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Old 05-25-2012, 03:11 AM
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lamp posts general thread? didnt there used to be a thread for whining about factions?
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lamp posts general thread? didnt there used to be a thread for whining about factions?
Thats it. The mods have changed the name a few times as the whimsy strikes them.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:15 AM
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That's all fine and dandy in theory but I thought the lore claimed that Draenei shamans were extremely rare because of their ostracism from society. So why is it that the only Draenei we see ever are shamans?
Because they're the only draenei who seem to care about Azeroth at large, besides a smattering of the other classes.
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:48 AM
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"Caring about shit" is pretty much the job description of a paladin, I was hoping that now we have dwarf shaman they would be the go to race for Alliance shaman npcs instead of giving the impression dreanei shamans are representative of their culture.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:18 AM
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"Caring about shit" is pretty much the job description of a paladin, I was hoping that now we have dwarf shaman they would be the go to race for Alliance shaman npcs instead of giving the impression dreanei shamans are representative of their culture.
I was quite fond of the female Wildhammer we met at the Zeppelin in Deepholm, who later returned in the Twilight Highlands.

...Not fond enough to remember her name, but still!
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:29 AM
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It just irks me so that every time a faction gets an interesting character we have to play the "What's the other faction equivalent?" game. On top of that, all of Anduins character development is suddenly a bad thing because he goes neutral for a few quests and doesn't want to murder Horde children.
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:03 AM
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Who's the Alliance equivilent here? Do we just team up with Anduin or with that Night Elf as well?
Anduin only. Both of them want to enter the Vale of Eternal Blossom and learn its secret and power, but also extending their hands to the pandarens.
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:42 AM
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It just irks me so that every time a faction gets an interesting character we have to play the "What's the other faction equivalent?" game.
We could just stop playing with the kid, you know.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:38 PM
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It just irks me so that every time a faction gets an interesting character we have to play the "What's the other faction equivalent?" game. On top of that, all of Anduins character development is suddenly a bad thing because he goes neutral for a few quests and doesn't want to murder Horde children.

Nope, we have to have another character for the sake of balance. I'm all for balance but make sure it is actually good for the lore.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:40 PM
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Let's revisit the elves position on Dalaran, and the great mystery as to why the high elves were so eager to flock there. Here's a few excerpts from "In The Shadow of the Sun":

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"Did Modera send you with a statement before you left, Aethas? You do not exactly sound like yourself. Your words drip of her false diplomacy. At least she dares not set foot here herself. She has that much of sense. I suppose I should be grateful for small mercies."

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"You are blind," Rommath replied evenly, assuredly. "They bit off more than they can chew, and now they find themselves facing both Malygos and Arthas. They are afraid, as they should be. They need aid beyond their own capacity—and to whom have they always turned regarding matters of the arcane? Oh, yes, to us. The members of the Kirin Tor will swear up and down that you are indispensable to them, that your skills are invaluable. The moment you become inconvenient, you will be discarded." He cocked his head to the side, one long ear twitching almost imperceptibly as his eyes slid first to Halduron, then to Lor'themar. "Ask them. They know. But not as well as I."

Aethas stared blankly back at Rommath. "Quel'Thalas and the Kirin Tor have been allied for over two thousand years," he said. "Since we joined formally with the Horde, things have been strained, but—"
Rommath laughed again, loudly this time.
"Since we joined the Horde," he repeated. "Of course. That's somewhat awkward, I imagine. And do you, Archmage Sunreaver, remember exactly why we sought to join the Horde?"

Aethas did not answer, but he looked Rommath straight in the eye, unflinching.
"A monumental betrayal," Rommath said, his voice nearly a whisper. His eyes glittered with seething anger that nearly a decade had failed to quell. "In Dalaran," he continued, "beneath the ever-watchful eyes of the Kirin Tor."
"They really had nothing to do with—"
"I assume you mean," Rommath interrupted, "that the Kirin Tor did nothing. Did nothing to prevent it, did nothing to stop it. And instead"—his voice began to rise—"left us to rot in the prisons beneath a city many of us called home as much as ever we did Silvermoon. A city our own crown prince had served as faithfully as his own homeland for longer than a human lifetime. A city we fought and died for, and at the request of the Kirin Tor. A city within whose walls they would have watched, in silence, as we all swung from a hangman's noose. Their city."

"The Kirin Tor find themselves under new leadership," Aethas replied, and Lor'themar felt that his controlled tone spoke well of the young archmage.
"That is a lie, and you know it," Rommath said. "Rhonin may be their figurehead, but Modera and Ansirem remain on the council. These are the same people who happily turned their eyes away when Garithos sentenced us to death. They can all rot in hell, or better yet, in Arthas's army as Scourge," he scoffed.




From this we can deduce that two of the archmagi on the current six had no problem (or at least did not act) to save another member of the six, and an entire race, to be murdered in the basements of Dalaran. If what Rommath says is true, Modera and Ansirem both knew what was happening, and did not act.

The Kirin Tor either agreed with Garithos' assesment, or did not / would not oppose him for unknown reasons.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:12 PM
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Either way, I like the spin and history it gave to the Dalaran situation. Ostensibly, the entire point of the Sunreavers was to "get blood elves admitted into the Kirin Tor," yet behind the scenes that seems to have been a non-issue; even the Alliance-supporting archmage was all for bringing Quel'Thalas back into the fold. According to ItSotS, it may have even been her idea.

It's a lot more political than the surface suggests.

Also, "beneath the ever-watchful Violet Eye" was a marginally more eloquent way for Romm to finish that sentence. No idea why they changed that.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:30 PM
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Did...this thread get hijacked?
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:32 PM
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It wont return to the right track until Jaina model appears
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:45 PM
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It wont return to the right track until Jaina model appears
Hopefully it will be a new model. Her face is just...ugh..horrible. Her old model was infinitely better.
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The Kirin Tor either agreed with Garithos' assesment, or did not / would not oppose him for unknown reasons.
Like I listed before, some of the Kirin Tor's men were working for Garithos at that time.

Sadly when Kael broke from the prison, he still tried to put those archimage, including Antonidas' soul to rest in peace.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:52 PM
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Hopefully it will be a new model. Her face is just...ugh..horrible. Her old model was infinitely better.


I personally love her new model. It is very good looking. The old one was a generic human model.
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Unless he means the Uldum trailer model
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The new model will fit her well after her persona change.
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:01 PM
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Also, "beneath the ever-watchful Violet Eye" was a marginally more eloquent way for Romm to finish that sentence. No idea why they changed that.
Probably because rather than being a general-purpose intelligence group monitoring Dalaran for the Kirin Tor, the Violet Eye was specifically created to spy on the Guardian of Tirisfal.
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The new model will fit her well after her persona change.

I believe the White Hair as an April's fool joke confirmed by MMO-Champion.
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Also, since the Kirin Tor was there, they simply left the portal of Archimonde there?
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:07 PM
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Also, since the Kirin Tor was there, they simply left the portal of Archimonde there?
Maybe the mages left weren't able to close the portal ?
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Maybe the mages left weren't able to close the portal ?


This just hit me. If the portal at Dalaran was the one Archimonde came in. Would that mean he was on Outland/Draenor considering Kael and the Blood Elves used it to hit Outland.
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Maybe the mages left weren't able to close the portal ?
It was closed at first, but could be destroyed by Garithos' forces.
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It was closed at first, but could be destroyed by Garithos' forces.
I'm sure gameplay doesn't count here. Maybe the explosives wouldn't do a damn thing to the portal.

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This just hit me. If the portal at Dalaran was the one Archimonde came in. Would that mean he was on Outland/Draenor considering Kael and the Blood Elves used it to hit Outland.
Isn't Outland in the Twisting Nether now ? If so, it makes sense why Archimonde was there.
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