Anyone else think WF-nerf was unnecessary?

[Kerrah]

If this is new info for you, windfury totem will be nerfed so that abilities like Sinister Strike or Cleave no longer can proc it, nerfing meleehordeDPS in raids largely.

Anyone else think its unfair?

[Creative]

Yes. It is unfair.

And I am a shaman, which makes it worse. T.T

[Kenzuki]

Awe, is the poor shaman mad he's being balanced? To quote a shaman when the paladins dps got nerfed "GG cry exceedingly more novice."

[Yuber8900]

woo watch as how with every other "major nerf" everyone will quit complaining about it in a week or two.

[Creative]

Nah, I am not crying. The WF wasnt THAT bad for my Elemental build, but I use RB instead now.



((Woohoo, Keeper of the Grove! :D ))

[Kerrah]

((Woohoo, Keeper of the Grove! :D ))
Grats.

Anyway, why do you alliance fanboys speak against shamans in PvE? Shamans are so much worse in raids than paladins.

[Yuber8900]

I'm a Paladin and am sick of getting my ass kited by a shaman everytime I fight. And don't use the "lol bubble" as a defense it's a crutch that's not always up.

[Kerrah]

I'm a Paladin and am sick of getting my ass kited by a shaman everytime I fight. And don't use the "lol bubble" as a defense it's a crutch that's not always up.
This WF nerf has nothing to do with PvP.

[Yuber8900]

Ahem, PVP overpoweredness.

[Timolas]

I am a shaman

"Infidels, they must be purifed!"

*Pewpewpewpew*

[Kerrah]

Ahem, PVP overpoweredness.
That still has nothing to do with Raiding.

[Vicious]

Well deserved nerf.

[Kerrah]

Well deserved nerf.
You mean that alliance isnt already overpowered in PvE material in your opinion?

Read this: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-dungeons-en&T=83548&P=1

Edit: Blizzard has seen the light:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=1136493&p=1&tmp=1#post1136493

[Kenzuki]

A shaman has no right to call anything overpowered. :sweatdrop

[Kerrah]

A shaman has no right to call anything overpowered. :sweatdrop
Actually, in this case its based in numbers and logical sence, instead of the Night Elf Rogues saiying: "NERFSHAMMYSCUZTHEYPWNME!!!!!!"

[Yuber8900]

Gee if Alliance are overpowered in PVE, then Horde must be overpowered in PVP!

There's your balance.

[Kerrah]

Gee if Alliance are overpowered in PVE, then Horde must be overpowered in PVP!

There's your balance.
Read: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-dungeons-en&T=83548&P=1

Then talk.

[Yuber8900]

No.


feh

[Kerrah]

Ok, i'll quote the part im aiming at:

Q:horde PVP, alliance PVE QQ more n00b shut ur mouth crybaby!

That is a bad argument, and also a myth. Alliance, and the Paladin is very strong in PvP. So is Shaman. Also, even if for some wierd reason somebody thought palas arent good in pvp, it still has nothing to do with raid balance. Raid and pvp are unrelated, for some this is hard to understand, but it's the truth. Should they have made Paladins worse in PvP when they got greater blessings and thus even better in PVE? Of course not.
I think he said it pretty well.

And then the Conclusion part as well:
Conclusion

● Alliance has better manaregen, offensive power, mobility and defensive power in raids.
● Even under optimal conditions, around half of the Horde raid is unbuffed. Alliance has stronger buffs, and everyone has buffs. This means that the difference in buffing effectiveness is more than double!
● In mobile encounters totems either lose effectiviness, or are useless.
● In Bosses which require something else than standard group composition, generally less than 10 people get meaningful buffs, if the shaman bothers at all because it is frustrating to buff one person in a group with totems that still cost mana afterall.
● Shamans, or Horde have no perks over paladins to make up for this.
● This has been broken for more than a year now. Recently released 1.11 was shaman talent review. If that was not time for fix, is Blizzard ever going to do it?
● Blizzard has not made honest stance on this of yet. Everytime we get sort of a reply regarding the issue, the real issues get dodged, and we get served with somesort response along the lines of "well you don't maybe have this, but you have this and that". The problem is, these generalizing answers always point to a Shaman perks that, honestly don't exist. Just an example, it's been like this for a year http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=8840551&tmp=1#post8840551
No offence to him, he is probably a CM, not developer, but this is what we get.
● We have heard few vague noises of possible changes to Shamans in 1.12. I can't describe it better than that. We have not seen or heard anything about that since. There is no reason to even think this is probable. People were expecting things in 1.11 too.
● This is getting old. Really old. Players are getting apathetic. Is Blizzard really oblivious to this all, or is this part of a strategy? We know Blizzard doesn't have a raid team, they need guilds to do the testing of new instances. Scary, isn't it?
● Eyonix became "the enemy of the shamans" on US forums, because instead of giving Shamans more info about their conserns, he responded to people making personal insults on him, but what info was he supposed to give the Shamans if the devs have nothing to give to him?

(ps. His name means Hugkiss in Finnish)

[Kenzuki]

Dude seriously, when the paladins complained about their dps nerfs, the shaman all swarmed and said "GG crai more noobs" or something else retarded. So now it's payback. Honestly, you still have your insta cast shock spams to use.

[Kerrah]

Dude seriously, when the paladins complained about their dps nerfs, the shaman all swarmed and said "GG crai more noobs" or something else retarded. So now it's payback. Honestly, you still have your insta cast shock spams to use.
What, when did they nerf Pally DPS, last time i looked, it was buffed in their rewamp.

Anyways, how much of Raggy or Nef Damge do you think Frostshock does?

[Kenzuki]

In all honesty, the paladin should be the one more focused on combat, considering the shaman was always a leather wearing spellcaster.

[Timolas]

There is damn well no denying Shamans are too good in PvP.

As a Hunter, you can't run, you can't stop them.
They shock you with some instant cast thing, slowing you down, meaning you cant get away from them to fire at them. Meaning you die in seconds.
If you do get away from them by rooting them to the ground then they will finish you off with spells. Drain all their mana? Done that almost every time. It regenerates and they shock me once, and finish me off in seconds.
If you do manage to survive awhile, some of their mana regenerates, they heal, and finish you off. You die in other words. Dead. Gone.

I have never I believe, soloed a Shaman who has had the advantage of spotting me first. No matter what level range or sitiuation. It isn't because I suck either, because I've had some pretty neat scores and fights, eg killing a level 60 rogue at level 57 when he had full advantage. Or a 60 mage at level 54... but Shamans? No. You dai! Pewpewpepw!

Btw!!!!
Hi, I fly a Roflcopter. Do you want to see what is in my pocket? It shoots acid.

[Kakwakas]

I seem to recall a phrase that the shamans used to always tell the pallies...
it's fine, learn2play

[Yuber8900]

The damage done by SoC was reduced from 100% weapon damage on proc to 70% with an "increase" in proc chance.

[Kerrah]

The damage done by SoC was reduced from 100% weapon damage on proc to 70% with an "increase" in proc chance.
Ok, but the retribution tree was made doable.

And to timolas, the fact that a shaman can own more classes than a paladin in BG or while collecting Sand in Silithus still has nothing to do with their actions inside a high level instance.

Thanks to the Carebearism of WoW, one_does_not_have_to_pvp_even_one_time, but on the other hand, if you dont have enough time, you dont have to go to high-level instances. And since PvPing is not possible inside those instances and works with completely diffrent systems, needs the use of completely diffrent tactics and completely diffrent kind of skills, PvP and high-level instances are completely unrelated and a class should not be bad in one of them just becouse it is good in the other.

Its about the same thing as saying: "In Diablo2 Druids can summon creatures! Nerf Druids in WoW!"

edit: and yeah, shamans should be more casterlike in my opinion too.

[Timolas]

Ok, but the retribution tree was made doable.

And to timolas, the fact that a shaman can own more classes than a paladin in BG or while collecting Sand in Silithus still has nothing to do with their actions inside a high level instance.

Thanks to the Carebearism of WoW, one_does_not_have_to_pvp_even_one_time, but on the other hand, if you dont have enough time, you dont have to go to high-level instances. And since PvPing is not possible inside those instances and works with completely diffrent systems, needs the use of completely diffrent tactics and completely diffrent kind of skills, PvP and high-level instances are completely unrelated and a class should not be bad in one of them just becouse it is good in the other.

Its about the same thing as saying: "In Diablo2 Druids can summon creatures! Nerf Druids in WoW!"

edit: and yeah, shamans should be more casterlike in my opinion too.

Shamans may be worse in PvE, but god forbid they buff them to own in that and don't nerf them in PvP. There needs to be a balance. Buffing them in PvE will just make everyone hate them more.

[Kerrah]

Shamans may be worse in PvE, but god forbid they buff them to own in that and don't nerf them in PvP. There needs to be a balance. Buffing them in PvE will just make everyone hate them more.
I agree with nerfing Shammy PvP, but if they wont buff their raidabilities at the meanwhile, we will have just another broken class.

[Yuber8900]

Blizzard sure knows how to devert attention heh.

Reminds me of the episode of familiy guy where Brian's gaj cousin Jaspar wanted to get married.

[Vicious]

I don´t know why you guys are complaining about the pve ability of the Shaman, the Horde can do more damage overall with Restoration shamans because of its mana totem and do Horde has much better kiting then the Alliance again because of totems.

[Kerrah]

I don´t know why you guys are complaining about the pve ability of the Shaman, the Horde can do more damage overall with Restoration shamans because of its mana totem and do Horde has much better kiting then the Alliance again because of totems.
Blessing of Wisdom is better than Manaspring totem. And even manatide totem becouse you can have BoW on 24/7.

[Yuber8900]

Blessing of Wisdom is better than Manaspring totem. And even manatide totem becouse you can have BoW on 24/7.

Horde will now be getting this ability real soon.

[Kerrah]

Horde will now be getting this ability real soon.
Not for another 6 months.

[Yuber8900]

Not for another 6 months.

And? Kel'Thuzad might not even be down by then.

[Kerrah]

It still is not "real soon now".

[Yuber8900]

Like it really matters anyways.

[Orto]

A well deserved nerf.

Shamans are supposed to be the caster oriented hybrid.

[Kerrah]

A well deserved nerf.

Shamans are supposed to be the caster oriented hybrid.
It was called off.

[Vicious]

The fact is that concerning raid instances, the only one where Alliance has an advantage is Naxxramas because of the paladins and knowing wow´s development team, i just know they´ll add an anti-undead spell to the shamans.