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Warlock
07-02-2006, 09:12 PM
<A HREF="http://www.amazon.de">Amazon.de</a> has a few brand new pics of the packaging for the upcoming WoW: TCG. There is art for the new <A HREF="http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000FIBT7A/028-6064893-8106916?v=glance&n=12950651">Heroes of Azeroth Starter Deck</a> and the <A HREF="http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000FID9R8/028-6064893-8106916?v=glance&n=12950651">Booster Packs</a> with Horde and Alliance covers. Thanks to <A HREF="http://www.blizzplanet.com/">BlizzPlanet</a> for the heads up.

You can check out the images in our gallery using the thumbnails below:
<center><A HREF="http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=64&pos=1"><IMG SRC="http://www.scrollsoflore.com/wowtcg_starter.gif" border=0></a> <A HREF="http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=64&pos=2"><IMG SRC="http://www.scrollsoflore.com/wowtcg_booster_h.gif" border=0></a> <A HREF="http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=64&pos=3"><IMG SRC="http://www.scrollsoflore.com/wowtcg_booster_a.gif" border=0></a> </center>

Yuber8900
07-03-2006, 01:24 AM
"God dammit Leeroy"

Kerrah
07-03-2006, 01:25 AM
"God dammit Leeroy"
"Its not my fault! *sob*"

Smeedle
07-07-2006, 04:48 AM
Some more info about the TCG and its game mechanics here:
http://www.wowcards.org/news/142/inquest-gamer-previews-the-world-of-warcraft-tcg.php

EDIT: There's also a nice little interview about the Warcraft movie in the same magazine that talks about the TCG:
http://www.wowcards.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16&d=1152239086

Timolas
07-07-2006, 06:50 AM
Some more info about the TCG and its game mechanics here:
http://www.wowcards.org/news/142/inquest-gamer-previews-the-world-of-warcraft-tcg.php

EDIT: There's also a nice little interview about the Warcraft movie in the same magazine that talks about the TCG:
http://www.wowcards.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16&d=1152239086

It displeases me that they will invent a whole new story, and they are not even Blizzard. And Blizzard is leaving them to do it. Really, they can be as careful as they like, but if they're not lore fanatics or Blizzard employees under Metzen's guidance, we are gonna find lore screws in the film.
Even if Metzen corrects some in the script, some will end up in the film.

Warlock
07-07-2006, 07:40 AM
It displeases me that they will invent a whole new story, and they are not even Blizzard. And Blizzard is leaving them to do it.

Richard Knaak, Christie Golden, Jeff Grubb, and Keith DeCandido have already done the exact same thing :P

Kerrah
07-07-2006, 10:11 AM
Richard Knaak, Christie Golden, Jeff Grubb, and Keith DeCandido have already done the exact same thing :P
The movie business is diffrent.

Vicious
07-07-2006, 11:50 AM
Still, they said that Metzen was going to supervise it.

Timolas
07-07-2006, 12:01 PM
Richard Knaak, Christie Golden, Jeff Grubb, and Keith DeCandido have already done the exact same thing :P

The difference though is that in a film, it is being done just for money.
Writers consider writing as more of an art than a money making scheme. If their heart isn't in the writing you get a piece of crap to read.
Writing isn't just something to make money. Its a hobby, and a lifestyle.

Movie making on the other hand - just look at Lord of the Rings. Great films, but original fans were very pissed off. Mr. Jackson shagged a lot of the lore. :p

Warlock
07-07-2006, 01:20 PM
First off, what was wrong with LotR? Peter Jackson did not change the "lore" of Middle Earth. He just changed a couple parts of the BOOK because that's what he was adapting. You can't just put a flat book out there and expect it to be an excellent film. Books aren't scripts. But it's not like he decided that suddenly Hobbits are 8 foot tall guys with machine guns and that Gandalf sneezes on a magic Leprehchan who gets mad and kills Sauron. It's still the same story with a few minor "tweaks" to make it work for film. Considering the LotR movies did amazing and Return of the King won 11 oscars, I think he did alright :P But like I said, that's not even the issue because this is going to be an original script. Outside of the lore, there is nothing for them to "screw up".

Secondly, I find that a very pessimistic view of movie writers. I mean, by that logic every movie sucks because "the writers are just in it for the money". Writers are writers. You have good writers and you have bad writers. That's true for books and film. If the script sucks, do you think Blizzard is going to approve it?

I'd also like to point out as a testiment to movie writers being able to adapt stuff like this, look at all the recent successful Comicbook films in the last few years. Now before X-men came along, comic movies were generally horrible, just like videogame movies. Suddenly they decided to actually *follow* the lore established in those comics and we end up with great movies like X-men, Spiderman, Batman Begins, Superman Returns, etc etc etc. I think the same credo applies here. If the writers can respect the lore of the WarCraft universe (and Blizzard pretty much said they *HAVE TO*), it could turn out really great.

Smeedle
07-07-2006, 01:58 PM
Well, I predict the movie will feature at least one hot night elven chick in a major role - most probably as the love interest of our human main protagonist. ;)

Kerrah
07-07-2006, 02:55 PM
Now before X-men came along, comic movies were generally horrible, just like videogame movies. Suddenly they decided to actually *follow* the lore established in those comics and we end up with great movies like X-men...
X-men movies have nothing to do with the original X-men stories.

Timolas
07-07-2006, 09:20 PM
First off, what was wrong with LotR? Peter Jackson did not change the "lore" of Middle Earth. He just changed a couple parts of the BOOK because that's what he was adapting. You can't just put a flat book out there and expect it to be an excellent film. Books aren't scripts. But it's not like he decided that suddenly Hobbits are 8 foot tall guys with machine guns and that Gandalf sneezes on a magic Leprehchan who gets mad and kills Sauron. It's still the same story with a few minor "tweaks" to make it work for film. Considering the LotR movies did amazing and Return of the King won 11 oscars, I think he did alright :P But like I said, that's not even the issue because this is going to be an original script. Outside of the lore, there is nothing for them to "screw up".

Secondly, I find that a very pessimistic view of movie writers. I mean, by that logic every movie sucks because "the writers are just in it for the money". Writers are writers. You have good writers and you have bad writers. That's true for books and film. If the script sucks, do you think Blizzard is going to approve it?

I'd also like to point out as a testiment to movie writers being able to adapt stuff like this, look at all the recent successful Comicbook films in the last few years. Now before X-men came along, comic movies were generally horrible, just like videogame movies. Suddenly they decided to actually *follow* the lore established in those comics and we end up with great movies like X-men, Spiderman, Batman Begins, Superman Returns, etc etc etc. I think the same credo applies here. If the writers can respect the lore of the WarCraft universe (and Blizzard pretty much said they *HAVE TO*), it could turn out really great.

I think you misunderstood me. :)
LotR was an AMAZING series. I loved it, and I prefer the movies to the books.
What I meant was that many fans were very angry and upset with the way they were done though; I know firsthand because I used to be on LotR forums just like Scrolls of Lore for Warcraft.
Yet Peter Jackson changed a lot of things; Elves at Helm's Deep, Eomer riding to the aid of Helm's Deep instead of Erkenbrand - etc.

What I am saying about the Warcraft movie is not that the movie will be bad, or that the script will suck. I mean it will probably contradict some of the lore; or be less lore accurate than we'd like.
Just like that Warcraft mouse pad posted awhile ago - absolutely nothing having to do with Warcraft.
Script writers don't need to be in it only for the money, but they are there to make something to please a movie theatre that will consist mainly of people who don't know a crap about real Warcraft lore - hence it will be more money making orientated. Not crap - but less Warcrafty.

Batman Begins, watched it, loved it, but it was a whole new story.
In Warcraft, I personally am not in favour of a whole new story. :)

Warlock
07-07-2006, 09:40 PM
I think you misunderstood me. :)
LotR was an AMAZING series. I loved it, and I prefer the movies to the books.
What I meant was that many fans were very angry and upset with the way they were done though; I know firsthand because I used to be on LotR forums just like Scrolls of Lore for Warcraft.
Yet Peter Jackson changed a lot of things; Elves at Helm's Deep, Eomer riding to the aid of Helm's Deep instead of Erkenbrand - etc.

What I am saying about the Warcraft movie is not that the movie will be bad, or that the script will suck. I mean it will probably contradict some of the lore; or be less lore accurate than we'd like.
Just like that Warcraft mouse pad posted awhile ago - absolutely nothing having to do with Warcraft.
Script writers don't need to be in it only for the money, but they are there to make something to please a movie theatre that will consist mainly of people who don't know a crap about real Warcraft lore - hence it will be more money making orientated. Not crap - but less Warcrafty.

Batman Begins, watched it, loved it, but it was a whole new story.
In Warcraft, I personally am not in favour of a whole new story. :)

Actually, Batman Begins was an amalgam of a few different Batman comics. The thing about comic franchises though is that the characters and settings actually *do* change a lot. The idea is that the fundamentals are the same - Batman does not have superpowers, he's a great detective and martial artist, he has all kinds of fancy gadgets and his secret identity is Bruce Wayne. Stuff like that is core to any Batman series. X-men was the same way, and especially they tend to change up which X-men are part of the "core team" every time they do a new comic series with them. I don't even think the original (the very first) had Cyclops as part of the core team (I could be wrong, I don't follow it that well).

The LotR stuff, yeah I understand what you mean there, but again, that wasn't a lore issue. That was just changing an *established* story. It was a book adaptation, so that's why things changed. If this movie was say, the story of WarCraft III and they decided that the Burning Legion destroyed Stormwind or something off the wall like that, such a point might be apt. But this won't follow any of the games. So whatever they do with the story can't change the story because there is no story yet :P

And like I said, the lore will be preserved. Blizzard said that is the one thing they will not allow them to do. Read that article from the magazine scan. And believe me, Blizzard will follow through. I brought up the novels because frankly I imagine it will be exactly the same process. Blizzard says, "Hey write a movie for us. Here is our WarCraft bible with the entire history of the world and all the lore." Then it gets written, Blizzard looks it over. Maybe Blizzard works with the script writers. Any mistakes are corrected. Etc etc. I think it will turn out fine :)

Timolas
07-07-2006, 09:48 PM
And like I said, the lore will be preserved. Blizzard said that is the one thing they will not allow them to do. Read that article from the magazine scan. And believe me, Blizzard will follow through. I brought up the novels because frankly I imagine it will be exactly the same process. Blizzard says, "Hey write a movie for us. Here is our WarCraft bible with the entire history of the world and all the lore." Then it gets written, Blizzard looks it over. Maybe Blizzard works with the script writers. Any mistakes are corrected. Etc etc. I think it will turn out fine :)

I sure hope so ;) If it does then I'll be one happy Timolas - because I have personally been wanting a film for quite some time... it was more of a dream actually, something like "Imagine they made a film of Warcraft!".
Since it was some dream of mine I am perhaps a little too worried that it doesn't disappoint and I guess I'm being a bit too negative over it. :(
All I want is a good movie - not Warcraf 26 The Attack of the Murlocs That Were Defeated in Episode 22 but we need more money so here it is. >_>

Anyway, I guess time will tell. I hope it's good, and personally I doubt it will be a disaster. I'm just a pesimist sometimes..
What scares me is the thought of a crappy plastic orc costume with an American accent actor. ;P

Kerrah
07-08-2006, 10:01 AM
I'd really like to have a movie of the Troll Wars. With Dath'Remar and Thoradin.