Bear in mind that Tol Barad was controlled by Stromgarde for a significant period of time so they must have had some unseen ports to project naval power.

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Unless it's changed, there was a path around the side of Stromgarde where you could get into mainland Arathi.

It should also be kept in mind that nobody really took the undead seriously until Arthas killed Terenas, at which point it was too late.

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That is one of the major issues with the fact that the Scourge/Legion devastation of Lordaeron was so minimized in WoW.

For example one has to wonder why did those refugees from Stromguard come with Jaina when their homes were perfectly safe at the time?

And those forces sent by various other nations to help Lordaeron, that are now apparently used to justify their presence in Kalimdor, why again did they follow Jaina rather then their orders which were to fight in Lordaeron?

Why didn't those refugees who really had no home simply not flee south to Stromguard and then further south to IF or SW?

An even better question is why did Daelin abandon Lordaeron when from how it looks now there were many people still standing in Lordaeron and the Forsaken's grasp of Tirisfal was tenuous at best? If he had enough firepower to almost destroy the orc's surely he could have tipped the scales in Lordaeron.

All in all it makes a lot of human countries seem like assholes, which I feel does not fit how they are presented in the rest of the game.

I mean with the state of things as we see them now people decided to run away with the crazy cat lady rather then stay on the continent which was far from lost. And even if they feared that the tide of dead will run over all of EK, then why did they not return en masse when they figured out that SW is ok, and the south of Lordaeron ain't bad at all, fuck the swamp and fuck the orc's.
Maybe they did, which is why Theramore is so much more weak in WoW but... I dunno it is so freaking bad.


This and other reason's ( chief among them being how it retroactively ruined WCIII's story) why Easter Kingdoms should have been a smoking wreckage at start of WoW which got reclaimed in an expansion. Or at BEST all of Lordaeron subcontinent should have been neck deep in UD/demon crap, and the Thandol Span should have been demolished by dwarves, with a legion of them being freaked and tigger happy on the Wetlands side, still remembering the endless tides of UD flying over in giant ominous skyships (those who played TFT know).

At the time, I assumed that she brought everyone north of Khaz Modan that wasn't (un)dead yet to Kalimdor. She is good at teleporting. Beside Kael'thas, Garithos, the other holdouts you kill in the undead campaign, and Admiral Proudmoore (who was out to sea), it was implied that the continent was dead.

The initial RPG books go back and fourth on the issue of other survivors on the continent. The original corebook says no with some yes, but does not know what it is talking about (or at least I don't), then books say no, and then they say yes.

I doubt it. They were not in immidiate danger from the Scourge, and they seem to not exist in Warcraft III's world at all. Yeah yeah, Garithos' shield has a lion... whoop dee doo.

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At the time Jaina's ships were leaving (keep in mind they were still leaving even after Arthas killed Terenas) it must've looked like the entirety of the Eastern Kingdoms was absolutely fucked. It was irresponsible for her to not at least warn Stormwind and take with her anyone who wanted to come.

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Side note: In the Tides of Darkness novel, the Eastern kingdoms could communicate with each other through message birds. Ironforge had received an invitation to the first Alliance meeting; the Dwarves just couldn't attend on account of being besieged and all.

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It was not irresponsible of Jaina at all. Stormwind already knew of the Scourge threat before Lordaeron fell, which is alluded to in Morgan Ladimore's story, wherein we are told that he fought orcs, undead, and saw the disbanding of the Silver Hand (i.e. Stratholme).

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A warning might have been in-character, but the kingdom seemed not to exist for some reason.

The manual mentions Redridge a lot in the bestiary... maybe something was cut.

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Maybe she did warn Stormwind, but Onyxia was able to convince Varian not to do anything? I mean, I'm assuming Tiffin died before WC3 and Onyxia had time to get inside Varian's head...

It could also be that Stormwind was in no position to help anyone what with still rebuilding itself during the events of WCIII.

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Okay, I was reading on that Morgan Ladimore fellow...

If Ladimore returned to Azeroth-nation and it was in this state, then doesn't that mean the Scourge had passed this far pretty early on?

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Morgan's from Duskwood, which used to be part of Elwynn Forest. All the problems in Duskwood, the undead and worgen, are mostly independent of the Scourge. The worgen were brought there by a night elf sentinel with a cursed scythe and the undead are mostly the work of an individual necromancer/lich (Morbent Fel) who may or may not have ever worked with the Scourge.

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Even without the RPG saying so, the Scourge might be there somehow. I think it was mentioned somewhere... not sure though.

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I'm pretty sure most of the dark stuff going on there is related to the Dark Riders and possibly Kharazhan rather than the scourge.

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Plus there have always been various implications that the general "darkening" of the region has ties to the strange goings-on in Karazhan and/or whatever's behind the Dark Riders.

EDIT: Beat me to it.

Might be a lot of things. Ilk attracts ilk?

Needs citation...

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Just another reason why that comic is greatly needed.

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Heh.

The Prophet: "People of Lordaeron: this land is doomed! The undead will devour it! You must cross the Great Sea, to Kalimdor!"

Stormwindian: "And us, too?"

The Prophet: "Meh. Your undead thing isn't the same, really. Just sit tight and do your best."

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It's implied Morgan didn't come to Duskwood until after the events of WCIII I believe. And besides, it's mostly a local problem- Morgan doesn't have the plague so he has to raise all his undead by hand.

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The undead in Duskwood should've been tied to the Scourge in some way if just to give the human narrative SOME sense of connectivity to Warcraft 3.

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"Noble countrymen, evil is upon us. Darkness has befallen our shores. Rise and slay thy enemies… strike, strike so others shall live. The meek shall not fade into the night… live my brethren, live." - King Terenas Menethil II

It could be that Duskwood decidedly NOT being scourge-related was a deliberate choice.

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And it made the human storyline in World of Warcraft feel completely detached from what we saw in the RTS's.

That's one of the reasons I don't like Stormwind as much as Lordaeron. Stormwind feels like a detached non-entity.

Quite frankly, the whole Onyxia mind-control Varian subplot felt less like a natural direction for the human storyline and more like after they released TFT Blizzard went "Oh shit! We forgot about Stormwind! Quick, make up a reason for why they didn't react to the invasion of the Burning Legion and near-end of life on Azeroth!"

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"Noble countrymen, evil is upon us. Darkness has befallen our shores. Rise and slay thy enemies… strike, strike so others shall live. The meek shall not fade into the night… live my brethren, live." - King Terenas Menethil II

Since he had the whole thing centered on getting enough mortals to Kalimdor to stop the Legion, Medivh probably already had some idea that Archimonde would basically stall the Scourge's momentum by uprooting half of its forces and shipping them off to attack the World Tree.

Even Kel'thuzad's observations of the dreadlords "running the Scourge to ground" in TFT basically indicated that after the fall of Dalaran, Balnazzar and Co. brought the Scourge's previously rapid spread to a screeching halt and just sat around waiting for further orders from Archimonde instead of actively continuing its campaign to exterminate humanity and further swell its ranks.