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06-12-2012, 11:02 AM

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Demon Hunters in Cataclysm and beyond

Upon reflecting on Cataclysm, I realized there was quite the future foundation laying for Demon Hunters.

1. Achievement for finding Demon Hunter in Darkshore "Ghosts in the Dark"
2. Long quest chain with Blood Mage which has you bring a Demon Hunter back from the dead, which nobly makes a big sacrifice right afterwards.
3. Felwood, Demon Hunter named Feronas Sindweller is a kill target for a quest, only to find that he has been killing demons, rather than druids. He then proceeds to show you what most NPCs and all of BC seem to ignore, Illidan sought power, but not to conquer or lord over others, but rather to help his people and prove himself to Night Elves, in particular Tyrande. He did these things, however, with a reckless attitude (poor Lord Blackforest).

So all of these were added in Cataclysm, which makes me wonder about the possibility of a Demon Hunter class in the next expansion. HOWEVER, I find that there are a couple of things in the way of that.

1. Demo Warlocks are becoming more and more like WC3 Metamorphosis Demon Hunters (Book in Stormwind explains a warlock learned the secrets to Illidan's transformation)
2. The Warlock challenge set in Mists of Pandaria is extremely Illidan themed, which going along with the Demo Warlock changes, makes me wonder if the lore is trying to peg Illidan and Demon Hunters into the Warlock class. This would be an alternative to having Demon Hunters having their own theme and class(with the obvious exception of not using warglaives).

So what does this evidence point to? Illidan is likely coming back, but will Demon Hunters be a new class? Or will their theme be absorbed into Demo Warlocks? What was the purpose of laying all this foundation in Cataclysm?

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#3 06-12-2012, 11:08 AM
Xarthat Eternal Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hearthglen Posts: 3,384	They're definitely making Demo warlocks into Demon Hunters. We just need to give warlocks ability to dual wield and add in to the game off-hand caster swords, and then we're done. __________________ Only by working together, can we succeed. Tirion Fordring

06-12-2012, 11:24 AM

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They're definitely making Demo warlocks into Demon Hunters. We just need to give warlocks ability to dual wield and add in to the game off-hand caster swords, and then we're done.

don't forget Night Elves and blindfolds

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06-12-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeBlader

At this point warlocks seem more powerful than demon hunters. DH's are relics of the past with outdated knowledge.

take it back.

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06-12-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeBlader

At this point warlocks seem more powerful than demon hunters. DH's are relics of the past with outdated knowledge.

I agree, in part. Demon hunters were basically wannabe warlocks with rather specialized knowledge. This class folding strikes me as being a very good thing, to catapult warlocks further into the spotlight by using an archetype that's at least antiheroic instead of totally villainous. I also like how demonology involves taking on demonic traits as well as just commanding demons.

06-12-2012, 11:08 AM

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I'm hoping that more demon hunter lore is folded into warlocks, personally.

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06-12-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lon-ami

Demon hunters are perfect as a playable class or hero class, and it's bound to happen some day

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You monster!

Hows that delusion working out for ya.

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06-12-2012, 11:14 AM

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Hows that delusion working out for ya.

He's got an "Aqir colony" in Pandaria (or a next best thing), so I think he's rather happy for now.

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06-12-2012, 11:17 AM

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He's got an "Aqir colony" in Pandaria (or a next best thing), so I think he's rather happy for now.

ARE THE MANTID REALLY AQIR!? Me gusta

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06-12-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Montoya

a warlock learned the secrets to Illidan's transformation

This kinda irks me. He consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, that's it. What 'secret' is there?

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06-12-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfElfDragon

This kinda irks me. He consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, that's it. What 'secret' is there?

The secret is about how exactly Illidan and his apprentices manipulated those powers to turn into Atiesh-like shadowy demons.

#15 06-12-2012, 12:27 PM
Reignac Arch-Druid Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Yes. Posts: 1,703	Yeah, Demon Hunters could turn into demons before Illidan got the skull. It was a spell in WC3, Illidan casts it on us in Well of Eternity, and the DH in Darkshore uses it too. Illidan's transformation just became permanent (and not shadowy) after he got the skull is all.

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06-12-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reignac

Yeah, Demon Hunters could turn into demons before Illidan got the skull. It was a spell in WC3, Illidan casts it on us in Well of Eternity, and the DH in Darkshore uses it too.

Illidan's transformation just became permanent (and not shadowy) after he got the skull is all.

I assumed that other WC3 DHs were random and non-canon. Didn't know about the Well of Eternity spell.

Also, the interesting thing is, Illidan first became shadowy, then strangely normal again, then permanent.

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06-13-2012, 07:55 PM

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Ooh, taking down a 5 player party! Having them talk to each other during the fight. The Demon Shaman asks if he should use bloodlust now, and they all shout yes.

"Pop lust! Pop lust!"
That beautiful RRAWWRLLURAGGHHRRAAGHHAAH!! sound
"Why did you pop lust?!"

That tends to be my experience on my Shaman. >.>

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard

I assumed that other WC3 DHs were random and non-canon. Didn't know about the Well of Eternity spell.

I thought most random Heroes were non-canon, too, but we've seen them pop up a couple times. Dalar Dawnweaver was an Archmage in WC3, in WoW he's the Forsaken mage in Sepulcher. The Demon Hunter in Felwood is named Sindweller, who was a random DH in WC3. Ras Frostwhisper in Scholomance was also a random generated WC3 name.
Probably missing a couple more.

Here's the spell in the WoE dungeon, BTW:
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=105009
It turns the entire party into Metamorphosis-style demons, and Illidan is the one who casts it. I think that and the guy in Darkshore using Meta when you fight him is enough to say it's a canon ability to Demon Hunters.

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06-12-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfElfDragon

This kinda irks me. He consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, that's it. What 'secret' is there?

I'd say it comes from magic itself always being referred to as "secret", I think it fits finely as it would inherently be a secret to most. Fel magic, being very taboo, is also likely more secret than more acceptable Arcane practices.

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06-12-2012, 01:01 PM

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also worthy of note:

At Blizzcon when they showed the new talent preview for Warlocks, there was a talent for Warlocks

http://www.blizzplanet.com/wp-conten...m-panel-91.jpg

named Illidan's Guile. This has been replaced by a Mannoroth themed talent. There is a reason Blizzard changed this, but what is this reason?

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#2 06-12-2012, 11:06 AM
Xilizhra Elune Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5,049	I'm hoping that more demon hunter lore is folded into warlocks, personally.

#4 06-12-2012, 11:13 AM
Reignac Arch-Druid Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Yes. Posts: 1,703	Until recently I would have said make the Demon Hunters a separate class, but MoP is pretty much making Warlocks into them. No reason to make a new class when all locks are missing is dual-wielding.

#6 06-12-2012, 11:28 AM
SmokeBlader Elune Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Black Harvest Lair Posts: 11,123	At this point warlocks seem more powerful than demon hunters. DH's are relics of the past with outdated knowledge.

#16 06-12-2012, 12:32 PM
Jungleluke Elune Join Date: May 2012 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 5,096	They could always come up with something revolutionary about the Demon Hunters.