Starcraft Lore and these forums

[tufy]

Come Starcraft II, we should be seeing a considerable influx of Starcraft-related lore, both in the form of game material and novels, as well as other sources. I was just wondering if SoL would gain from establishing separate Starcraft Lore subforum, where we could discuss Valerian's latest lady conquests, Kerrigan's most advanced brood mutations and wonder where Zeratul has disappeared this time.

Thoughts?

[handclaw]

I wouldn't mind that, but the question is, how many here are into the starcraft lore? :\

[Nerub29]

Well, nobody has ever said that the "scrolls of lore" only contain Warcraft-related information at the exclusion of any other universe. :smirk:

I support it. Un saludo.

[Joshmaul]

Well, nobody has ever said that the "scrolls of lore" only contain Warcraft-related information at the exclusion of any other universe. :smirk:

I support it. Un saludo.

I second that. Perhaps have subforums for general Blizzard lore discussion, since Diablo III is in the works too, and will probably be out within the next year or so - if not sometime this year (I know some people are thinking we're gonna have a Blizzard triple-header for 2010, which is why I mention this).

[Ashendant]

Adding a few new folders to the thread(folders right?)

Starcraft Lore
Diablo lore
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[Zula]

I wouldn't mind that, but the question is, how many here are into the starcraft lore? :\

I am into Stracraft lore, it seems an interesing move to include a Starcraft subforum.

[Omacron]

I'm actually a little ashamed how little I know about the Starcraft and Diablo universes. More than the average player, assuredly, and I do own all games, but I never delved into the comics or novels or background information like I did in Warcraft, probably because I never had any incentive (I became a lore nerd mostly due to RP in WoW).

[Rolandius]

The creep is able to be killed by extreme heat (in the books at least), yet it can live on something like Char?

[Revenant]

The creep is able to be killed by extreme heat (in the books at least), yet it can live on something like Char?

You have no concept of suspension of disbelief do you?

It might be (relatively) cool lava, the creep there might be more kick-ass than the creep at the Fujita Facility, the creep might be constantly dieing and regenerating (the Zerg use a kind of 'forced natural selection'/'sort of breeding' a lot), or it may have already adapted (going back to the more kick-ass thing). It is not that far-fetched.

[Rolandius]

You have no concept of suspension of doubt do you?

It might be (relatively) cool lava, the creep there might be more kick-ass than the creep at the Fujita Facility, the creep might be constantly dieing and regenerating (the Zerg use a kind of 'forced natural selection'/'sort of breeding' a lot), or it may have already adapted (going back to the more kick-ass thing). It is not that far-fetched.

It is "suspension of disbelief", not "suspension of doubt". That is a lot of "might"s by the way. It might have been just pretending to die in the facility to trick them into thinking it had a weakness...

[Revenant]

It might have been just pretending to die in the facility to trick them into thinking it had a weakness.

It was more like retreating back into a box than outright dieing. The creep was not that smart, as it was cut off from the Overmind. You can have crazy conspiracy theories if you want.

[Rolandius]

It was more like retreating back into a box than outright dieing. The creep was not that smart, as it was cut off from the Overmind. You can have crazy conspiracy theories if you want, but I do not think they are the best conclusion a non-troll could have.

I made that statement as an example of what you were saying with all your "might"s. It "might" be cool lava, it "might" be dieing and regenerating, etc.

What are you talking about? It didn't die because it retreated into a box? No, really? Because the extreme heat would kill it. The creep has some kind of intelligence though albeit not like a hydralisk.

[Revenant]

What are you talking about? It didn't die because it retreated into a box? No, really? Because the extreme heat would kill it. The creep has some kind of intelligence though albeit not like a hydralisk.

Are you talking about the events of StarCraft: Uprising? :glare:

[Rolandius]

Are you talking about the events of StarCraft: Uprising? :glare:

That is where the Fujita Facility was spoken about, yes.

[Revenant]

That is where the Fujita Facility was spoken about, yes.

Then yes, the creep didn't die because it retreated into a box.

[Rolandius]

Then yes, the creep didn't die because it retreated into a box.

I still don't get how that nullifies the idea that extreme heat kills it. The creep is just superstition of heat?

[Malygos]

So Daggoth randomly dies due to the lack of an Overmind... Are there anymore cerebrates left or is it just her?

[Joshmaul]

So Daggoth randomly dies due to the lack of an Overmind... Are there anymore cerebrates left or is it just her?

An excerpt from StarCraft Wiki on that topic:

However, following the Brood War, all the cerebrates have been hunted down and exterminated by Kerrigan's forces; there are none left "as far as we know", as Kerrigan has no use or desire for them.

The "as far as we know" bit was Metzen answering a question during the lore panel at BlizzCon '07 (as reported by StarCraft: Legacy).

Q: Who or what is actually controlling all the Zerg life forms?

A: Metzen: “…since Brood War there’s only one mind controlling the Zerg (as far as anyone knows). After Brood War she whacked out all the (remaining) cerebrates, so as far as anyone knows she is in sole control of the swarm. But that sure is an interesting theme *wink wink*”

The followup, during SC:L's Q&A with Metzen himself:

* SC:L - During the lore panel at BlizzCon - you mentioned that all the Cerebrates had been destroyed by Kerrigan - does this include Daggoth? Many people on our sites are wondering this because he was such an independent and intelligent Zerg character - and they feel if he is dead it's quite the loose end.

* Metzen - Daggoth is dead, along with the rest of the cerebrates. Kerrigan is the sole power behind the Swarm now. It’s possible that Daggoth could not sustain himself without the Overmind and other cerebrates to power him. We’ve suggested before that the Overmind and its cerebrates were symbiotically linked. The cerebrates were not designed to exist without their creator. That’s a partial reason behind the cerebrates’ merging into a new, singular Overmind during the early events of Brood War.

[Malygos]

Ugh we've seen the concept of "sole control of the swarm" and what happens when you kill them now haven't we.

[Cantus]

Ugh we've seen the concept of "sole control of the swarm" and what happens when you kill them now haven't we.
Funny story, that trope (at least in Blizzard's history) was originally from Starcraft and only adopted by WoW. Play through the original campaign of Starcraft and you'll see the similarities between Bolvar and Kerrigan with the exception that Bolvar's decision was voluntary while Kerrigan's was not.

[Revenant]

Funny story, that trope (at least in Blizzard's history) was originally from Starcraft and only adopted by WoW. Play through the original campaign of Starcraft and you'll see the similarities between Bolvar and Kerrigan with the exception that Bolvar's decision was voluntary while Kerrigan's was not.

The fact that we expect the reusing of the trope so much due to StarCraft makes it all the more likely to me that Uther and Terenas were just sock puppets on Ner'zhul or Yogg-Saron's hands. Blizzard is not good at red herrings, or are they?

[Malygos]

Funny story, that trope (at least in Blizzard's history) was originally from Starcraft and only adopted by WoW. Play through the original campaign of Starcraft and you'll see the similarities between Bolvar and Kerrigan with the exception that Bolvar's decision was voluntary while Kerrigan's was not.

I see her more as Arthas although his conversion was from revenge while hers was due to Mengsk being a complete ass.

[Lon-ami]

I8 myself wouldn't mind having a StarCraft forum. SC2 will be for StarCraft like W3 was for Warcraft: lore evolution.

Ugh we've seen the concept of "sole control of the swarm" and what happens when you kill them now haven't we.

Thee must always be a Lich King! Oh, I mean, bitch queen, that's it.

[Joshmaul]

I see her more as Arthas although his conversion was from revenge while hers was due to Mengsk being a complete ass.

Which, when you look at it, amounts to the same thing. :D

[Xephoni]

I would LOVE this, I have only read the first 3 Starcraft and Diablo books.

However I do plan to read them all.

[Ku'ja]

Honestly i would rather we have a Starcraft and Diablo part on this forum rather than make a new one.

I am quite the Starcraft geek also but not so much with Diablo but i will probably brush up on that to soon :P

[Exxile87]

I'm about to go buy the SC and Diablo Battlechests to replay and relearn the lore to those franchises.

[Joshmaul]

I'm about to go buy the SC and Diablo Battlechests to replay and relearn the lore to those franchises.

I started playing them again myself...I'm especially glad (given that I put in the keys to download my SC/Brood War set and my Diablo II/LoD set) that they work on Vista, despite being fairly old games.

[Rolandius]

It would be nice if Blizzard (at least for OSX) ported, or whatever you call it, some of the their legacy (old) games like Warcraft and Diablo. I think it was Warlock who said that semi-old games like Starcraft and Warcraft III account for like 5% of Blizzard's profits.

[Ashendant]

Well it's a good series but it leaves me bored because it's a copy of a alternate version of warhammer, except it didn't copy the extremes which is what makes Warhammer 40k so tasty, and other races do nothing but get exterminated by the three factions.

[ARM3481]

The fact that we expect the reusing of the trope so much due to StarCraft makes it all the more likely to me that Uther and Terenas were just sock puppets on Ner'zhul or Yogg-Saron's hands. Blizzard is not good at red herrings, or are they?

Of course, it makes sense in StarCraft because there aren't any Forsaken Zerg or Swarms of the Ebon Blade running around disproving it with their very existence.

[Cantus]

I started playing them again myself...I'm especially glad (given that I put in the keys to download my SC/Brood War set and my Diablo II/LoD set) that they work on Vista, despite being fairly old games.Hmm, I should probably try them on Win7, though I remember Diablo's storyline pretty well.

The games aside, I need to find a Starcraft Wiki so I can read up on all the novels/comics that have added to its lore.

[Nerub29]

Try http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_Wiki

It is the most complete I've ever found. But there is also SC Legacy's Encyclopedia (http://sclegacy.com/feature/8-scencyclopedia), with their bestiary, the canon bonus maps such as Resurrection IV, planet's and character's index short stories by Metzen himself and others, etcetera.

All the dialogues and briefings of the campaigns are there too, under SC Story.

Un saludo.

[Revenant]

StarCraft Wiki is excellent, but has it own problems due the fact that only a few extremely dedicated people run it. To strict out of necessity for my tastes. A few minor errors in my eyes here and there. PsiSeveredHead/Kimera757 is a cool guy.

[Lon-ami]

StarCraft Wiki is excellent, but has it own problems due the fact that only a few extremely dedicated people run it. To strict out of necessity for my tastes. A few minor errors in my eyes here and there. PsiSeveredHead/Kimera757 is a cool guy.

He makes a good work, and so far I like his administration.

What StarCraftWiki needs is more people, but I guess it will grow when SC2 and the campaign are released.

[Revenant]

He makes a good work, and so far I like his administration.

What StarCraftWiki needs is more people, but I guess it will grow when SC2 and the campaign are released.

It is a great website and resource, but they keeps revertin' my edits... :(

[Aldrius]

I see her more as Arthas although his conversion was from revenge while hers was due to Mengsk being a complete ass.

Huh? Kerrigan wanted revenge (and control). Arthas wanted to prove himself a capable warrior. I don't really think the stuff with Mal'ganis was Arthas wanting revenge. More Arthas being desperate to win.

I don't really see too many similarities between the characters outside of the obvious superficial ones. (Good turned evil, etc. etc.)

[Lon-ami]

It is a great website and resource, but they keeps revertin' my edits... :(

"The less people the less number of allowed opinion..."

But anyway, what do you do to get reverted? :S

You can be getting reverted by the usual lammer, who reverts even if you're right. You need to identify them.

[Revenant]

"The less people the less number of allowed opinion..."

Hm. That is a good saying.

But anyway, what do you do to get reverted? :S

Oh, this and that. My wording is never good enough. The damned 'Rich Text Editor' interface does not help.

You can be getting reverted by the usual lammer, who reverts even if you're right. You need to identify them.

You say this about multiple Administrators? :raisedbro

[Lon-ami]

Hm. That is a good saying.

The more people the more consensus in the policies and the less "tyranny".

Oh, this and that. My wording is never good enough. The damned 'Rich Text Editor' interface does not help.

Dunno :S :(.

You say this about multiple Administrators? :raisedbro

No need to be admin to revert, it could be anyone who doesn't like your edition.

[Revenant]

No need to be admin to revert, it could be anyone who doesn't like your edition.

Most if not all times it is an administrator. They make the most edits. I harbor no ill will for them, as I know they do what they feel is necessary to maintain their website.

[Malygos]

. I don't really think the stuff with Mal'ganis was Arthas wanting revenge. More Arthas being desperate to win.


"Damn the men! Nothing shall prevent me from having my revenge, old friend. Not even you."
"He tells me that the time for my vengeance has come"

Interpret it how you wish, but it seems that Arthas was hellbent on revenge which lead to him getting corrupted. Kerrigan became infested because someone couldn't spare to send evac.

Also, the obvious similarity of being the champion of a superior(Overmind/LK) and then ending up as the successor. Bolvar was not the champion of the Scourge prior to his new position.

[Aldrius]

Kerrigan became infested because someone couldn't spare to send evac.

That's not what made her evil, though.

"Damn the men! Nothing shall prevent me from having my revenge, old friend. Not even you."
"He tells me that the time for my vengeance has come"

Eehhh.... okay, I can't really deny that. :p

Still, I think what he wanted revenge FOR is important. Kerrigan wanted revenge because she'd been wronged. Arthas wanted revenge because Mal'ganis had made him look like an ineffective idiot. And because he'd mocked him.

And also Kerrigan wanted vengeance at the END of the storyline. Arthas wanted it near the beginning.

[Rolandius]

Why couldn't anyone tell Duran was infested earlier – if he indeed was infested at that time?

[Aldrius]

Why couldn't anyone tell Duran was infested earlier –*if he indeed was infested at that time?

He hid it somehow. It's not really important how.

[tufy]

Why couldn't anyone tell Duran was infested earlier –*if he indeed was infested at that time?

As much as I'm aware, Stukov only speculated that Duran may be infested, which was "confirmed" when Duran showed up with the zerg.

[Rolandius]

As much as I'm aware, Stukov only speculated that Duran may be infested, which was "confirmed" when Duran showed up with the zerg.

Yes he only speculated. But he was actually right. I was just wondering how an infested human hides being infested. In fact, aren't infested humans pretty obvious in 1) How they look. 2) How they act. 2) How they speak.

Other than "He just was", the only thing I could think of was that he wasn't infested yet and was just an agent working for the zerg. The only problem with that is 1) Why would a human work for some zerg. 2) I don't remember zerg ever not infesting anything they ran into.

[Revenant]

Yes he only speculated. But he was actually right. I was just wondering how an infested human hides being infested. In fact, aren't infested humans pretty obvious in 1) How they look. 2) How they act. 2) How they speak.

Other than "He just was", the only thing I could think of was that he wasn't infested yet and was just an agent working for the zerg. The only problem with that is 1) Why would a human work for some zerg. 2) I don't remember zerg ever not infesting anything they ran into.

There is to a lesser extent Starry Lace (http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Starry_Lace) and to a even lesser extent the parasite ability (http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_%28StarCraft%29#Abilities). The zerg can hide.

[Rolandius]

There is to a lesser extent Starry Lace (http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Starry_Lace) and to a even lesser extent the parasite ability (http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_%28StarCraft%29#Abilities). The zerg can hide.

Interesting indeed.