Hey guys! It´s Mr reason and his wife Ms. Logic!

[Vicious]

Remember what i said in Rexx´s post when i said that Metzen managed to hold his lore in a thin line?

I take that back:

"Sargeras was a Vanir Titan and their great champion, chosen by their Pantheon to defend the worlds they had created. He carried out these duties for countless millennia, seeking out and destroying the demons of the Twisting Nether wherever he could find them.

The Eredar, an insidious race of devilish sorcerers, used their warlock magic to invade and enslave a number of worlds. The indigenous races of those worlds were mutated by the Eredar's malevolent powers and turned into demons themselves. Though Sargeras' nearly limitless powers were more than enough to defeat the vile Eredar, he was greatly troubled by the creatures' corruption and all-consuming evil. Incapable of fathoming such depravity, the great Titan began to slip into a brooding depression.

As doubt and despair overwhelmed Sargeras' senses, he lost all faith not only in his mission, but also in the Titans' vision of an ordered universe. Eventually he came to believe that the concept of order itself was folly, and that chaos and depravity were the only absolutes within the dark, lonely universe. His fellow Titans tried to persuade him of his error and calm his raging emotions, but he disregarded their more optimistic beliefs as self-serving delusions. Storming from their ranks forever, Sargeras set out to find his own place in the universe. Although the Pantheon was sorrowful at his departure, the Titans could never have predicted just how far their lost brother would go."

And the "Draeinei" backstory says this:

"early twenty-five thousand years ago, the eredar race arose on the world of Argus. They were extremely intelligent and had a natural affinity for magic in all its myriad forms. Using their gifts, they developed a vast and wondrous society.
Unfortunately the eredar's accomplishments caught the attention of Sargeras, the Destroyer of Worlds. He had already begun his Burning Crusade to eradicate all life from the cosmos, and he believed that the brilliant eredar would be pivotal in leading the vast demonic army he was gathering. Thus, he contacted the eredar's three most prominent leaders: Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, and Velen. In exchange for the loyalty of the eredar race, Sargeras offered untold power and knowledge. "

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These Draenei were blessed by the light when it didn´t existed, they use fucking spaceships to travel world to world, and they hate the Blood elves because they stole their technology and sabotaged their ship for no reason what-so-ever which made the ship crash into Azeroth.

I will glady play my blood elf warlock and never touch this race in the game, Metzen is oficially a sell-out, but i don´t even care anymore, i´ll just try to enjoy it to the best of my abilities.

[Kaziel]

This is the type of stuff that bothers me. Retcons to allow a cool idea. Not to make the story flow more smoothly (i.e. changes on the storyline for WC1 or 2) but "Hey, demons would be cool. Lets figure out how to add them" type mentality. >.<

[Ablamar]

I could finally understand the inclusion of the Draenei as Eredar and then they do this? How on earth did Sargeras become evil now? Why did they have to butcher the story like this.

I truly don't understand this. They could have easily made a story about the Draenei leaving well before their race turned into demons because of fel magic. Then the story could have basically stayed the same for the most part. But no, they make Sargeras meet the Eredar before they became evil and forget about the fact that Sargeras was NOT evil without the influence of the Eredar. The story about Sargeras makes absolutely no sense any longer. Why, oh why didn't they think about this?

[Bradford]

Remember what i said in Rexx´s post when i said that Metzen managed to hold his lore in a thin line?

I take that back:

"Sargeras was a Vanir Titan and their great champion, chosen by their Pantheon to defend the worlds they had created. He carried out these duties for countless millennia, seeking out and destroying the demons of the Twisting Nether wherever he could find them.

The Eredar, an insidious race of devilish sorcerers, used their warlock magic to invade and enslave a number of worlds. The indigenous races of those worlds were mutated by the Eredar's malevolent powers and turned into demons themselves. Though Sargeras' nearly limitless powers were more than enough to defeat the vile Eredar, he was greatly troubled by the creatures' corruption and all-consuming evil. Incapable of fathoming such depravity, the great Titan began to slip into a brooding depression.

As doubt and despair overwhelmed Sargeras' senses, he lost all faith not only in his mission, but also in the Titans' vision of an ordered universe. Eventually he came to believe that the concept of order itself was folly, and that chaos and depravity were the only absolutes within the dark, lonely universe. His fellow Titans tried to persuade him of his error and calm his raging emotions, but he disregarded their more optimistic beliefs as self-serving delusions. Storming from their ranks forever, Sargeras set out to find his own place in the universe. Although the Pantheon was sorrowful at his departure, the Titans could never have predicted just how far their lost brother would go."

And the "Draeinei" backstory says this:

"early twenty-five thousand years ago, the eredar race arose on the world of Argus. They were extremely intelligent and had a natural affinity for magic in all its myriad forms. Using their gifts, they developed a vast and wondrous society.
Unfortunately the eredar's accomplishments caught the attention of Sargeras, the Destroyer of Worlds. He had already begun his Burning Crusade to eradicate all life from the cosmos, and he believed that the brilliant eredar would be pivotal in leading the vast demonic army he was gathering. Thus, he contacted the eredar's three most prominent leaders: Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, and Velen. In exchange for the loyalty of the eredar race, Sargeras offered untold power and knowledge. "

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These Draenei were blessed by the light when it didn´t existed, they use fucking spaceships to travel world to world, and they hate the Blood elves because they stole their technology and sabotaged their ship for no reason what-so-ever which made the ship crash into Azeroth.

I will glady play my blood elf warlock and never touch this race in the game, Metzen is oficially a sell-out, but i don´t even care anymore, i´ll just try to enjoy it to the best of my abilities.

BULLSEYE VICIOUS!!! Well put. The new story line for the Dreanei kills the whole idea of the BL.

[Inquisitor]

My, and for a time I thought that I had grown too cynical about Blizzard and its lore. I had thought that important revisions would no longer take place. Oh well.

You are spot on Vicious.

[Yuber8900]

No gaming company can fuck up it's own lore like Blizzard.

[WootZoot]

yeah, should have gone with quillboar. they wouldnt need any retcon with them!

actualy, im quite happy with the new race and its lore. nothings good enough for you guys, is it?

[Yuber8900]

Well if completely rewriting game history isn't a big deal then we could be happy.

[WootZoot]

its no big deal. retcon happens in RL too.

remember 'columbus discovered america'? now its 'vikings visited america befor columbus, and there were the natives who migrated millenia ago on the baring isthmus'

[Kenzuki]

http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/

[Ablamar]

http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/

LMAO I must say I am enjoying reading a bunch of lore forums today. You gotta see this lore screwup as joke to stay sane. :)

[GodofUtopia]

Remember what i said in Rexx´s post when i said that Metzen managed to hold his lore in a thin line?

I take that back:

"Sargeras was a Vanir Titan and their great champion, chosen by their Pantheon to defend the worlds they had created. He carried out these duties for countless millennia, seeking out and destroying the demons of the Twisting Nether wherever he could find them.

The Eredar, an insidious race of devilish sorcerers, used their warlock magic to invade and enslave a number of worlds. The indigenous races of those worlds were mutated by the Eredar's malevolent powers and turned into demons themselves. Though Sargeras' nearly limitless powers were more than enough to defeat the vile Eredar, he was greatly troubled by the creatures' corruption and all-consuming evil. Incapable of fathoming such depravity, the great Titan began to slip into a brooding depression.

As doubt and despair overwhelmed Sargeras' senses, he lost all faith not only in his mission, but also in the Titans' vision of an ordered universe. Eventually he came to believe that the concept of order itself was folly, and that chaos and depravity were the only absolutes within the dark, lonely universe. His fellow Titans tried to persuade him of his error and calm his raging emotions, but he disregarded their more optimistic beliefs as self-serving delusions. Storming from their ranks forever, Sargeras set out to find his own place in the universe. Although the Pantheon was sorrowful at his departure, the Titans could never have predicted just how far their lost brother would go."

And the "Draeinei" backstory says this:

"early twenty-five thousand years ago, the eredar race arose on the world of Argus. They were extremely intelligent and had a natural affinity for magic in all its myriad forms. Using their gifts, they developed a vast and wondrous society.
Unfortunately the eredar's accomplishments caught the attention of Sargeras, the Destroyer of Worlds. He had already begun his Burning Crusade to eradicate all life from the cosmos, and he believed that the brilliant eredar would be pivotal in leading the vast demonic army he was gathering. Thus, he contacted the eredar's three most prominent leaders: Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, and Velen. In exchange for the loyalty of the eredar race, Sargeras offered untold power and knowledge. "

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These Draenei were blessed by the light when it didn´t existed, they use fucking spaceships to travel world to world, and they hate the Blood elves because they stole their technology and sabotaged their ship for no reason what-so-ever which made the ship crash into Azeroth.

I will glady play my blood elf warlock and never touch this race in the game, Metzen is oficially a sell-out, but i don´t even care anymore, i´ll just try to enjoy it to the best of my abilities.



dude... that is like saying ALL humans are light worshipping weak ass pussies, and ALL Orcs are blood lusting morons. which ofcourse we all know that is not true at all. now, same with the Eredar, whoever says that there werent some who are evil from the start to begin with. who are what you would called it the rotten apple. see how it works?? some Eredar are good, while some are evil. the evil Eredar start going crazy, and destorys the worlds, while the goood Eredar stays on their home planet and pussiy themselves.

[wushui]

Ya I'm guessing the evil Eredars Sargeras fought against were the evil power hungry ones led by Kil'jaedan and Archimonde whom devoured worlds while there will ones who kept to themselves led by Velen.

[GodofUtopia]

Ya I'm guessing the evil Eredars Sargeras fought against were the evil power hungry ones led by Kil'jaedan and Archimonde whom devoured worlds while there will ones who kept to themselves led by Velen.



naaa the encounter between Sarg and Kil'J is after Sarg become evil... Kil'J and Archimonde were actually good and pure before Sarg corrupted them.

i am guessing that Sargaras was corrupted by some rouge evil Eredar and Dread Lords.

[Bradford]

Blizzard is eventually going to Turn Sargeras into a White kitten with Retcons.

[GodofUtopia]

Blizzard is eventually going to Turn Sargeras into a White kitten with Retcons.

yeah but they need to find a good excuse for him to turn from good to evil.

[Kenzuki]

Guys, the Eredar had devoured their own world by the time they ventured into the Twisting Nether to do the same to other worlds. This makes Kil'jaeden and Archimonde seem like Ner'zhul when Kil'jaeden approched him lol. Suddenly these all powerful demons seem less cool.

[Flash]

No gaming company can fuck up it's own lore like Blizzard.

Don't worry, they've done it so much in the past I don't really consider anything past WarCraft 2 to be legit.

[Wildfire]

What I'm about to write out is all pure conjecture, but bear with me:

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Eredar weren't actually "evil" to begin with, but were just really ambitious? From what we've heard, the blue-skinned boys had started wearing out their planet and colonizing other worlds; the Titans might have just seen where this type of activity might logically go and sent their number one badass to stop the threat before it started. The type of guys who'd take out their own planet just because they wanted more power aren't exactly the types you want moving into your neighborhood, especially if you've made it your goal to make the whole universe one big, happy place. Sargeras was used to taking out these horrible, vile societies of torture-crazed sadists, so if they sent him out on a pre-emptive strike after the eredar, he would have been expecting something of that sort. Instead, all he found were some very advanced, ambitious sorcerer/colonialists who were just beginning to show signs of belligerence. So maybe he does his job, and maybe he doesn't. The new developments would seem to indicate that he didn't, and that he somehow convinced the Pantheon otherwise, which is how we get the previous lore. The only one who knew what really happened was Sargeras, the eredar, and the draenei, and none of them were doing much talking.

Anyway, now Sargeras had started to doubt his mission, and that led to his doubting the Pantheon's wisdom. The Eredar, as far as he could tell, weren't doing anything wrong; hell, they were just doing what civilized beings do. So now we have the most powerful warrior and general in the universe doubting his job; we've got a few problems. But right now all he had were doubts, no firm answers, so he tried to keep doing his job. Once he met up with the Nathrezim, though, he went over the brink. Their general fucked-up-ness would have gone right ahead and shattered poor Sargeras's mind. If they'd been wrong about the Eredar, couldn't they be wrong about the Nathrezim, too? Maybe they'd been wrong about EVERYONE they'd sent him after. After all, these "evil" races had come about independent of the Titans' influence; the Titans were going against the natural order of the universe by trying to put everything in order. He came to think that everything they'd told him to do was wrong, and once he'd had some quality alone time to brood, he decided that order was folly, and the Titans were meddling where they had no right. So in Sargeras's mind, he went out to do the universe the greatest good that he could: bringing it back to its natural state, and undoing the "harm" that the Titans had caused. From there, we all know where it goes.

As for why the lore says he was corrupted by the vile Eredar, my guess is that, after losing their biggest, baddest crusader to what can only be described as the most fucked-up ethical dilemma in Warcraft history, and without his word to go by, the Titans came up with their own version of what must have happened. He was sent out against the evil Eredar, and they must have just finally gotten to him. Sargeras was, after all, the only one of them who'd actually SEEN the Eredar society up close (and the Pantheon already viewed them as worthy of extermination), so none of the others would really have known that they weren't that evil. Thus, the story entered common circulation, and by the time of the Third War, that's what the ancient, secret legends said, and that's what the Azerothien loremasters believed to be truth. Or something like that.

But that's just my two cents.

[Creative]

It was cooler when Eredar was evil from the start. Also, I am seriously beggining to doubt Blizzard even remembers the lore :glare:






http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/

Only one word can describe that... .LOL

[Ravenclaw2099]

Damn that link! now that silly song is in my head..well sort of, considering I don't understand the words. :p

[Kakwakas]

Damn that link! now that silly song is in my head..well sort of, considering I don't understand the words. :p

http://www.dosky.info/

BBM mix is downloadable at the bottom. 8D

[Creative]

http://www.dosky.info/

BBM mix is downloadable at the bottom. 8D

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Now that song is in my head as I was forced to read the english text and forgot to turn off the sound :/

[JSpice]

Blizzard is eventually going to Turn Sargeras into a White kitten with Retcons.

man blizzard really did fuck up, they probably would change lore to make it so, Sargeras wasnt a titan and he was the first demon ever or some shit

[GodofUtopia]

What I'm about to write out is all pure conjecture, but bear with me:

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Eredar weren't actually "evil" to begin with, but were just really ambitious? From what we've heard, the blue-skinned boys had started wearing out their planet and colonizing other worlds; the Titans might have just seen where this type of activity might logically go and sent their number one badass to stop the threat before it started. The type of guys who'd take out their own planet just because they wanted more power aren't exactly the types you want moving into your neighborhood, especially if you've made it your goal to make the whole universe one big, happy place. Sargeras was used to taking out these horrible, vile societies of torture-crazed sadists, so if they sent him out on a pre-emptive strike after the eredar, he would have been expecting something of that sort. Instead, all he found were some very advanced, ambitious sorcerer/colonialists who were just beginning to show signs of belligerence. So maybe he does his job, and maybe he doesn't. The new developments would seem to indicate that he didn't, and that he somehow convinced the Pantheon otherwise, which is how we get the previous lore. The only one who knew what really happened was Sargeras, the eredar, and the draenei, and none of them were doing much talking.

Anyway, now Sargeras had started to doubt his mission, and that led to his doubting the Pantheon's wisdom. The Eredar, as far as he could tell, weren't doing anything wrong; hell, they were just doing what civilized beings do. So now we have the most powerful warrior and general in the universe doubting his job; we've got a few problems. But right now all he had were doubts, no firm answers, so he tried to keep doing his job. Once he met up with the Nathrezim, though, he went over the brink. Their general fucked-up-ness would have gone right ahead and shattered poor Sargeras's mind. If they'd been wrong about the Eredar, couldn't they be wrong about the Nathrezim, too? Maybe they'd been wrong about EVERYONE they'd sent him after. After all, these "evil" races had come about independent of the Titans' influence; the Titans were going against the natural order of the universe by trying to put everything in order. He came to think that everything they'd told him to do was wrong, and once he'd had some quality alone time to brood, he decided that order was folly, and the Titans were meddling where they had no right. So in Sargeras's mind, he went out to do the universe the greatest good that he could: bringing it back to its natural state, and undoing the "harm" that the Titans had caused. From there, we all know where it goes.

As for why the lore says he was corrupted by the vile Eredar, my guess is that, after losing their biggest, baddest crusader to what can only be described as the most fucked-up ethical dilemma in Warcraft history, and without his word to go by, the Titans came up with their own version of what must have happened. He was sent out against the evil Eredar, and they must have just finally gotten to him. Sargeras was, after all, the only one of them who'd actually SEEN the Eredar society up close (and the Pantheon already viewed them as worthy of extermination), so none of the others would really have known that they weren't that evil. Thus, the story entered common circulation, and by the time of the Third War, that's what the ancient, secret legends said, and that's what the Azerothien loremasters believed to be truth. Or something like that.

But that's just my two cents.



i was thinking about the same...

[Flash]

man blizzard really did fuck up, they probably would change lore to make it so, Sargeras wasnt a titan and he was the first demon ever or some shit

That wouldn't be the first time they've changed Sargeras, since he didn't become a Titan until the story that came in Warcraft 3. Before that, he was simply a Daemonlord as indicated in the WC2 manual.

WC3 was about the point it all started to go downhill in terms of rewriting lore...

[Ravenclaw2099]

The difference between the Storylines in War2 and 3 was they were told from a different perspective. The Orcs stroyline was told by Gul'dan, and the Human's by Aegwynn. I don't think etiher knew what Sargeras's true origin was even if Aegwynn and the Kirin Tor fought him for centuries. (I don't recall Aegwynn mentioning knowing Sargeras was a Titan, and Gul'dan sure as hell wouldn't have known. )

In war3, the stroy is told from the perspective of a third person omniscient narrator, thus he was able to reveal all of the history of the warcraft universe as it actually happened.

[Kenzuki]

That wouldn't be the first time they've changed Sargeras, since he didn't become a Titan until the story that came in Warcraft 3. Before that, he was simply a Daemonlord as indicated in the WC2 manual.

WC3 was about the point it all started to go downhill in terms of rewriting lore...


And Sargeras remains a Demonlord in edition to being the Dark Titan.

[Flash]

I don't think etiher knew what Sargeras's true origin was even if Aegwynn and the Kirin Tor fought him for centuries. (I don't recall Aegwynn mentioning knowing Sargeras was a Titan, and Gul'dan sure as hell wouldn't have known. )

I don't think Blizzard even knew his true origin, as I got the feeling moving from WC2 -> WC3 that they did things they had never originally planned on. Of course, I know that sounds obvious as no company plans out sequels years down the road, but I'll elaborate...

No doubt my views are very fundamentally different from many here, but I've always believed that once something has been written, it becomes sacred, so-to-speak, and shouldn't be changed. When I read much of the story for WarCraft 3, I started to get the feeling that things were starting to get changed and/or rewritten from what they were previously. Nothing too major at first, but the little things started to bother me. Sargeras goes from what was assumed to be just a demon to a collosal, metallic-skinned god. Suddenly it seemed far-fetched that Aegwyn would be able to kill a Titan, but wait...here comes Blizzard to the rescue...she only destroyed his physical form!

I know it's only a personal opinion, but things like that just seem like a cop-out, as there's no limit to what you can potentially write yourself out of. And then Blizzard has the audacity to do things like bring back Medivh with no explanation at all in-game, which I felt was a poor decision since the majority of players only know what's in the game. I was left with a feeling that after WC2, the series was left without any real sense of direction, and that instead Blizzard was trying to ride the popularity of their previous successes for new profits.

But that brings me to one other thing. Look at the Lord of the Clans fiasco, look at how we now have an overabundance of action figures, books that often have lore contradictions themselves, pencil and paper RPGs, and all sorts of other crap. It really seems like Blizzard made the decisions to whore themselves out with all of these products to capitalize on the popularity of the series rather than stay true to what originally made WC1 and 2 great. And then you get blatant contradictions like what just happened with the Eredar and well...it only servers to further my belief that Blizzard doesn't care about much beyond their profits.

Just my thoughts.

[Kakwakas]

I don't think Blizzard even knew his true origin, as I got the feeling moving from WC2 -> WC3 that they did things they had never originally planned on. Of course, I know that sounds obvious as no company plans out sequels years down the road, but I'll elaborate...

No doubt my views are very fundamentally different from many here, but I've always believed that once something has been written, it becomes sacred, so-to-speak, and shouldn't be changed. When I read much of the story for WarCraft 3, I started to get the feeling that things were starting to get changed and/or rewritten from what they were previously. Nothing too major at first, but the little things started to bother me. Sargeras goes from what was assumed to be just a demon to a collosal, metallic-skinned god. Suddenly it seemed far-fetched that Aegwyn would be able to kill a Titan, but wait...here comes Blizzard to the rescue...she only destroyed his physical form!

I know it's only a personal opinion, but things like that just seem like a cop-out, as there's no limit to what you can potentially write yourself out of. And then Blizzard has the audacity to do things like bring back Medivh with no explanation at all in-game, which I felt was a poor decision since the majority of players only know what's in the game. I was left with a feeling that after WC2, the series was left without any real sense of direction, and that instead Blizzard was trying to ride the popularity of their previous successes for new profits.

But that brings me to one other thing. Look at the Lord of the Clans fiasco, look at how we now have an overabundance of action figures, books that often have lore contradictions themselves, pencil and paper RPGs, and all sorts of other crap. It really seems like Blizzard made the decisions to whore themselves out with all of these products to capitalize on the popularity of the series rather than stay true to what originally made WC1 and 2 great. And then you get blatant contradictions like what just happened with the Eredar and well...it only servers to further my belief that Blizzard doesn't care about much beyond their profits.

Just my thoughts.

Welcome to the sad truth of capitalism.

[Yuber8900]

I don't think Blizzard even knew his true origin, as I got the feeling moving from WC2 -> WC3 that they did things they had never originally planned on. Of course, I know that sounds obvious as no company plans out sequels years down the road, but I'll elaborate...

No doubt my views are very fundamentally different from many here, but I've always believed that once something has been written, it becomes sacred, so-to-speak, and shouldn't be changed. When I read much of the story for WarCraft 3, I started to get the feeling that things were starting to get changed and/or rewritten from what they were previously. Nothing too major at first, but the little things started to bother me. Sargeras goes from what was assumed to be just a demon to a collosal, metallic-skinned god. Suddenly it seemed far-fetched that Aegwyn would be able to kill a Titan, but wait...here comes Blizzard to the rescue...she only destroyed his physical form!

I know it's only a personal opinion, but things like that just seem like a cop-out, as there's no limit to what you can potentially write yourself out of. And then Blizzard has the audacity to do things like bring back Medivh with no explanation at all in-game, which I felt was a poor decision since the majority of players only know what's in the game. I was left with a feeling that after WC2, the series was left without any real sense of direction, and that instead Blizzard was trying to ride the popularity of their previous successes for new profits.

But that brings me to one other thing. Look at the Lord of the Clans fiasco, look at how we now have an overabundance of action figures, books that often have lore contradictions themselves, pencil and paper RPGs, and all sorts of other crap. It really seems like Blizzard made the decisions to whore themselves out with all of these products to capitalize on the popularity of the series rather than stay true to what originally made WC1 and 2 great. And then you get blatant contradictions like what just happened with the Eredar and well...it only servers to further my belief that Blizzard doesn't care about much beyond their profits.

Just my thoughts.


You're gonna make a lot of friends here.

[Flash]

Welcome to the sad truth of capitalism.

I know, and I understand, however painful it is to see in action.

You're gonna make a lot of friends here.

I apologize.

[Kakwakas]

I apologize.

He wasn't being sarcastic. =p

[FreeLancer]

There is three things you can do with the changes. One, you can embrace them. You can go, sweet they just exampled it a little more...they added new information, new stuff. Cool.

Or you can hate it. Damn! They totally ruined my perspective of how things could be. That guy who thought this up is an idiot! This totally contradicts what they said before!

To explain the third thing, I need to tell you how I came about this. I have loved Warcraft since the first game, but when the second came out, I didn't like the Trolls. "Trolls," I thought. "What happened to Orc and Humans?!" Eventually I came to grips with it. Now I love trolls (well, except when their ganking my Mage). So the third thing (and my guess this is what a lot of us will do) is be totally shock and angry about the changes till we come to terms with them and love the change.

Now, I suspect a lot of you won't agree. Probably most of you. I know I found the whole Draenei/Eradar thing weird. But to be honest, I'm cool with it now. (I'm a bit confused about the whole Blood Elf part, apparently I missed some lore somewhere. And the pictures of Draenei decked out in the symbols of the Kingdoms of Lordaeron and Azeroth are just...odd. And Draenei having a line of group that have the same abilities as the Knights of the Silver Hand, doesn't bug me. But I am coming to terms, damn it!)

My point is that Metzen has expanded the lore (and being a writer of sorts, I know we go and change things, cause we have changed) and this is Metzen's vision not ours. Our view is different. So when he does something it doesn't always jive with out vision of how it should be, it jives with Metzen's view. (Anyway, I think that was my point to start with.)

[ARM3481]

I've mostly accepted it, primarily because it leaves room for the possibility of a newer, possibly eviler race predating the Eredar. After all, before their induction into the Legion, who was running things on Sargeras' behalf? Perhaps there's some evil race of demons out there who hold a grudge against the Eredar for ousting them when Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden became the leaders. That could create a means to someday introduce demons who aren't actively serving the Burning Legion, but instead seek to aid players in undermining it. If that original "force" was the one responsible for corrupting Sargeras in the first place, it could mean that it's till on the loose, independently turning others toward the path of destruction.

It could also mean that some parts of the Legion might resent how the upstart Eredar rose so quickly through their ranks with their extensive magics and "previously-mortal" ingenuity in the ways of the arcane, while the older and further corrupted demons were limited to the roles of foot soldiers.

Of course, it's possible that the Legion was just a big mess without any sense of organization until the Eredar were recruited, and that it relied solely on sheer numbers up until that point. Guess we'll have to wait and see where they take this.

[Ravenclaw2099]

More backstory form the WoW insider I received in my email:

Millennia before Azeroth's recorded history, the Eredar thrived on their homeworld, Argus, mostly unaware of the war between order and chaos that was raging across the universe. Yet they possessed a remarkable affinity for magic, and so it was only a matter of time before Sargeras, the Dark Titan, the Destroyer of Worlds, descended on Argus to corrupt the powerful, brilliant eredar and convince them to become the first members of his demonic army, the Burning Legion. Those who resisted the demon's vile influence had no choice but to flee the planet, and thus a new breed of Eredar was born: the "exiled ones", or, as they called themselves in their native tongue, the draenei...


It's possible that Sargeras was still corrupted by another demon race, but it suggests that he recruited the Eredar before the other demons because of their affinity for magic. After all, the Dark Titan DOES feed on the arcane energies of other worlds, so why not enlist those who could aid im in doing so?

[Lyxa Kanat]

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/news-47-1-draenei-lore-changes-explained-by-chris-metzen-from-blizzard.html

Chris Metzen (lore writer) explains his screw up.

Personally when I heard about the change I believe the first word out of my mouth was "LAME!". I mean, spaceships, stolen technology, what's next? An army of zerglings coming out of the dark portal?

Just like all things in life, I'l wait and see. -_- I cautious though.

[Kerrah]

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/news-47-1-draenei-lore-changes-explained-by-chris-metzen-from-blizzard.html

Chris Metzen (lore writer) explains his screw up.

Personally when I heard about the change I believe the first word out of my mouth was "LAME!". I mean, spaceships, stolen technology, what's next? An army of zerglings coming out of the dark portal?

Just like all things in life, I'l wait and see. -_- I cautious though.
Sorry but thats OLD INFO.

http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=608

[Lyxa Kanat]

Dorry, didn't see it listed before and I'm a bit new. Just offering my thoughts :kawaii: My fault for not looking deeply enough. /bow

[Urin_Bloodface]

Perhaps some old gods corrupted the eredars so that they again corrupted sargeras =P

[Yuber8900]

Perhaps some old gods corrupted the eredars so that they again corrupted sargeras =P

Old Gods are only on Azeroth.

[Vicious]

Moving on guys.....