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Old 04-28-2012, 06:24 PM
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After much procrastination I finally completed the revamped Desolace quests. Uniting the centaur was very fun, but I noticed something strange. They keep talking about "Cenarion". Saying things like

-"For our father, Cenarion!"
-"May the blessings of Cenarion rain down upon you as it has this land, <race>."
-"We stand united as the sons of Cenarion thanks to you!"
-"Long live the children of Cenarion!"

Who is "Cenarion"? Is it some misspelling of Cenarius? A centaur name for Zaetar? Some sort of centaur-god? It doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:30 PM
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After much procrastination I finally completed the revamped Desolace quests. Uniting the centaur was very fun, but I noticed something strange. They keep talking about "Cenarion". Saying things like

-"For our father, Cenarion!"
-"May the blessings of Cenarion rain down upon you as it has this land, <race>."
-"We stand united as the sons of Cenarion thanks to you!"
-"Long live the children of Cenarion!"

Who is "Cenarion"? Is it some misspelling of Cenarius? A centaur name for Zaetar? Some sort of centaur-god? It doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else.
I always assumed he was some unspecified Centaur historical figure or possibly god (just like, say, Ageon). Etymologically it's pretty much between "Cenarius" and "Centaur".
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:33 PM
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After much procrastination I finally completed the revamped Desolace quests. Uniting the centaur was very fun, but I noticed something strange. They keep talking about "Cenarion". Saying things like

-"For our father, Cenarion!"
-"May the blessings of Cenarion rain down upon you as it has this land, <race>."
-"We stand united as the sons of Cenarion thanks to you!"
-"Long live the children of Cenarion!"

Who is "Cenarion"? Is it some misspelling of Cenarius? A centaur name for Zaetar? Some sort of centaur-god? It doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else.
Most of the druid organizations have the word Cenarion in their name. I guess it is another way to say Cenarius or a mixture of Cenarius and Malfurion (the founders of the Cenarion Circle). If it is the later I guess having the Centaurs use the name Cenarion might just be an error.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:34 PM
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I always assumed he was some unspecified Centaur historical figure or possibly god (just like, say, Ageon). Etymologically it's pretty much between "Cenarius" and "Centaur".
Most likely, I'm still surprised its never been brought up before. Even Ageon has had some discussions here and is talked about on Wowpedia.

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Old 04-28-2012, 06:40 PM
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It could be that, considering the centaur dont have scripture (I think), "Cenarius" eventually degraded into "Cenarion"
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Most likely, I'm still surprised its never been brought up before. Even Ageon has had some discussions here and is talked about on Wowpedia.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:45 PM
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I always assumed he was some unspecified Centaur historical figure or possibly god (just like, say, Ageon). Etymologically it's pretty much between "Cenarius" and "Centaur".
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I'll repost my theories in an extended format in hopes that someone will read them... Here we go:

We've got the Cenarion Circle and Cenarion Expedition. What do those organizations have in common with Centaurs? They are all related to Cenarius. This implicates that Cenarion a synonym for Cenarius.

Then there's also the fact that the Cenarion Circle was founded by Cenarius and Malfurion which would lead credence to my second theory. If this is the case, and Cenarion is a combination of the founders names, then the usage of the word Cenarion in this quest line is an error.

Omacron, if possible, find out what Cenarion stands for. (Unless they don't allow you to tell us )

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I had always thought of it as an adjective meaning "-relating to/of Cenarius", like the "Thuzadin" necromancers in Stratholme.
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Old 04-28-2012, 07:01 PM
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I had always thought of it as an adjective meaning "-relating to/of Cenarius", like the "Thuzadin" necromancers in Stratholme.
This. Thats why I thinks its a bastardization of Cenarius in the Centaur case
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I'm guessing it is a typo, or them being poetic.

I've always assumed that Cenarion was the adjective from of Cenarius.
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I've always assumed that Cenarion was the adjective from of Cenarius.

Yeah. I'm guessing whoever wrote those lines confused Cenarius and Zaetar and thought that Cenarion was his name instead.
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Old 04-28-2012, 08:10 PM
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Yeah. I'm guessing whoever wrote those lines confused Cenarius and Zaetar and thought that Cenarion was his name instead.
Then Bridge Brilliance would apply as Zaetar is a Cenarion
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Old 04-28-2012, 11:00 PM
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As far as Elven organizations called up after actual people goes, it's always struck me as odd that the Elves chose "Cenarion" and not "Cenari".
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:21 AM
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As far as Elven organizations called up after actual people goes, it's always struck me as odd that the Elves chose "Cenarion" and not "Cenari".
Cenari just sounds weird.
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Old 04-29-2012, 01:41 AM
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Well, it's how elves typically call themselves once they become followers. Followers of Illidan became Illidari. Azshari. Illusiari.

The Cenari wouldn't sound odd if it was named that from the get-go.
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Well, it's how elves typically call themselves once they become followers. Followers of Illidan became Illidari. Azshari. Illusiari.

The Cenari wouldn't sound odd if it was named that from the get-go.
What are "Illusiari?"

Of those three, I can only find Illidari and Azshari in-game, and the latter's only used for an inanimate object in a quest and the second half of the name of the Highborne capital. The moniker for Azshara's followers was Quel'dorei, which at the time was the literal ford for "the Highborne", and being Highborne inherently made them hers. Some of her followers having some cultish name like "the Azshari" would be kind of redundant, since their very existence as naga (and before that Highborne elves) already bears the built-in assumption of being their queen's personal caste of special snowflakes.

Plus hypothetically, if Cenarius' name were similarly adapted, it would probably be "Cenarii" with two i's, since Illidan's followers were the Illidari and not the Illidi. Nonetheless, the druids don't really call themselves "Cenarions" the same way the Illidari associated themselves with Illidan. "Cenarion Protectors", for example, is more a reference to them being "Protectors of the Cenarion Circle" rather than naming them "Protectors of Cenarius Himself".

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Old 04-29-2012, 02:19 AM
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What are "Illusiari?"
A so called joke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke) for my personal brand of possibly non-existant man-bitches, as my own toon is named Illusiel.

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Nonetheless, the druids don't really call themselves "Cenarions" the same way the Illidari associated themselves with Illidan. A "Cenarion Defender" is more a reference to them being "Defenders of the Cenarion Circle" rather than naming them "Defenders of Cenarius".
Well, the achievable in-game title for hitting exalted with both factions would be "Defender of Cenarius". I state once more that I believe that Cenarii wouldn't have sounded so odd had it been implemented from the getgo.

I must also have assumed too much when I believed -ari to be a purely elven suffix. It appears to occur within Eredar/Draenei society as well, such as with the Man'ari or the Sha'tari. There's also the Hakkari.

Technically, one could argue that such naming conventions does occur in the name. Cenarion Circle. It could very well be that its meant to be a merger of the circle's two founders, though in which case I'd assumed it to have been named something along the lines of Cenurion.

But that's just my mind wandering.
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Elves are terrific. They beget terror.

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