Elune herself, he wandered ancient Kalimdor. It is not unlikely that, given Omen's connection to Elune, the Night Elves would revere him. However, during the War of the Ancients, Omen was injured and fell into a great slumber, where he was corrupted; when he awoke, he had been transformed into something corrupt. After a spree of terror, he was defeated and imprisoned in Moonglade.

Given this, it seems that the Worgen Curse may have originated from a Druid Wolf Form based off of Omen, which fell into a corrupted state along with the Demigod, and eventually became a curse.

Thoughts?

[Lon-ami]

WHoA, nice connection, indeed.

What if Omen blessed some night elf druids during the WotA and then, pum!, he got corrupted, making those night elves unable to get the "blessing" off.

It gives too much to think.

About the "worgen realm", I wouldn't be surprised if they were chained in a prison of sorts, managed by the green dragonflight.

[AndyJP]

Now I thought that during the Scythe of Elune quests, we're told that the Worgen are from another world. Is everything retcon now?

Now I wonder what would happen if the curse of Worgen and the plague of undeath had a baby.

[Falarson]

Nice theory!
Perhaps we could see this playing in next year's Lunar Festival. Omen and Goldrinn are the only entities that tie the Night Elves with wolves as far as I know. Who knows, Goldrinn could even have turned into Omen after getting corrupted.

[Drz]

Now I thought that during the Scythe of Elune quests, we're told that the Worgen are from another world. Is everything retcon now?

I'd rather say the people who presumed Worgen we're just wrong themselves. Kinda like Brann's drunken adventures.

[Lon-ami]

They came from another "world".

World can be interpretated as many things.

We only know that there, they fought an enemy, whose name was "Lords of the Emmerald Flame".

-Burning Legion
-Green dragonflight
-Unknown

Seeing as how they are druids, I reinforce my theory that that enemy was the green dragonflight.

[Rolandius]

Nice theory!
Perhaps we could see this playing in next year's Lunar Festival. Omen and Goldrinn are the only entities that tie the Night Elves with wolves as far as I know. Who knows, Goldrinn could even have turned into Omen after getting corrupted.

I think that theory was on WoWWiki. The Goldrinn into Omen I mean.

[RobLore]

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I thought the quests stated that they were from another dimension .
I have always thought that they came from the Emerald Dream but everybody else seems to think that they are from some planet in the Twisting Nether and that the Lords of the Emerald Flame is the Burning Legion.

We will know for sure in Cataclysm Beta. :)

[Rolandius]

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I thought the quests stated that they were from another dimension .
I have always thought that they came from the Emerald Dream but everybody else seems to think that they are from some planet in the Twisting Nether and that the Lords of the Emerald Flame is the Burning Legion.

We will know for sure in Cataclysm Beta. :)

Some people think that the Lords of the Emerald Flame are the green dragonflight. The quest did say dimension, that they had their own language, and they were losing a war.

[Mandrabel]

Now I thought that during the Scythe of Elune quests, we're told that the Worgen are from another world. Is everything retcon now?

Now I wonder what would happen if the curse of Worgen and the plague of undeath had a baby.

We're told that Velinde believed that they were from another world. Personally, I like the idea of a prison.

It's possible that the scythe was a gift from Elune meant to bind beings/races, i.e. the demons in Felwood, to some prison, but Velinde accidentally started releasing the worgen.

[Revenant]

We're told that Velinde believed that they were from another world. Personally, I like the idea of a prison.

The keyword here is "believed". She had a vision, and was wrong about it. The WotA Azeroth likely looked a lot different, so even if they were summoned from the past, it is not a retcon.

[Omacron]

What did the Europeans call America when it was first discovered? The "new world". It could be that, to the people of the EK, Kalimdor is the "New World", and, ergo, if they originated on Kalimdor, they were from another world.

[Mandrabel]

What did the Europeans call America when it was first discovered? The "new world". It could be that, to the people of the EK, Kalimdor is the "New World", and, ergo, if they originated on Kalimdor, they were from another world.

Ah, but it was Velinde who said that they were other-worldly. We know for a fact that they did not originate in EK, so we can't say that this is a figurative new world.

[Revenant]

What did the Europeans call America when it was first discovered? The "new world". It could be that, to the people of the EK, Kalimdor is the "New World", and, ergo, if they originated on Kalimdor, they were from another world.

Velinde started out on Kalimdor. Her Journal just says "...and I was able to draw the worgen into our world." That is the only hint that says that they came from another. She calls the EK the New World, oddly.

[Omacron]

"Our world", I suppose, doesn't necessarily rule out time travel, which is what I do believe the scythe actually does. After all, "world" is derived from the old English "Were eld" meaning "age of man", a time period rather than a place.

[Mandrabel]

"Our world", I suppose, doesn't necessarily rule out time travel, which is what I do believe the scythe actually does. After all, "world" is derived from the old English "Were eld" meaning "age of man", a time period rather than a place.


We're really going to need blizz to flesh out the scythe story and tell us exactly what it does. I'll go back to the idea of a prison only because I doubt the eternal godess of love and light for the night elves would doom her people and the world by giving them werewolves. It would, however, make sense for Elune to give her people a way of imprisoning their enemies forever. Of course, how/why Velinde messed up would have to be included (read Old Gods did it). Really, this thing could go either way, everything is up in the air for the worgen right now.

[Volkrin]

I'm still working off my theory that the Worgen are the sapient race tied to Lo'Gosh/Goldrinn, sorta like the Furbolgs and the bear twins. As for the curse, I think it may either be a corruption stemming from an overexposure to fel energy while fighting the Legion, a corruption stemming from the energies they were exposed to when they were ripped through time/space by the scythe and Arugal, or a bit of both.

[Lon-ami]

That's it.

The prison of the castle of the moon.

My senseless theory about Elune and the worgen being at the White Lady has proven true!

:P

[Mandrabel]

That's it.

The prison of the castle of the moon.

My senseless theory about Elune and the worgen being at the White Lady has proven true!

:P

I'd assume it's not a physical prison, but nice try.

[HalfElfDragon]

We're really going to need blizz to flesh out the scythe story and tell us exactly what it does. I'll go back to the idea of a prison only because I doubt the eternal godess of love and light for the night elves would doom her people and the world by giving them werewolves. It would, however, make sense for Elune to give her people a way of imprisoning their enemies forever. Of course, how/why Velinde messed up would have to be included (read Old Gods did it). Really, this thing could go either way, everything is up in the air for the worgen right now.
I think the Scythe of Elune just pulled them through time to modern day, as Metzen said "Are the Worgen from somewhere else... or somewhen else"

[Lon-ami]

I think the Scythe of Elune just pulled them through time to modern day, as Metzen said "Are the Worgen from somewhere else... or somewhen else"

The moon has a different rotation time, thus the time issue.

You ignorants! The White Lady is the answer to everything! xDDD

[Mandrabel]

The moon has a different rotation time, thus the time issue.

You ignorants! The White Lady is the answer to everything! xDDD

So...

Elune is an Old God?

[Lon-ami]

So...

Elune is an Old God?

No!

She's an...

...

Old Goddess!

...

Nah, she doesn't need to be an Old God to be awesome as hell (or moon, in this case).

[Mandrabel]

No!

She's an...

...

Old Goddess!

...

Nah, she doesn't need to be an Old God to be awesome as hell (or moon, in this case).

Not to be awesome--just the answer to everything.

[Omacron]

I maintain that Elune has some connection to the WoE, either being a manifestation of it or a titan creation linked to it.

[Volkrin]

I maintain that Elune has some connection to the WotA, either being a manifestation of it or a titan creation linked to it.

When you say WotA, are you referring to the War of the Ancients? If so, I really have no idea how Elune could be manifested of it, as she was being worshiped far before the highborn ever got a whiff of demons.

[Mandrabel]

I maintain that Elune has some connection to the WotA, either being a manifestation of it or a titan creation linked to it.

Did the Night Elves not begin worshiping her either just before or during the war?

[Lon-ami]

Nope, Elune was worshiped way before the WotA started, gentlemen.

Or do you just believe those temples popped up all of a sudden or something?

I'd say she has been with them since they were born, 400 years before the WotA.

As for who she is, one of my theories is that she's WoE's Anveena, something like its avatar; or she could just be its guardian/watcher.

[Mandrabel]

Nope, Elune was worshiped way before the WotA started, gentlemen.

Or do you just believe those temples popped up all of a sudden or something?

I'd say she has been with them since they were born, 400 years before the WotA.

As for who she is, one of my theories is that she's WoE's Anveena, something like its avatar; or she could just be its guardian/watcher.

But Anveena was no goddess.

Perhaps we can draw some conclusions about her identity from the Tauren myths of her and An'she?

We know that the Tauren worship the Earthmother, whose eyes are supposed to be the sun and moon, or Elune and <insert unnamed sun god here>. Perhaps, when Azeroth was ordered by the Titans, its planetary spirit (yes I did just make that up on the spot) fragmented slightly and the result was two opposing, sentient forces which act upon the world?

[Ashendant]

But Anveena was no goddess.

Perhaps we can draw some conclusions about her identity from the Tauren myths of her and An'she?

We know that the Tauren worship the Earthmother, whose eyes are supposed to be the sun and moon, or Elune and <insert unnamed sun god here>. Perhaps, when Azeroth was ordered by the Titans, its planetary spirit (yes I did just make that up on the spot) fragmented slightly and the result was two opposing, sentient forces which act upon the world?

...http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?p=158165#post158165
this is my theory about that

[RobLore]

As an atheist I have always made-up inside my mind that Elune CANT be a goddess and was a Titan that watched over Azeroth during the Ordering and remained here. (shes in ED now).

[Omacron]

When you say WotA, are you referring to the War of the Ancients? If so, I really have no idea how Elune could be manifested of it, as she was being worshiped far before the highborn ever got a whiff of demons.

My bad, I meant WoE, not WotA. I'll correct myself.

[Revenant]

We know that the Tauren worship the Earthmother, whose eyes are supposed to be the sun and moon, or Elune and <insert unnamed sun god here>. Perhaps, when Azeroth was ordered by the Titans, its planetary spirit (yes I did just make that up on the spot) fragmented slightly and the result was two opposing, sentient forces which act upon the world?

They do not seem to be opposing each other, even if that were true.

As an atheist I have always made-up inside my mind that Elune CANT be a goddess and was a Titan that watched over Azeroth during the Ordering and remained here. (shes in ED now).

Whether God exists in real life or not, Blizzard can make whatever they want happen in their fiction.

[Mandrabel]

They do not seem to be opposing each other, even if that were true.





That's not quite how I meant it. It's more how red opposes blue, in that they are opposites, rather than how the U.S. opposes Al Qaeda, in that they fight each other.

[Stormcrusher]

That's not quite how I meant it. It's more how red opposes blue, in that they are opposites, rather than how the U.S. opposes Al Qaeda, in that they fight each other.

What if the Lords of the Emerald Flame aren't the Green Dragonflight per say, but the armies of the Nightmare in the Emerald Dream.

Maybe the original Worgen were taken to the Emerald Dream since they were druids afterall, and were kept by the Green Dragons, there with the help of the other druids and the green dragons they sought a cure. Maybe some of them regained control. But the Nightmare overtook their Green Dragon guardians and they worgen are now at war with the Nightmare. Perhaps they now fight for Malfurion in the Emerald dream. Maybe making quite good warriors in the fight.

When Malfurion returns to Azeroth in Cataclysm perhaps he learns of the Worgen of Gilneas and their potential cure, he seeks to ally with them and teach them druidism.

[HalfElfDragon]

What if the Lords of the Emerald Flame aren't the Green Dragonflight per say, but the armies of the Nightmare in the Emerald Dream.

Maybe the original Worgen were taken to the Emerald Dream since they were druids afterall, and were kept by the Green Dragons, there with the help of the other druids and the green dragons they sought a cure. Maybe some of them regained control. But the Nightmare overtook their Green Dragon guardians and they worgen are now at war with the Nightmare. Perhaps they now fight for Malfurion in the Emerald dream. Maybe making quite good warriors in the fight.

When Malfurion returns to Azeroth in Cataclysm perhaps he learns of the Worgen of Gilneas and their potential cure, he seeks to ally with them and teach them druidism.

I still think that the Lords of the Emerald Flame refers to the Burning Legion. If it was just "Lord of the Emerald" or something similar I could believe it was the Green Flight, or at least connected

[Aneurysm]

What I don't get about the Worgen, is how they are "old allies with the Night Elves" or whatever they say in the cinematic.

The worgen in Gilneas aren't the feral evil worgen that was summoned with the scythe. They are humans of Gilneas who turned to worgen.

How does that make Gilnean people and Night Elves allies?

[HalfElfDragon]

What I don't get about the Worgen, is how they are "old allies with the Night Elves" or whatever they say in the cinematic.

The worgen in Gilneas aren't the feral evil worgen that was summoned with the scythe. They are humans of Gilneas who turned to worgen.

How does that make Gilnean people and Night Elves allies?

Becuase its speculated that the 'evil' worgen are cursed Night Elves, or at least were; the transformation might be irreversible. Those cursed Night Elves used to be allies with non cursed Night Elves. The cursed spread the Worgen Curse to Gilneas. Its a bit of a stretch, so I think the trailer was just trying to sound cool

[Mandrabel]

What I don't get about the Worgen, is how they are "old allies with the Night Elves" or whatever they say in the cinematic.

The worgen in Gilneas aren't the feral evil worgen that was summoned with the scythe. They are humans of Gilneas who turned to worgen.

How does that make Gilnean people and Night Elves allies?

It's not the night elves, it the alliance in general.

What they are saying is that the Gilneans' old allies (the Alliance) will reach out to them again.

[Omacron]

No, I think it's that the night elves feel responsible for a curse that originated with them spread to the Gilneans, so they go to help them.

[Volkrin]

Or it could be that the worgen fought alongside the Night Elves during the war of the Ancients. I know what you're thinking, Velinde was surprised by them, which would suggest that they were an unknown to the Kal'Dorei, but Metzen's hints towards time travel does lead me to believe that there may be a little pseudo-retcon to establish them as native Azerothians.

As an aside, why does everyone think the Lords of the Emerald Flame is the nightmare? We don't know that the scythe of Elune actually came from Elune, which means that any connection to the Emerald Dream is tenuous at best. Sentinel Starsong named that thing, and had she been so inclined the Worgen could have be brought to Azeroth by the Stick of Lost Socks. It seems like people hear the word emerald and that little word association part of their brain goes "ding!"

That being said, if there is any actual proof that the scythe came from Elune, and that the connection is deeper than a desperate soldier looking for a sign, then feel free to correct me.

[HalfElfDragon]

Or it could be that the worgen fought alongside the Night Elves during the war of the Ancients. I know what you're thinking, Velinde was surprised by them, which would suggest that they were an unknown to the Kal'Dorei, but Metzen's hints towards time travel does lead me to believe that there may be a little pseudo-retcon to establish them as native Azerothians.

Thats sorta the theory. Sorta. See, we need a way for the Worgen Curse to originate as well. The basic theory is that a group of druids in the WotA accidentally created the Worgen Curse, but all the Worgen, and almost all records of them, were either destroyed or brought forwards in time via Scythe of Elune.

As an aside, why does everyone think the Lords of the Emerald Flame is the nightmare? We don't know that the scythe of Elune actually came from Elune, which means that any connection to the Emerald Dream is tenuous at best. Sentinel Starsong named that thing, and had she been so inclined the Worgen could have be brought to Azeroth by the Stick of Lost Socks. It seems like people hear the word emerald and that little word association part of their brain goes "ding!"

I don't. Until now, I never knew the belief was so common. I still think its the Burning Legion

As for the Scythe of Elune, it may very well be an 'Old Gods did it' situation, seeing as they have already messed with the WotA history

[ARM3481]

Of course, then there's the other time travel possibility that the "evil" Worgen come from a future where the Burning Legion is winning, they're all that's left resisting the demons on Azeroth, and they either succumbed to their curse entirely or became corrupted.

If that were true, they could turn out to actually be either the Gilnean Worgen or their descendants.

[HalfElfDragon]

Of course, then there's the other time travel possibility that the "evil" Worgen come from a future where the Burning Legion is winning, they're all that's left resisting the demons on Azeroth, and they either succumbed to their curse entirely or became corrupted.

If that were true, they could turn out to actually be either the Gilnean Worgen or their descendants.

So basically a Predestination Paradox (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StableTimeLoop?from=Main.PredestinationParadox)? Not a big fan of the idea, but it could be

[ARM3481]

So basically a Predestination Paradox (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StableTimeLoop?from=Main.PredestinationParadox)? Not a big fan of the idea, but it could be

Nor am I. Then again, applied time travel in general ("applied" being that it's to actually affect change and not just visiting to see how things were/might be) nauseates me anyway when it's not in a medium that uses it as the main premise (in short, a show/book/movie primarily about time travel), so either way it ends up being, in my opinion at least, an unnecessary use of the plot device.

In the end such things invariably seem to just confuse the issue and I always have a sneaking suspicion that whenever time travel in a story leaves me wondering which events really happened, the writers act all mysterious about it not out of any premeditated reasoning, but because they used the time travel "for fun" without thinking and didn't bother making sure that it made sense. In other words, they don't get it either, and they just mask their own lack of understanding by acting all mysterious and vague about it.

Case in point, WotA. We've got a vague "Nozdormu fixed things" ending that doesn't tell us whether he outright rebooted it to match the original history while only leaving the memories of the characters from the present intact, or if we ended up with a new official history that's a slipshod mishmash of both timelines. Of course, the fact that he "fixed" anything at all trumps the possibility that the novels' representations are outright the true course of events now.

And to think, it would be at least partly answered if we knew whether or not modern-day Krasus has any coherent real-time recollection of meeting his older self back when he was still young. Cause he certainly didn't have any as his older self while meeting his younger self.

It's why I think time travel is one big needless invitation for a mess. Like the writers had a choice between creating a headache and not creating one, and they arbitrarily chose the former.

[Volkrin]

I think it would be a hell of a lot easier to just say the taint bled through when Velinde used the scythe and somehow infected a bit of native fauna. I can't recall what the exact circumstances of the summonings were, whether or not the worgen popped into existence, walked through a portal, or were just mysteriously standing there when she turned around, like batman, I can't recall.

[HalfElfDragon]

I think it would be a hell of a lot easier to just say the taint bled through when Velinde used the scythe and somehow infected a bit of native fauna. I can't recall what the exact circumstances of the summonings were, whether or not the worgen popped into existence, walked through a portal, or were just mysteriously standing there when she turned around, like batman, I can't recall.

Because its the one I like most, I vote 'like Batman'

[Wart]

How does that make Gilnean people and Night Elves allies?

If the Night Elves never found a cure for the curse, and the Gilneans have, then they are possibly in a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" alliance. I'd imagine there are Night Elves with cursed relatives that could now be potentially saved. In return, since their new Worgen forms are druidic in nature, the Night Elves can offer guidence to the Gilneans.

[Divinity]

What I don't get about the Worgen, is how they are "old allies with the Night Elves" or whatever they say in the cinematic.

The worgen in Gilneas aren't the feral evil worgen that was summoned with the scythe. They are humans of Gilneas who turned to worgen.

How does that make Gilnean people and Night Elves allies?

Well my take on it was that the Night Elves had a way of stabalising form, except when adrenaline was pumping and had travelled to Gilneas to share this with the Worgen.

A possible storyline would be that during the time between Velinde "disapearing" and Cataclysym, Velinde has been working alongside the Worgen that she summoned to help them retake their original form, upon doing so she discovers that they are in fact Night Elves summoned from the past. She then follows up stories of Worgen infestation in Gilneas and heads there to help them to stabalise their form using druidic powers... hence why Worgen can use the druid class.

[Cantus]

Pardon the interruption, but by all accounts isn't Velinde either dead or at the very least no longer in control of the Scythe? If even the second is true I doubt she'd be able to get close enough to the Worgen she summoned that she'd be able to work with them in any capacity. Maybe wildlife documentary style, where she's observing them from afar and testing those she can get her hands on, but I really can't see her just waltzing into the midst of a Worgen pack and asking if she can feed them random herbal remedies.

[Divinity]

Pardon the interruption, but by all accounts isn't Velinde either dead or at the very least no longer in control of the Scythe? If even the second is true I doubt she'd be able to get close enough to the Worgen she summoned that she'd be able to work with them in any capacity. Maybe wildlife documentary style, where she's observing them from afar and testing those she can get her hands on, but I really can't see her just waltzing into the midst of a Worgen pack and asking if she can feed them random herbal remedies.

I dont think there was ever conformation that she had died, she just disappeared, so we have very little to go on as to what happened to her. We also dont really know what response the Worgen would have towards her while she is not in possession of the Scythe, we know that they obey her while she is in possession of the scythe but that is in no means evidence that they would rip her apart if she was not in possession of it.

Despite using the Scythe to summon and initially command the Worgen, we know that she goes on to appoint certain Worgen as leaders showing evidence of building a relationship with and trusting some of the Worgen beyond the basic "I have the Scythe do as I say". We also know that when the Worgen she had summoned stopped being controlled by the Scythe, they didnt return to kill her, they just dissapear which seems strange if they have any real malice towards her.

One line of thought could be that they are only mindless beasts because they were under the control of the Scythe, so losing it could have allowed her to interact and work with them whilst they were "themselves".

[Cantus]

I dont think there was ever conformation that she had died, she just disappeared, so we have very little to go on as to what happened to her. We also dont really know what response the Worgen would have towards her while she is not in possession of the Scythe, we know that they obey her while she is in possession of the scythe but that is in no means evidence that they would rip her apart if she was not in possession of it.

Despite using the Scythe to summon and initially command the Worgen, we know that she goes on to appoint certain Worgen as leaders showing evidence of building a relationship with and trusting some of the Worgen beyond the basic "I have the Scythe do as I say". We also know that when the Worgen she had summoned stopped being controlled by the Scythe, they didnt return to kill her, they just dissapear which seems strange if they have any real malice towards her.

One line of thought could be that they are only mindless beasts because they were under the control of the Scythe, so losing it could have allowed her to interact and work with them whilst they were "themselves".
I'd argue quite the reverse actually. Despite their creating the traditional pack structure, hardly the perfect sign of intelligence considering its prevalence in nature, I'd expect that without the Scythe Velinde was just any other prey target. Her time with them, assuming it was positive, probably gave them a greater respect for her, but otherwise if she'd attempt real interaction it'd be incredibly dangerous.

[Divinity]

I'd argue quite the reverse actually. Despite their creating the traditional pack structure, hardly the perfect sign of intelligence considering its prevalence in nature, I'd expect that without the Scythe Velinde was just any other prey target. Her time with them, assuming it was positive, probably gave them a greater respect for her, but otherwise if she'd attempt real interaction it'd be incredibly dangerous.

I can see your point, but for me at least (and ofcourse this is just my oppinion) we dont have enough information about the actions of Worgen not under the control of the Scythe to judge their normal actions and behaviour.

In Velindes vision she see's a barbaric primitive race fighting an enemy... however any bystander observing Orcs in battle would make the same observations as to their brutal primitive style, so I wouldnt like to base any observations about them on that vision. Otherwise our experiences with them stretch to what we have seen of them under the influence of the scythe, which is questionable as judging a race on their actions by how they act while under the control of some external force is hardly a fool proof process.

The only other experiences we have are; running into them in SFK (again under the control of an external force), Duskwood (they attack us but in fairness we are sent there to kill them, so in all likelyhood they would be in no rush to chat), Pyrewood (where there is evidence of at least some retention of intelligence in the fact that they can be interacted with during daylight hours) and in Grizzly Hills where they retain full intelligence and the ability to shift form at will.

Now the downside to my argument is that Pyrewood, SFK and Grizzly Hills are all the "Argual strand" of Worgen and so we dont know how much they differ from the others... but again its all a lack of clear evidence at the minute so I find it difficult to count anything as 100% not possible.

[Rolandius]

One line of thought could be that they are only mindless beasts because they were under the control of the Scythe, so losing it could have allowed her to interact and work with them whilst they were "themselves".

She said she could speak their language didn't she?

[Lon-ami]

Let's check what we have:

-Scythe of Elune summons worgen.
-Worgen could have been night elf druids somewhen.
-The moon makes cursed people turn into worgen.
-Omen was blessed by Elune, but he got corrupted with nightmares.

Elune is all around!

I still believe that Omen could have blessed some night elf druids during the WotA and then, pum!, he got corrupted, making those night elves unable to get the "blessing" off.

And there you have, curse!

[Omacron]

Perhaps Velinde BECAME a worgen? Ooooh, maybe she's, if not the faction leader, an important part of the Gilneas government in exile?

[Themiskan]

And to think, it would be at least partly answered if we knew whether or not modern-day Krasus has any coherent real-time recollection of meeting his older self back when he was still young. Cause he certainly didn't have any as his older self while meeting his younger self.

If I'm not mistaken didn't (young) Krasus get knocked unconscious during his last ditch effort to stop Deathwing, which Alexstraza comments on causing him to forget the current events? I believe she said it would be best for him if he didn't remember, which explains why (old) Krasus own memories were foggy about the actual events.

[Zula]

Actually I find this theory pretty interesting since all Ancients seem to have a mortal race derived from them. Agamaggan has the Quillboars and Aviana seems to havethe harpies. But something interesting I found but I don't know if it came out already in this thread is that a Wolf ancient already exists (http://www.wowwiki.com/Goldrinn), and is related to the elves of Eldre'Thalas.

[ScytheRexx]

It is kind of interesting when you think about it.

We know a few things based on the Book of Ur, Arugal, and Velinde. They came from a world of shadow, they are in a war with a group known as the Lords of the Emerald Flame, they have a unique language that does not fit with any known language, etc... A few magical things have also occurred when the Worgen were brought into Azeroth, like how Duskwood was cast in an eternal night when Jitters picked up the Scythe.

Personally, I formed a similar theory as the one with Omen, though I was looking at other possible demi-gods since I forgot about Omen. Now adding Omen to my theory makes it a bit more cohesive. First off, Omen supposedly was corrupted during the War of the Ancients, and fell into a nightmare induced sleep from his wounds.

My theory is that many druids that were appearing under the tutelage of Malfurion, took on the shape of the wolf and the sleeping Omen as their patron. When he awoke, fully corrupted, he used his new-found power over them perverting them into a state of life between forms, a wolf-man, and filled them with a never-ending feral rage. They turned on the other druids, the curse of omen allowing them to convert others over the the same twisted half-state.

When Elune intervened, she used her moonfire to cause Omen to flee back into the darkness of the lake to sleep once again for the next year. She also gave them the Scythe of Elune, a weapon that could slice a gateway into the very nightmares of Omen inside the Emerald Dream. The heroes pushed the Worgen through the rift, trapping them for ages, and Elune took back the Scythe to prevent the Worgen from escaping Omen's nightmares. Since this was connected to the Emerald Dream, the Worgen would sometimes come in conflict with the Green Dragons (Lords of the Emerald Flame), who were trying to heal the nightmarish wound (and thus, why they are seen as invading). With the Old God Nightmare rushing through the Emerald Dream, the Worgan are finding more and more chances to escape, thus the curse has only been spreading more and more.

Why Elune would then give the Scythe to Velinde would remain to be seen, but maybe her intention was not for Velinde to release the Worgen, but to travel to Silverpine and recapture the Worgen that had escaped thanks to Arugal. We will probably not know the truth of that till Cataclysm.

Just a little theory, nothing conclusive in the least. It will be interesting to see how Blizzard plays off the whole thing in Cataclysm.

[Omacron]

Actually I find this theory pretty interesting since all Ancients seem to have a mortal race derived from them. Agamaggan has the Quillboars and Aviana seems to havethe harpies. But something interesting I found but I don't know if it came out already in this thread is that a Wolf ancient already exists (http://www.wowwiki.com/Goldrinn), and is related to the elves of Eldre'Thalas.

That's been my theory for a while, that all half-man-half-animal races are derived from an ancient or loa. Of course, that makes me wonder where the Gnolls and Kobolds come from.

[Ded Chikn]

That's been my theory for a while, that all half-man-half-animal races are derived from an ancient or loa. Of course, that makes me wonder where the Gnolls and Kobolds come from.


Tequila was probably involved.

[Timolas]

My theory is that the Worgen are a result of night elven druids adopting a wolf form and this somehow getting jolted through time with Nozdormu dicking about - jolted into our present time via the Scythe of Elune. These have become worgen permanently, and the curse affecting humans through Arugal's meddling.

Something like that anyway.

I hate that theory, but that seems likely to me.

You know what I'd want?

The Worgen to be their own race from their own homeworld where they battle the Lords of the Emerald Flame, a new enemy unrelated to the Legion. The only way humans can become worgen is through Arugal's shackles and curses, but not an epidemic in Gilneas.

If anything, the Moonrage should have been freed after Arugal's death and break into Gilneas after the Cataclysm, where they can ally the humans or something.

[Mandrabel]

It is kind of interesting when you think about it.

We know a few things based on the Book of Ur, Arugal, and Velinde. They came from a world of shadow, they are in a war with a group known as the Lords of the Emerald Flame, they have a unique language that does not fit with any known language, etc... A few magical things have also occurred when the Worgen were brought into Azeroth, like how Duskwood was cast in an eternal night when Jitters picked up the Scythe.

Personally, I formed a similar theory as the one with Omen, though I was looking at other possible demi-gods since I forgot about Omen. Now adding Omen to my theory makes it a bit more cohesive. First off, Omen supposedly was corrupted during the War of the Ancients, and fell into a nightmare induced sleep from his wounds.

My theory is that many druids that were appearing under the tutelage of Malfurion, took on the shape of the wolf and the sleeping Omen as their patron. When he awoke, fully corrupted, he used his new-found power over them perverting them into a state of life between forms, a wolf-man, and filled them with a never-ending feral rage. They turned on the other druids, the curse of omen allowing them to convert others over the the same twisted half-state.

When Elune intervened, she used her moonfire to cause Omen to flee back into the darkness of the lake to sleep once again for the next year. She also gave them the Scythe of Elune, a weapon that could slice a gateway into the very nightmares of Omen inside the Emerald Dream. The heroes pushed the Worgen through the rift, trapping them for ages, and Elune took back the Scythe to prevent the Worgen from escaping Omen's nightmares. Since this was connected to the Emerald Dream, the Worgen would sometimes come in conflict with the Green Dragons (Lords of the Emerald Flame), who were trying to heal the nightmarish wound (and thus, why they are seen as invading). With the Old God Nightmare rushing through the Emerald Dream, the Worgan are finding more and more chances to escape, thus the curse has only been spreading more and more.

Why Elune would then give the Scythe to Velinde would remain to be seen, but maybe her intention was not for Velinde to release the Worgen, but to travel to Silverpine and recapture the Worgen that had escaped thanks to Arugal. We will probably not know the truth of that till Cataclysm.

Just a little theory, nothing conclusive in the least. It will be interesting to see how Blizzard plays off the whole thing in Cataclysm.

Combine this with the theory that Velinde was given the scythe to seal away the demons in Felwood and we have the most cohesive Worgen origins story yet.

EDIT: Goldrinn and Omen are probably interchangable as well.