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Old 01-15-2012, 12:19 PM
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Magistrix, Fojar, cut the crazyness, first warning for the both of you.

Fojar, you need to start learning the difference between harassment and a little trolling. If I was even half as sensitive as you, I'd have banned half this forum for joking around about my reactions to things. Man up for Christ's sake, otherwise you'll never have friends in real life, much less have people listening to your opinion on the net.

Magistrix, the language in your responses to Fojar's requests does constitute harassment (as well as Fojar's own responses including calling you a tool). Trolling isn't a big deal, calling someone an idiot repeatedly is.
I'm sorry for overreacting. It does feel like Verdande has a bit of a personal vendetta against me that I'm sick of though, and that might make me overly sensitive I admit.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:22 PM
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I'm sorry for overreacting. It does feel like Verdande has a bit of a personal vendetta against me that I'm sick of though, and that might make me overly sensitive I admit.
Almost everyone on this forum has a personal vendetta against you.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:24 PM
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I'm sorry for overreacting. It does feel like Verdande has a bit of a personal vendetta against me that I'm sick of though, and that might make me overly sensitive I admit.
It's just a game and this is a forum of game lore. So no need to be too serious.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:25 PM
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Almost everyone on this forum has a personal vendetta against you.
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It's just a game and this is a forum of game lore. So no need to be too serious.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:27 PM
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I'm sorry for overreacting. It does feel like Verdande has a bit of a personal vendetta against me that I'm sick of though, and that might make me overly sensitive I admit.
You're making excuses. You keep making excuses, you'll never learn how to deal with life properly. Either you man up and accept you need to improve how you communicate as well as how you take things, or you don't and excuse yourself into loneliness.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:27 PM
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Almost everyone on this forum has a personal vendetta against you.

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Old 01-15-2012, 12:27 PM
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Almost everyone on this forum has a personal vendetta against you.
I don't really believe that. Like Cantus pointed out, there's a difference between trolling and harassment and most people on this forums actions fall in the former category (and usually with no malevolence in them.)

Verdande however, every time he appears and addresses me it usually takes the form of very harsh harassment. Verdande has told me to kill myself multiple times.

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You're making excuses. You keep making excuses, you'll never learn how to deal with life properly. Either you man up and accept you need to improve how you communicate as well as how you take things, or you don't and excuse yourself into loneliness.
A) I don't have a life of lonliness. You realize I do stuff outside of posting on forums, right?

B) I already know that I need to improve how I communicate and take things over the internet. I'm beginning to regret making the effort to apologize in this thread instead of just pretending what happened never did though. It's really beginning to feel like I can't win no matter what I do.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:29 PM
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I don't really believe that. Like Cantus pointed out, there's a difference between trolling and harassment and most people on this forums actions fall in the former category (and usually with no malevolence in them.)

Verdande however, every time he appears and addresses me it usually takes the form of very harsh harassment. Verdande has told me to kill myself multiple times.
I'm pretty sure I've told a few people to kill themselves a few time. I know I've told that to Slowpokeking.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:30 PM
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I'm pretty sure I've told a few people to kill themselves a few time. I know I've told that to Slowpokeking.
And yet I get the feeling that if I did the same thing I'd get slapped with another month-long ban.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:31 PM
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:42 PM
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I don't really believe that. Like Cantus pointed out, there's a difference between trolling and harassment and most people on this forums actions fall in the former category (and usually with no malevolence in them.)

Verdande however, every time he appears and addresses me it usually takes the form of very harsh harassment. Verdande has told me to kill myself multiple times.



A) I don't have a life of lonliness. You realize I do stuff outside of posting on forums, right?

B) I already know that I need to improve how I communicate and take things over the internet. I'm beginning to regret making the effort to apologize in this thread instead of just pretending what happened never did though. It's really beginning to feel like I can't win no matter what I do.
Look kid, I can't help you if you're unwilling to help yourself. Either take my advice or don't, but the consequences I speak of aren't relegated to this site alone. Real life is never as forgiving as I am, that much I can guarantee.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:42 PM
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Seriously, it's just a game forum, I don't think it's mature to attack someone on person simply because he/she disagrees some game lore with you, no matter how annoying that is. Of course, know how to express idea and have conversation with people is also important.


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Old 01-15-2012, 12:45 PM
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Look kid, I can't help you if you're unwilling to help yourself. Either take my advice or don't, but the consequences I speak of aren't relegated to this site alone. Real life is never as forgiving as I am, that much I can guarantee.
Well...you haven't really offered any advice in this thread beyond "improve your internet communication skills and learn to let things go," both of which are admitted problems for me that I've been making an effort to improve. I should point out that this isn't a problem I have in real life however.

That said, my efforts to improve haven't been particularly well received thus far on these forums, which is discouraging.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:49 PM
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Seriously, it's just a game forum, I don't think it's mature to attack someone on person simply because he/she disagrees some game lore with you, no matter how annoying that is. Of course, know how to express idea and have conversation with people is also important.

No you didn't.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:50 PM
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Seriously, it's just a game forum, I don't think it's mature to attack someone on person simply because he/she disagrees some game lore with you, no matter how annoying that is. Of course, know how to express idea and have conversation with people is also important.




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Old 01-15-2012, 12:55 PM
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I think Magistrix Verdande's sig is totally OK. If I saw someone use quote like "Moira is awesome" from me I will give it a laugh. It's not even trolling.

However, calling people idiot or kill yourself is a little bit cross the line.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:00 PM
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Well...you haven't really offered any advice in this thread beyond "improve your internet communication skills and learn to let things go," both of which are admitted problems for me that I've been making an effort to improve. I should point out that this isn't a problem I have in real life however.

That said, my efforts to improve haven't been particularly well received thus far on these forums, which is discouraging.
To be honest I did notice people sometimes bating you a little bit on previously established behavior. The problem is more often then not you couldn't resist it, which is what I suspect the problem is.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:04 PM
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Well...you haven't really offered any advice in this thread beyond "improve your internet communication skills and learn to let things go," both of which are admitted problems for me that I've been making an effort to improve. I should point out that this isn't a problem I have in real life however.

That said, my efforts to improve haven't been particularly well received thus far on these forums, which is discouraging.
Change takes time and a willing audience, but it also requires that you censor yourself. I still see you (among several others) arguing points ad nauseum. I see you getting so invested in things you can't pull yourself out and say "it's ok to disagree." Most importantly, you take every slight or jibe, even the ones that are just trying to be friendly, as a serious insult. Look at me, I'm Lord Cat Nipples, emperor of the milk bowl and cute kittens, but why the hell do I care? Yea, you can quote me on that too.

Learn to lighten up, to joke around, to be more social. That's why this forum exists, to speak your mind without uber-censorship and to be [constructively] critical of both the media and others. We're here not only to share our ideas, but to make sure those ideas are sound, and the best way to do that is to make the environment itself comfortable enough to do that. So, stop trying to impress only your ideas and start being a social animal.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:04 PM
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Fojar's problem is simple.

We were talking about "badass" yesterday. I always think the most important part of true badass is beat the weakness of yourself, that's more important than beat anyone else, that includes:

Show your enemy respect and give them praise when they are truly strong, but always believe you are gonna bring them down.

Most of the badass people in real life I've seen got this.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:18 PM
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le tvtropes description

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Rule Of Cool personified.

Badass is an adjective used to describe a character who gets away with outright insane stunts (defusing a bomb with their teeth, conning a mob boss, getting into a firefight with the entire army, etc.) that would be VERY hard to pull off in real life, or would get the person trying it killed several times over. A Badass is a fantasy figure whom the audience roots for precisely because of how prone they are to awesome moments, to the point where they stretch or break the Willing Suspension of Disbelief. Of course, Willing Suspension of Disbelief may still be maintained depending on the mechanics of the universe.

It's notable that fans are more likely to tolerate a violent monster of a "hero" than a befuddled, cowardly Type I Anti Hero.

Most attempts to parody or deconstruct the Badass have turned into Misaimed Fandom — no matter how nutty the character gets (like Rorschach from Watchmen), the fans just cheer on how Badass the character is. This has led to a new trope: the Heroic Sociopath. Writers beware: Take it too far and either God Mode Sue or Jerk Sue will stride Out of the Inferno of your work.

For a child-friendly version of the Badass whose badassery is somewhat diminished by the limitations of the work, see Badbutt.

For a not so complete list of badasses see Badass of the Week.

This trope is not what you say to a Stubborn Mule. Characters that are Badass are often said to have Brass Balls.
So yeah, you could say that technically Fojar was right and Nathanos badassery is informed (because we dont see it). But YMMV
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:20 PM
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Change takes time and a willing audience, but it also requires that you censor yourself. I still see you (among several others) arguing points ad nauseum. I see you getting so invested in things you can't pull yourself out and say "it's ok to disagree." Most importantly, you take every slight or jibe, even the ones that are just trying to be friendly, as a serious insult. Look at me, I'm Lord Cat Nipples, emperor of the milk bowl and cute kittens, but why the hell do I care? Yea, you can quote me on that too.

Learn to lighten up, to joke around, to be more social. That's why this forum exists, to speak your mind without uber-censorship and to be [constructively] critical of both the media and others. We're here not only to share our ideas, but to make sure those ideas are sound, and the best way to do that is to make the environment itself comfortable enough to do that. So, stop trying to impress only your ideas and start being a social animal.
I may have overreacted regarding the signature, but I think that I've gotten better about some of the things that you've pointed out. I haven't talked about the Forsaken on these forums for a while.

As for the taking things too seriously, it's difficult to tell when a comment is being made in jest or when it's an actual attack. Sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet and what cases constitute an attack and what cases constitute just joking around? I really do want to improve and I'm willing to listen.
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As for the taking things too seriously, it's difficult to tell when a comment is being made in jest or when it's an actual attack.
Assume that any comment on SoL is made in jest.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:29 PM
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I may have overreacted regarding the signature, but I think that I've gotten better about some of the things that you've pointed out. I haven't talked about the Forsaken on these forums for a while.

As for the taking things too seriously, it's difficult to tell when a comment is being made in jest or when it's an actual attack. Sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet and what cases constitute an attack and what cases constitute just joking around? I really do want to improve and I'm willing to listen.
Think of everyone as your highschool buddies if that helps, their all assholes, jerks and douchebags but their your dudes.

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Behold, the CURE!!!

In theory it solves all the problems of the world, though those not using it may disagree.
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Behold, the CURE!!!

In theory it solves all the problems of the world, though those not using it may disagree.
*stops backcombing his hair and putting on lipstick*

Not what I was expecting... call me disappointed.
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