Lore Loophole #234823598720398234

[Bradford]

I was reading the "History of the Dreanei" on the offical lore page and heres what I came up with. Ill post a snipit, which most of you have read already.

"The orcs killed over eighty percent of the draenei race and sent the rest fleeing for safety to the remote corners of the world.Afterwards, draenei who had fought the Horde and survived found that they had been affected by the fel energies wielded so freely by the orc warlocks. These draenei have since mutated into lesser forms, resulting in a series of subspecies. The Broken and the Lost Ones (as seen above) are two such genetic offshoots. Their warped bodies bear only a rough resemblance to the proud draenei they once were, and quite a few have lost their grip on sanity."

More specifically, if they were affected by the Warlocks engeries and became deformed, then why dont the Eradar that freely use Fel magics look like the lost ones and the broken ones? Kil'Jaden and Archimond should look Corrupted as well. Just my logic.

[Warlock]

I was reading the "History of the Dreanei" on the offical lore page and heres what I came up with. Ill post a snipit, which most of you have read already.

"The orcs killed over eighty percent of the draenei race and sent the rest fleeing for safety to the remote corners of the world.Afterwards, draenei who had fought the Horde and survived found that they had been affected by the fel energies wielded so freely by the orc warlocks. These draenei have since mutated into lesser forms, resulting in a series of subspecies. The Broken and the Lost Ones (as seen above) are two such genetic offshoots. Their warped bodies bear only a rough resemblance to the proud draenei they once were, and quite a few have lost their grip on sanity."

More specifically, if they were affected by the Warlocks engeries and became deformed, then why dont the Eradar that freely use Fel magics look like the lost ones and the broken ones? Kil'Jaden and Archimond should look Corrupted as well. Just my logic.

Use != transformed by.

[Bradford]

Use != transformed by.

That still doesnt make since. A lot of other beings have had Fel magics used against them and haven transformed. I still think thats a lame description.

[Syroco]

Because Sargeras made them into demons. Fel = demon magic..


...sigh

[Bradford]

Because Sargeras made them into demons. Fel = demon magic..


...sigh

Ok, I can undertstand that. BTW dont "sigh" at me.... I was just trying to get things clear so that I dont babble on like those on the general forums.... with pure ignorance. The only reason I question is to make it more clear for myself, and perhaps others.

[Syroco]

It's a friendly sigh. =P

Anyways, yeah. When Sargeras converted them into Demons, etc. The most likely became immune to the effects that heavy fel magic would bring.

[Kenzuki]

Having Sargeras convert them into demons is the biggest damn retcon I have ever heard. Sargeras FOUGHT the Eredar before he was corrupted!

[Syroco]

I thought I read somewhere that every race that is demon had to have come into contact and be transformed or mutated by Sargeras's influence, etc.

so shouldn't this 'new' lore make more sense to this lore than the older broken lore regarding the eredar did?

[Yuber8900]

Sargeras couldn't have fought Demons for thousands of years if he was the source of all of them.

[ARM3481]

I did find that a bit confusing. I mean, what exactly caused Sargeras' descent into madness, if he didn't encounter the Eredar until he himself was already corrupted? Could the Dreadlords' actions alone have done so, or is Blizzard going to try to add another somewhat improbable link to the "Sargeras being manipulated into attacking Azeroth to free the Old Gods" line of thought? It'll be a bit hard to swallow the idea that the Old Gods were actually responsible for Sargeras falling from grace, forming the Burning Legion, and setting out on his Burning Crusade solely for the purpose of eventually using the Demon Soul at the Well to release them, but if the demons didn't cause his disillusionment and eventual madness, what else is left?

Kinda makes me wonder if they'll be going back to amend the History pages on the official site to match these new developements.

[Ravenclaw2099]

I remember that the Nathrezim were also responsible for Sargeras's corruption . And we have to keep in mind this has happened before. There was a time when everyone beleived the Orcs to be vile bloodthirsty savages. But, the more we learned of their history the more we learned the truth about their origins, that they were in fact once a noble Shamanistic people.

The same thing applies to the Eredar as well. There may be more things about Eredar history that we do not know yet. For one thing, the fact that the Eredar's "accomplishments" attracted Sargeras's attention indicates they likely weren't just conducting minor activities. These accomplishments, wether positive or negative, may have attracted his attention even when he was a good Titan, which is why he set to destroy them in the first place.

We must also keep in mind that since the Eredar were so attuned to magic, it is possible that some of them became extremely addicted and/or corrupted by it (much like Azshara/Illidan/Gul'dan). Thus a few "rogue" Eredar are the ones who intitially caught the Titan's attention through chaotic activities.

Of course this is just a specualtion, but "the handful of rogue Eredar" seems like a decent way to fix the loophole. :)

[Kenzuki]

I remember that the Nathrezim were also responsible for Sargeras's corruption . And we have to keep in mind this has happened before. There was a time when everyone beleived the Orcs to be vile bloodthirsty savages. But, the more we learned of their history the more we learned the truth about their origins, that they were in fact once a noble Shamanistic people.

The same thing applies to the Eredar as well. There may be more things about Eredar history that we do not know yet. For one thing, the fact that the Eredar's "accomplishments" attracted Sargeras's attention indicates they likely weren't just conducting minor activities. These accomplishments, wether positive or negative, may have attracted his attention even when he was a good Titan, which is why he set to destroy them in the first place.

We must also keep in mind that since the Eredar were so attuned to magic, it is possible that some of them became extremely addicted and/or corrupted by it (much like Azshara/Illidan/Gul'dan). Thus a few "rogue" Eredar are the ones who intitially caught the Titan's attention through chaotic activities.

Of course this is just a specualtion, but "the handful of rogue Eredar" seems like a decent way to fix the loophole. :)


Dude, the thing with the Eredar is nothing like what the orcs were. We just learned more about the orcs' past. This is blatant retconning what is written!

[JSpice]

I did find that a bit confusing. I mean, what exactly caused Sargeras' descent into madness, if he didn't encounter the Eredar until he himself was already corrupted? Could the Dreadlords' actions alone have done so, or is Blizzard going to try to add another somewhat improbable link to the "Sargeras being manipulated into attacking Azeroth to free the Old Gods" line of thought? It'll be a bit hard to swallow the idea that the Old Gods were actually responsible for Sargeras falling from grace, forming the Burning Legion, and setting out on his Burning Crusade solely for the purpose of eventually using the Demon Soul at the Well to release them, but if the demons didn't cause his disillusionment and eventual madness, what else is left?

Kinda makes me wonder if they'll be going back to amend the History pages on the official site to match these new developements.

ur starting to remind me of the Metal Gear Solid series O.o

[Kerrah]

I was reading the "History of the Dreanei" on the offical lore page and heres what I came up with. Ill post a snipit, which most of you have read already.

"The orcs killed over eighty percent of the draenei race and sent the rest fleeing for safety to the remote corners of the world.Afterwards, draenei who had fought the Horde and survived found that they had been affected by the fel energies wielded so freely by the orc warlocks. These draenei have since mutated into lesser forms, resulting in a series of subspecies. The Broken and the Lost Ones (as seen above) are two such genetic offshoots. Their warped bodies bear only a rough resemblance to the proud draenei they once were, and quite a few have lost their grip on sanity."

More specifically, if they were affected by the Warlocks engeries and became deformed, then why dont the Eradar that freely use Fel magics look like the lost ones and the broken ones? Kil'Jaden and Archimond should look Corrupted as well. Just my logic.
The Eredar were freely using that energy, but the dranei were in a society that was based on "keeping it together" (bowfinger style), so its obivious they mutate when somebody reminds them what they are keeping themselves away from.

[ARM3481]

One of the most depressing parts to me is that the idea of Sargeras imprisoning the Eredar seemed like a crucial part of impressing upon the lore just how mighty he was. Without them, that only leaves the Nathrezim as a truly formidable demonic force that he defeated before his madness, and the Dreadlords simply aren't known for manipulating raw power as the Eredar are. If he encountered anything else on par with the Eredar in his travels, one would expect them to have been recruited by the Legion when it was born and place rather highly in its ranks. Below the Dreadlords, the heirarchy of demons rapidly degenerates from truly insidious and frightening beings to a mass of thuggish brutes who swing whatever power they have like a hammer and rely primarily upon overwhelming numbers. The next teir of power we've seen after te Dreadlords would seem to be the Pit Lords, and they're hardly the sort to make me think "Sargeras defeated them? Wow, he really was unstoppable."

This had better not be the start of some suggestion from Blizz that Sargeras was never in the Pantheon at all and had always existed as an evil counterpart to the Titans. The nature of his betrayal is what makes him a worthwhile character, after all.

[Ravenclaw2099]

Dude, the thing with the Eredar is nothing like what the orcs were. We just learned more about the orcs' past. This is blatant retconning what is written!

I realize that, I was merely putting in a possible theory/idea as to how they could somehow fix the whole "who corrupted whom" loophole. I was also just comparing the fact that both the Eredar and Orcs were seen as evil, but now have been shown as once being good. I haven't overlooked the fact that Orc history is far more logical than what they did with the Eredar.