Old Dungeons to 'get some love' in Cata

[HalfElfDragon]

Apparently (http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24630544046/older-azeroth-dungeons-come-cataclysm/)

The dungeons mentioned are Scholomance and Stratholme, with a cliffhanger of "(and more)". What do you guys think this will entail?

[RobLore]

I could easily see some Scourge remenants or some remains of the Cult of the Damned still doing stuff in the Plaguelands.

I am glad Blizzard won't just ignore old dungeons and say "Just pretend that nobody lives in there.".

It will be interesting to see if the Walling Caverns will get removed as an instance or another threat will emerge.

[Gurtogg_Bloodboil]

I could easily see some Scourge remenants or some remains of the Cult of the Damned still doing stuff in the Plaguelands.

Remember that the Cult of the Damned were never enslaved to the Lich King, they were living volunteers. So if Bolvar has effectively neutered the Scourge as the new Lich King, there’s no reason why the now rogue Cult wouldn’t be out there causing trouble with renegade necromancy and such.

In fact, it might be an incredible twist if we actually work with the new Scourge under Bolvar to eradicate the Cult and other old Scourge-aligned baddies that he didn’t gain control over.

[RobLore]

Yeah, that was exactly what I was thinking. They can still be active without the Lich King being active.

But Bolvar is supposed to be a secret so if we work for him, than it would probably be from very "high ranked" NPCs and nothing too obvious.
I really like the idea of Bolvar helping us though. like the Clone army in Star Wars. Than in WoW 2 or Wc4 Ner'zhul would become dominant and they would turn against us. :P

[Gortrash]

What I'd like to see is basically the continuation of the story in ANY troll dungeon along the spirit of the Echo Isles revamp. Yeah, I know some people are sick and tired of ALL those troll instances, but I personally think they have the coolest atmosphere. :P

[RobLore]

Same. I still love Zul'gurub above everything else.

[Warlock]

My guess is that they are just going to rebalance them - no significant changes, but maybe changes to things like mob distribution (i.e. fewer trash-fests) and drop quality (in particular, compare Strath and Scholo to say, Ramparts.. they are similar-level dungeons but Ramparts blows them away in terms of loot)

[Leviathon]

They will probably edit some of the mobs and whatnot. For example going into the Wailing Caverns and killing the Druids of the Fang again when the area outside is cleansed due to the efforts of Naralex AFTER they were killed would be odd. Stratholme could be edited to be a rogue group of the Cult of the Damned instead of the Scourge for example.

[Rolandius]

Remember that the Cult of the Damned were never enslaved to the Lich King, they were living volunteers. So if Bolvar has effectively neutered the Scourge as the new Lich King, there’s no reason why the now rogue Cult wouldn’t be out there causing trouble with renegade necromancy and such.

In fact, it might be an incredible twist if we actually work with the new Scourge under Bolvar to eradicate the Cult and other old Scourge-aligned baddies that he didn’t gain control over.

Wasn't their whole life to follow the Lich King though? What are they going to say now? "For the fun of it"?

[HalfElfDragon]

Wasn't their whole life to follow the Lich King though? What are they going to say now? "For the fun of it"?
They could view the Lich King as a martyr for their cause; follow what they think he would have done

[Rolandius]

They could view the Lich King as a martyr for their cause; follow what they think he would have done

But the Lich King is still around...

[Leviathon]

But the Lich King is still around...

The general populace does not know that.

[HalfElfDragon]

But the Lich King is still around...

1- As Leviathon said, most don't know that
2- The new Lich King also has a completely different stance on everything compared to Arthas and Ner'zhul, the ideals of whom the Cult is based upon. Bolvar has no desire to convert everything to undeath at this time

[Rolandius]

The followers looked forward to "rewards" which only the Lich King, and maybe officers of the Scourge could give them. So if they think the Lich King is dead that means no rewards. So for them to still be like they were before there is going to have to be at least one powerful Scourge member who they look up to. But all the Scourge are controlled by the Lich King correct? Unless that Scourge member(s) is able to go solo.

[Cantus]

It may be that the death of Arthas caused a split similar to the one that occurred during Ner'zhul's weakened state. I could see Kel'thuzad or other Scourge lieutenants taking over during that time and secluding themselves in former Scourge strongholds. Hell there are probably individuals in the Cult of the Damned or general mage community that were waiting for a chance to jump ahead in the ranks/take a shot at necromancy and this counts as one of the best ones.

[Rolandius]

It may be that the death of Arthas caused a split similar to the one that occurred during Ner'zhul's weakened state. I could see Kel'thuzad or other Scourge lieutenants taking over during that time and secluding themselves in former Scourge strongholds. Hell there are probably individuals in the Cult of the Damned or general mage community that were waiting for a chance to jump ahead in the ranks/take a shot at necromancy and this counts as one of the best ones.

That could well be true. But the whole "For the Lich King!" is not going to stick around if any of them are taking this chance to break away from him in the first place.

[Cantus]

That could well be true. But the whole "For the Lich King!" is not going to stick around if any of them are taking this chance to break away from him in the first place.They worshipped him as a God, who's to say they weren't told that he'd "ascended" to his god hood and they needed to continue doing his bidding in order to reach their heaven of undeath? The whole point of the Cult of the Damned is that it is a cult, its practitioners believe shit that makes no sense either because they're idiots or because they see it as a powerful organization they could take control of (i.e. Baron Rivendare).

[Rolandius]

They worshipped him as a God, who's to say they weren't told that he'd "ascended" to his god hood and they needed to continue doing his bidding in order to reach their heaven of undeath? The whole point of the Cult of the Damned is that it is a cult, its practitioners believe shit that makes no sense either because they're idiots or because they see it as a powerful organization they could take control of (i.e. Baron Rivendare).

It depends on what theory you are going with. If they are taking this chance to break away from the Lich King, why would they care what happened to him or continue his work? If they are told he "ascended" and should continue his work, that doesn't follow the theory that they are trying to break away on their own away from the Lich King. You (not Cantus) can't say that they think he "ascended" and that they need to continue his work but at the same time they are taking this chance to go against the Lich King because he has been weakened and they want to go solo.

[Cantus]

It depends on what theory you are going with. If they are taking this chance to break away from the Lich King, why would they care what happened to him or continue his work? If they are told he "ascended" and should continue his work, that doesn't follow the theory that they are trying to break away on their own away from the Lich King. You (not Cantus) can't say that they think he "ascended" and that they need to continue his work but at the same time they are taking this chance to go against the Lich King because he has been weakened and they want to go solo.I never said the theories were supposed to be taken together, just that each theory works in and of itself. My whole point has been that the story can unfold in any number of humorous/interesting ways and that the Lich King's death is not the end of the Scourge's reign of terror on Azeroth, only a major chapter in its history.

[Ku'ja]

It depends on what theory you are going with. If they are taking this chance to break away from the Lich King, why would they care what happened to him or continue his work? If they are told he "ascended" and should continue his work, that doesn't follow the theory that they are trying to break away on their own away from the Lich King. You (not Cantus) can't say that they think he "ascended" and that they need to continue his work but at the same time they are taking this chance to go against the Lich King because he has been weakened and they want to go solo.

Think Ice Trolls.

[Debatably terrible]

What else, really, are the Cultists of the Damned going to do? These are people who have Seen (and Done) Some Shit, so to speak, and even the less diehard members are probably traumatized and obsessed with the smell of decaying flesh. They can't exactly just take off their robes and go home (especially since the homes of theirs that they didn't destroy are now Forsaken territory, which isn't going to be a receptive area for former willing servants of the Scourge). Most would probably keep doing what they know- raising corpses and killing people- even if they realize that it's for nothing now. Some might just off themselves. It might be interesting to see a haggard few show up at Light's Hope or the Cathedral of Light, begging the Light or the Church for forgiveness for their sins (although I doubt that the clergy or the Argent Dawn would let them get away with just saying a few "Hail Uthers").

[tufy]

In fact, it might be an incredible twist if we actually work with the new Scourge under Bolvar...

Isn't it strange how this is exactly what Kel'Thuzad was trying to do before the whole Cult thing, i.e. create an army of helpful undead?

[Ashendant]

i hope zul'farrak was bigger where they explored the loas of the sandfury but i guess that ain't happening