Because people do, in some cases, like mary sues.

I dunno. He wasn't that jarring.

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...what just happened?

how do you come to the conclusion that he was a mary sue? do you even know what the term is, or are you just using it because you think it makes you sound cool?

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Richard A. Knaak, the Ron Jeremy of Warcraft Lore.

Brozigar was just as bad as Rhonin and Krasus. The only difference is he got a badass death which endeared people to him.

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One could only hope all Mary Sues die.


Nope, couldn't keep a straight face, typing that.

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I might be alone is this but I think Knaaks Orcs are some of his more enjoyable characters in his early Warcraft works than his humans and elves. Nekros Skullcrusher is far and away my favorite character in Day of the Dragon. Broxigar comes out of the post Warcraft III "can't we all just get along" Orcs. Someone that had crossed the Dark Portal fought in the first and second wars and they lingered in the Camps thinking about his crimes for many years, til freed by Thrall.

Yeah Broxigar is over the top in the fact that he cuts Sargeras but that has more to with the weapon he is using than he exceptional in any way. I dare say is is closest thing to an everyman character in the War of the Ancients Trilogy. Which is going to endear him to a lot of people.

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The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance-it is the illusion of knowledge

A sue by definition is a character who wins in everything they do and never fails to achieve what they want. By the fact Brox didn't die when he wanted to with his friends, and he got captured by nelves, debunks any notion of that. He did die and epic death like he wanted, probably the most epic death in warcraft lore I'd say, but it still counted as having lost.

People overuse the term sue like a buzz word. It really quite unoriginal.

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Richard A. Knaak, the Ron Jeremy of Warcraft Lore.

Because he had the decency to die. In the same trilogy he first appeared in.

Again another reason. His legacy was created because of his brother Saurfang being present in wow, and his actions only reflected in the major events of war of the ancients.
just because he's a knaak character, remarkably, didn't make him a sue.

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Richard A. Knaak, the Ron Jeremy of Warcraft Lore.

He also not the chieftain of some lost orc clan he doesn't have a romantic interest. The only thing remarkable about him is he is the only orc in that time due to horrible horrible time travel plot which has nothing to do with him as a character.

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Going with this. Also, he wasn't acting as self-important and douchey as Krasus and Rhonin were. His only task was to kill shit, which he did. Nicking Sargeras was pretty over the top, but he died anyway so, yeah

Exactly fine points on both.

Heres the thing. Well I can say my dislike for Knaak writing is held there, when it comes down to it, characters in the stories were ones (except rhonin, and Krasus I think) put forward by the blizzard devs themselves, and knaak just worked with them. So the concept of Broxigar was solid, even if the writing in the book was done by knaak.
To that I say give Brox is due.

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Richard A. Knaak, the Ron Jeremy of Warcraft Lore.

How is Broxigar a mary sue? All he fucking did was nick Sargeras. The only reason he was even able to do that was because he had a magic axe given to him by a demigod. So lets recap:

Broxigar gets magic axe
Broxigar nicks Sargeras
Broxigar gets skewered by Sargeras

How does that make him a mary sue?

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Badass character? Sure, why not.

Most badass character in the entire franchise? Not by a long shot.

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"A few nights back some guy threw a ball and told me to fetch. In response, I did the same, but with his head. Needless to say, he didn't have a witty comeback." - Sniffy Pete

I wouldn't necessarily call Broxigar a mary-sue. More than either of the other temporally displaced characters, he at least felt properly out of place, like he was haplessly out of his element and unsure what to do.

As opposed to Krasus and Rhonin, who after a brief stint of trying to be temporally responsible and not change things, pretty much interpreted Hakkar the Houndmaster's premature death as a divine permission slip
to embrace their new-found status as champions of their own personal causality loop where they named the Demon Soul and taught Illidan how to properly use magic.

(God, I hate causality loops. Talk about something that only seems clever for the ten seconds it takes to realize that they don't make any sense whatsoever.)

Broxigar is well-served by the fact that the story's never pursued the vague suggestion of Sargeras' encounter with him leading to the corruption of the orcs (nor should it; we have perfectly good reasons for that stuff without such a superfluous thing). Beyond his brief encounter with Sargeras, he spent much of his time in a cell not doing a whole lot. He stands alone in the WotA trilogy in retaining his semi-believable status as a time-traveler whose presence isn't somehow turned into an excuse to make him a key contributor to everything important that ever happened.

In a way he basically did the job that any single orc facing insurmountable adversity is supposed to. He cracked a bunch of heads and went down in a blaze of glory. Any orc worth his salt would be expected to turn anything from a standoff against the Burning Legion to a fatal accident with a wheat thresher into an epic and glorious death; that's what Broxigar started out wishing he could do, and that's what he did when the opportunity arose. Whatever else the legends and stories of his passing might suggest, Broxigar himself was never twisted into anything other than what he was at the start.

If Krasus or Rhonin never appeared outside of a few books and died/were incapacitated before they became too grating, people wouldn't have a low opinion of the.

The fact they manage to find their way into every goddamn Knaak book is what pisses people off. Broxigar wasn't the main character of the Trilogy and before we got tired of him he died.

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This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask. Was it true, in T:WotA that Rhonin is the bearer of the new legendary staff?

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No. Unless I'm mistaken, neither are in the book.

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Ah, thank goodness. I remember first hearing that rumor and just feeling disgusted.

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He definitely looks like a Blackrock, unlike Varok, Eitrigg, Ariok, etc.

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Eitrigg and Ariok both use the Blackrock skin. The only reason Saurfang doesn't is likely because they didn't decide he was a Blackrock until years later.

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Fairly sure Brox came around before Saurfang, and Saurfang was the one who took his legacy..

Unless I'm mistaken they actually came about independently and then were decided the be brothers after the fact.

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