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Old 05-12-2012, 08:42 AM
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At least Alliance side, there are a bunch of draenei shaman who open a portal to Stormwind in Highbank. I assume it's the same Horde side, but you never know.
Its the same, but with Orcs.
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:44 AM
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^ But Ner'zhul's portals were specifically paths that went through... (clears throat)... THE TWISTING NETHER!!!!

Do all portals work that way, or did Ner'zhul not realize his route?
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:50 AM
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Warcraft has played pretty fast and loose with teleportation magic, why are shamans able to travel through the nether when their hearthstones are on cooldown?

Druids npcs seem to open more portals than mages (seriously how the hell did Malfurion open a portal to the firelands?)
Because lore characters aren't limited by class restrictions. There is nothing stopping Furion from learning how to conjure a portal in case it comes in handy.
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Because lore characters aren't limited by class restrictions. There is nothing stopping Furion from learning how to conjure a portal in case it comes in handy.
Especially considering Druids have more of a connection to arcane magic than shamans.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:02 AM
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Because lore characters aren't limited by class restrictions. There is nothing stopping Furion from learning how to conjure a portal in case it comes in handy.
In WotA he actually did some sorcery work.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:07 AM
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didnt he make a portal to outlands when he banished illidan?
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:15 AM
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didnt he make a portal to outlands when he banished illidan?
No, that was Illidans doing.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:51 AM
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^ But Ner'zhul's portals were specifically paths that went through... (clears throat)... THE TWISTING NETHER!!!!

Do all portals work that way, or did Ner'zhul not realize his route?
I'm pretty sure all portals work that way. Using the twisting nature's subjective nature to cross vast distances in but an instant.

Then again, I'm usually wrong, so...
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Old 05-12-2012, 02:34 PM
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I'm pretty sure all portals work that way. Using the twisting nature's subjective nature to cross vast distances in but an instant.

Then again, I'm usually wrong, so...
callling it now,mogu were ereder when draenor,azeroth,and argus were connected by a portal world,sort of highways for the titans
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:04 PM
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In WotA he actually did some sorcery work.
I thought that part was Illlidan's (you're talking about the DS thing in the end, arent you?) and Furion's was the NATURE HER MAH CALL part
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I thought that part was Illlidan's (you're talking about the DS thing in the end, arent you?) and Furion's was the NATURE HER MAH CALL part
No. It was during the second book, I believe. Malfurion tried and succeded in gaining acces to the Well of Eternity's energies(or part of them) for the Moon Guard. Before he did that, Azshara and co blocked acces to the well for everybody except the highborne. I don't remember how he did that but the book makes it clear it was an arcane ritual.
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In WotA he actually did some sorcery work.
Didn't he also train as a mage with his brother before choosing to pursue druidism?
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:47 PM
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Didn't he also train as a mage with his brother before choosing to pursue druidism?
Not sure if it's explicitally said but it's heavily implied since he knew how to disrupt the shield around the Well, plus it's mentioned he was aware he was almost as talented as Illidan, he had to give it a go to know that.
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:57 PM
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:03 PM
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Why only wield just one side of the coin?
Because it's destructive. I'd rather use pure hard cash anyways(Dollars) :-P
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Going back to Nerzhul for a bit....

To my knowledge/recollecton Nerzhul is actually a bit of a different case than most shamans because unlike the others who apparently lost their powers when the elements abandoned them Nerzhul did not.

I'm trying to remember where I had specifically remember this mentioned (I do believe it was RotH) but unlike the others who basically asked the elements he basically commanded them and compelled them.

I think it was mentioned that his practices were a type of "dark shamanism" as it were but I cannot quite recall.
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Going back to Nerzhul for a bit....

To my knowledge/recollecton Nerzhul is actually a bit of a different case than most shamans because unlike the others who apparently lost their powers when the elements abandoned them Nerzhul did not.

I'm trying to remember where I had specifically remember this mentioned (I do believe it was RotH) but unlike the others who basically asked the elements he basically commanded them and compelled them.

I think it was mentioned that his practices were a type of "dark shamanism" as it were but I cannot quite recall.

I never really heard much of Dark shamanism. When I hear it I think of evil elementals or just not your typical shamanism.
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I never really heard much of Dark shamanism. When I hear it I think of evil elementals or just not your typical shamanism.
It's not the word they used....but it just kinda reminds me of it is all...

That or he forcefully took from the elementals as opposed to asking them.
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Old 05-23-2012, 12:28 PM
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^ "The Elder Shaman Ner'zhul" (established in Beyond the Dark Portal) is the reason I was so confused when Warcraft III started telling us that shaman magic was completely different than warlock magic. Consider that the guy commanded the same necromantic Death Knights and warlock-powered Ogre-Magi as before, and his epic magic spell was to be done with:

1) The book of a powerful Warlock
2) The SKULL of another powerful Warlock
3) The sceptre of a freakin' DAEMON
4) Another random magical artifact (not important to my point)

Someone here suggested to me that by the time of the Draenor Incident, Ner'zhul's title of "shaman" was more ceremonial than anything. I'm inclined to agree with this.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Also, on an equally compelling topic...

The Ogres Za'brox and Beeble'phod have their heads separately named as Za, Brox, Beeble, and Phod. This reinforces the argument that Blizzard meant the Ogres' name divisions to be separated by the apostrophe...

...which reinforces the counter-apostrophe examples I listed, and my point that the separate head names was probably something made up by Cho'gall, a convention that a few other Ogre fans decided to follow.
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^ "The Elder Shaman Ner'zhul" (established in Beyond the Dark Portal) is the reason I was so confused when Warcraft III started telling us that shaman magic was completely different than warlock magic. Consider that the guy commanded the same necromantic Death Knights and warlock-powered Ogre-Magi as before, and his epic magic spell was to be done with:

1) The book of a powerful Warlock
2) The SKULL of another powerful Warlock
3) The sceptre of a freakin' DAEMON
4) Another random magical artifact (not important to my point)

Someone here suggested to me that by the time of the Draenor Incident, Ner'zhul's title of "shaman" was more ceremonial than anything. I'm inclined to agree with this.
Technically, when Gul'dan took control Nerzhul's role became completely ceremonial and the Shadow Council with Gul'dan had total power. After the death of Gul'dan Nerzhul once again rose to prominence as the leader of the Horde. However in time the Skull of Gul'dan would eventually corrupt him and by the end he only cared for power.
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Now that he's officially dead again, I bet the skulls of Cho and Gall could do some crazy stuff.

With the history the Skull of Gul'dan has had, you'd think Warlocks in the Warcraft universe would treat every powerful warlock's head as a relic-weapon.
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Somehow I feel Ner'Zhul isn't quite gone. The theory about Cho'gall IS interesting. It's probably a very powerful Shadow/Old God artifact.
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Somehow I feel Ner'Zhul isn't quite gone. The theory about Cho'gall IS interesting. It's probably a very powerful Shadow/Old God artifact.
could it be big enough for a helm? now that would be an intresting viewpoint to see
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could it be big enough for a helm? now that would be an intresting viewpoint to see

What's another word for Head anyways. Don;t say noggin.
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