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Old 06-12-2012, 01:44 PM
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Through the comprehensiveness of the Gilneas Compendium, I only recently realized something that has persistently nagged me about Azeroth: How do people entertain themselves? Where are the fine arts? These are the things that make a culture live. As we see visual arts all over the place, there are three other areas that I am particularly interested in exploring in this thread: literature, theatre, and music.

Literature: Where is their literature? There are books all over Azeroth, and I find it hard to believe that these books are just nothing more than copies of the History of Warcraft, books of arcana and spiritual piety, and other works of non-fiction. There is even a no-longer in-game item called Book of Romantic Poems that comes from assembled pieces in Undercity.
Questions: Where and who are the authors of Azeroth? What fictional works of literature have the people of Azeroth composed? What stories do they enjoy reading? Who are the poets?

Theatre: Plays are not a new thing in real life history. Dramatic and comedic plays were common in the theatre. There were even numerous street performers and various shows. Plays even persisted in the medieval period in the form of morality plays, only to explode into a vibrant rebirth of theatre in the Renaissance.
Questions: Where are the theatres? What are the great plays? Where and who are the Shakespeares of Azeroth? Who are the great playwrights of Azeroth? What plays do the various races enjoy?
Recommendation: I would love to see Blizzard implement theaters or amphitheaters in various capitals. People could go there at certain times of the day and see plays. Or better yet, you go to an empty theater - so as to be used for roleplaying - but there would be a single NPC there. When you click on the NPC, they would give you a choice of plays to see. Then you it would put you in a machinima cutscene in which you are in the stands watching a short play that enacted some piece of lore, either a dramatic reenactment of a historical event or some fictive story.

Music: We only get a few glimpses of music referenced through the game. For example, there is the aforementioned Opera House of Karazhan. Drums are fairly common leather-made items. There is the "Carved Harp of Exotic Wood" draenei archaeology junk item. There are three in-game flute items which are used for quests. There are several "music boxes." There is Blizzard's self-insert band, whose lore status for Azerothian music is dubious. There are also a number of horns. We also have a reference to musicians in The Last Guardian:
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As he moved through the tower, the phantoms of the past grew more agitated and more active. Now with a potential audience, it seemed that these pieces of the past wished to play themselves out, if only to be made free of this place. Any sound they once possessed had long-since eroded away, leaving only their images moving through the halls.

The interloper passed an ancient butler in dark livery, the frail old man shuffling slowly down the empty hallway, carrying a silver tray and wearing a set of horse-blinders. The interloper passed through the library, where a green-fleshed young woman stood with her back to him, pouring over an ancient tome. He passed through a banquet hall, at one end a group of musicians playing soundlessly, dancers twirling in a gavotte. At the other end a great city burned, its flames beating ineffectively against the stone walls and rotting tapestries. The trespasser moved through the silent flames, but his face grew drawn and tense as he witnessed once more the mighty city of Stormwind burn around him.
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Never one to ask of her Sentinels what she herself would not do, Shandris quietly departed the Warrior’s Terrace. As she passed the more dour wooden structures, the constant sound of military training sang in her ears. To Shandris, such was more sweet than the music of her people. Not since her parents had been lost in the War of the Ancients had the general truly ever enjoyed music anymore...save for the songs and chants used by the priestesses during battle when calling upon Elune’s power. Those had purpose, after all. (SR, ch.18)
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But the second thing that Malfurion noted was that the city appeared utterly ignorant of all that was not only affecting Teldrassil, but the rest of Azeroth. He saw movement in buildings and even heard music from one direction. (SR, ch.20)
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Night elf musicians played not only music composed by their own race but also favored works from among the peoples represented by the guests. There was only one common thread between the songs: all of them had been chosen to stir the heart, to suggest promise in the future. (WH, ch.10)
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Each time one faction stepped through the entrance, the anthem of its land played. At the sound of the first note, the night elves rose in respect to their guests and remained so as one group followed another.
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A horn sounded . . . and immediately after, the anthem of Gilneas played. (WH, ch.14)
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Varian signaled to someone unseen near the entrance through which the representatives had again marched. A horn blared . . . and the anthem of Gilneas played. (WH, ch.29)
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There were dreadful noises disturbing her relaxation. Azshara had ordered music played for her in the hopes that it would drown out the objectionable noises, but the lyres and flutes had failed miserably. Finally, she rose and, with her new bodyguards surrounding her, gracefully wended her way through the palace. (TWoE, ch.19)
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Tyrande, clad in a glorious gown of yellow, green, and orange, played a silver lyre while their children, a boy and a girl, darted around the tree, giggling and laughing as they ran. Malfurion sat near the window of his proud abode, breathing in the fresh air and savoring the life he had attained. The world was at peace, and his family knew nothing but happiness… (TDS, ch.8)
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Krasus gave a rare smile. “I will begin composing it the moment we are rid of this place.” (TS, ch.8)
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Still and all, [Aegwynn] managed to dredge up the flirtatiousness that she had first used on Jonas as a teenager, and started speaking to Aran. She suddenly became fascinated in his hobbies and his interest in dwarven music. (CoH, ch.14)
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The dinner was a formal one. The return of Prince Kael’thas and the arrival of Prince Arthas on the same day had sent those who served the Kirin Tor into a flurry of activity. There was a large dining room that was reserved for special occasions, and it was here that the dinner was hosted.

A table large enough to seat over two dozen stretched from one end of the room to the other. Overhead, three chandeliers twinkled with brightly burning candles, echoed by the candles burning on the table. Sconces along the walls held torches, and to keep the ambiance gentle while still providing sufficient illumination, several globes hovered around the sides of the room, ready to be summoned where a little extra light might be needed. Servants rarely intruded, save to bring out and clear the courses; bottles of wine poured themselves with the flick of a finger. Flute, harp, and lute provided soothing background music, their graceful notes created by magic rather than human hands or breaths of air.
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Questions: Where is the music? Where and who are the Bachs, Beethovens, Mozarts, and Chopins of Azeroth? What music do the people of Azeroth like? Where are other opera houses and performance halls throughout the world? Did Azeothian opera have an unofficial "high language or Common dialect" for opera like Italian was for European opera?
It'd be hilarious if they revealed that Alterac was once the cultured entertainment capital, but most of the buildings and many artists were killed in whatever destroyed the city before the Syndicate took over.
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It'd be hilarious if they revealed that Alterac was once the cultured entertainment capital, but most of the buildings and many artists were killed in whatever destroyed the city before the Syndicate took over.
I would like to think that whatever the high language was for the Eastern Kingdoms (e.g. Dalarani, Lordaeronai, Thalassian, etc.) that Gilneas was probably moving towards composing in their own language dialect. Gilneas seems like the sort of culture that would have an opera house, though it would likely not have the same respect as the "high cultures" of other kingdoms.
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I was just looking at it yesterday, but Brann's journal from the WoW magazine mentions "Kaldorei plays" about the courtship of Zaetar and Theradras. I think some of the night elf archaeology items also talk about some kind of theater.
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I would like to think that whatever the high language was for the Eastern Kingdoms (e.g. Dalarani, Lordaeronai, Thalassian, etc.) that Gilneas was probably moving towards composing in their own language dialect. Gilneas seems like the sort of culture that would have an opera house, though it would likely not have the same respect as the "high cultures" of other kingdoms.
Of course with all those artworks in the game, it'd be silly to imagine Gilneas didn't have its own style or movement.
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I was just looking at it yesterday, but Brann's journal from the WoW magazine mentions "Kaldorei plays" about the courtship of Zaetar and Theradras. I think some of the night elf archaeology items also talk about some kind of theater.
I seem to recall that as well. We have a better idea of Kaldorei music, but it would be nice to learn about the fine arts in the Seven Kingdoms.

When Cataclysm was much younger, I wrote a family and noble houses for one of my RP characters. I even created the story for an epic poem about the Gilnean patriarch Aderic, which was purposefully reminiscent of Beowulf and the Niebelungenlied. A young human warrior-bard goes on a quest to prove his worth as a tribal chief. Using his cunning, lyre, and might, he slays a black dragon in an enchanted glade under a mystic tree (i.e. Tal'doren) and rescues a sleeping fair elven maiden. The two go on further adventures before returning to the tribe as chief. The two rule wisely for many years. Then Aderic is enspelled by the mate of the black dragon he killed earlier, and he is cursed to slay the dragons he sees. His elven lover comes in search of him. When she finds him, she is unable to break the spell he is under, so she turns into a green dragon, which spurs Aderic to kill his beloved. The spell breaks when he kills her. Aderic kills the black dragon who enspelled her. Then there are different versions of the ending in circulation: 1) his green dragon lover's brother kills him in revenge, 2) he wanders the faerie realm (i.e. Emerald Dream) in search for her, 3) he leaves on a ship and sails west never to return again. Leadership of his tribe then passes to his nephew. A little story based in history, but with enough fiction that errors could be written-off as "poetic license."

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Of course with all those artworks in the game, it'd be silly to imagine Gilneas didn't have its own style or movement.
Probably taking its cues more from German opera than English opera, though I would like to imagine Gilneas developing their own Gilbert & Sullivan.
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There seems to be various plays (presumably adapted from books) in medivhs opera room , so it seems likely that stormwind had theatres.

And as part of a dalaran cooking daily, you have to bring stuff to a mage so he can go to a game of "Battle ball" and he wanted the dalaran destroyers to win, so im presuming theres some kind of either dodgeball or like the disc combat in tron
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Medivh was the only one with any culture... and he really knew how to get down.
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There seems to be various plays (presumably adapted from books) in medivhs opera room , so it seems likely that stormwind had theatres.
I'm just a wee-bit cautious as to assign those operas much lore value since they are all pop culture references (i.e. Wizard of Oz, Romeo & Juliet, Little Red Riding Hood). I'm curious though as to where's the theatre scene? I could see a nice theatre in Stormwind, either in Old Town or replacing the farm by the pond. While I could see a theatre in Greymane Court of Gilneas City.
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Is in-game music indicative of Azerothian music and their instruments?
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Sometimes I wonder if you guys overthink things.

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I'm just a wee-bit cautious as to assign those operas much lore value since they are all pop culture references (i.e. Wizard of Oz, Romeo & Juliet, Little Red Riding Hood). I'm curious though as to where's the theatre scene? I could see a nice theatre in Stormwind, either in Old Town or replacing the farm by the pond. While I could see a theatre in Greymane Court of Gilneas City.
Theres a few weird things about the plays, Romulo and Julianne seem to have been possibly real souls of people inside the Guest Chambers wing. Little red riding hoods Worgen influences don't seem impossible to have been events that occurred in Duskwood. Wizard of Oz's deal certainly has Westfall vibes and the Jungle Troll crone certainly isn't out of place with The Temple of Atal'hakar right on the other side and Zul'gurub practically at Kara's base. What I'm implying is ghosts were performing the tragic trappings of their mortal history.

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Thats all reading WAY to much into things and I'm not crazy enough to actually justify it, but the stories don't seem out of place with what's around the immediate area of Kara itself.
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Theres a few weird things about the plays, Romulo and Julianne seem to have been possibly real souls of people inside the Guest Chambers wing. Little red riding hoods Worgen influences don't seem impossible to have been events that occurred in Duskwood. Wizard of Oz's deal certainly has Westfall vibes and the Jungle Troll crone certainly isn't out of place with The Temple of Atal'hakar right on the other side and Zul'gurub practically at Kara's base. What I'm implying is ghosts were performing the tragic trappings of their mortal history.

Course...

Thats all reading WAY to much into things and I'm not crazy enough to actually justify it, but the stories don't seem out of place with what's around the immediate area of Kara itself.
The worgen, however, could not have come from the time of Medivh.
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The worgen, however, could not have come from the time of Medivh.
If Druids knew about the possibility, then myths could have formed.
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The worgen, however, could not have come from the time of Medivh.
Kara had extensive books on the Worgen.
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A male human joke describes a WoW version of LotR: "So, I have this idea for a great movie. It's about two gnomes who find a bracelet of power, and they have to take it to the Burning Steppes and cast it into the Cauldron. They form the Brotherhood of the Bracelet. Along the way they're trailed by a murloc named Gottom, who's obsessed with the bracelet, and nine bracelet bogeymen. It could be a three-parter, called 'Ruler of the Bracelet'. The first part would be called 'The Brotherhood of the Bracelet', followed by 'A Couple of Towers', with the climactic ending called 'Hey, the King's Back!'"

Also, movies apparently exist in Azeroth.

Of course, this depends on whether or not you consider the joke canon.

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The worgen, however, could not have come from the time of Medivh.
The idea of wolf men, however, could have simply been fiction, or perhaps from dealing with trolls that had a wolf loa high priest that transformed into a wolftroll, or perhaps a general fairytale convention of "a person who wears the skin of an animal transforms into that animal" like IRL.
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Kara had extensive books on the Worgen.
Which is somewhat odd, all things considering.

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Myths? The worgen originated on Kalimdor during the War of the Satyr. They were sealed in the Emerald Dream without any known knowledge of it by humans. The earliest known work on the worgen comes from the archmage Ur. "Torment of the Worgen," which is found in Karazhan, may come from Medivh, but it would not be describing the worgen of Duskwood, but the worgen in the Emerald Dream.

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A male human joke describes a WoW version of LotR: "So, I have this idea for a great movie. It's about two gnomes who find a bracelet of power, and they have to take it to the Burning Steppes and cast it into the Cauldron. They form the Brotherhood of the Bracelet. Along the way they're trailed by a murloc named Gottom, who's obsessed with the bracelet, and nine bracelet bogeymen. It could be a three-parter, called 'Ruler of the Bracelet'. The first part would be called 'The Brotherhood of the Bracelet', followed by 'A Couple of Towers', with the climactic ending called 'Hey, the King's Back!'"

Also, movies apparently exist in Azeroth.

Of course, this depends on whether or not you consider the joke canon.
I'm hesitant to consider them canonical.

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The Wolf in Little Red Riding Hood is not werewolf, just an anthropomorphized wolf. The Big Bad Wolf in the play was probably not a proper worgen, but a similarly anthropomorphized wolf.

Anyway this is not a worgen thread, but a thread on Literary and Performing Arts of Azeroth.
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I always just assumed the music of a zone/city was the music of the race. Isn't too much of a stretch all things considered.
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Which is somewhat odd, all things considering.

Myths? The worgen originated on Kalimdor during the War of the Satyr. They were sealed in the Emerald Dream without any known knowledge of it by humans. The earliest known work on the worgen comes from the archmage Ur. "Torment of the Worgen," which is found in Karazhan, may come from Medivh, but it would not be describing the worgen of Duskwood, but the worgen in the Emerald Dream.

I'm hesitant to consider them canonical.

The Wolf in Little Red Riding Hood is not werewolf, just an anthropomorphized wolf. The Big Bad Wolf in the play was probably not a proper worgen, but a similarly anthropomorphized wolf.

Anyway this is not a worgen thread, but a thread on Literary and Performing Arts of Azeroth.
Not as weird as you would think, Deathknights (and potentially a demon lord) who occupied the tower both knew details of the Scythe of Elune and went off seeking it. Given Duskwoods proximity to an Emerald Dream portal and Medev's knowledge of Druidic magic (it's undeniable dude had crow form) as well as Stormwind's conjurers dwelling in Dream (ok thats a loose one), it might not be as unrealistic as you think. Ur was clearly a human who knew of the Emerald Dream and how to access it, he obviously had done enough research on it to discover the Worgen.
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Not as weird as you would think, Deathknights (and potentially a demon lord) who occupied the tower both knew details of the Scythe of Elune and went off seeking it.
It remains to be seen as to who actually went seeking it. Originally worgen under Alpha Prime went in search of it (CotW Hardcover), and the Alliance comic is dead in the water.

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While Medivh likely had knowledge of druidic magic, I doubt that his crow form should be taken as a sign of druidic magic.

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Ur had no knowledge that he was perceiving the Emerald Dream. He thought he was looking at another world entirely.

Again, this thread is about the Literary and Performing Arts of Azeroth. Is that really difficult to grasp?
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There is Blizzard's self-insert band, whose lore status for Azerothian music is dubious.
There’s nothing dubious about it, the Tauren Chieftains exist in lore.

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Myths? The worgen originated on Kalimdor during the War of the Satyr. They were sealed in the Emerald Dream without any known knowledge of it by humans. The earliest known work on the worgen comes from the archmage Ur. "Torment of the Worgen," which is found in Karazhan, may come from Medivh, but it would not be describing the worgen of Duskwood, but the worgen in the Emerald Dream.
The “Book of Ur” itself specifically mentions that there WERE myths about Worgen.

“The fiend of which I write is the Worgen. Old, rural folklore may hearken to these creatures. For what farmer's child has not heard tales of beastly wolf-men stalking the fields and marshes outside his village? And truth may hide in such tales--perhaps they are warnings against the Worgen, veiled as myths to frighten us. But before such tales are dismissed, let me now assure the reader: Worgen are real.”
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The “Book of Ur” itself specifically mentions that there WERE myths about Worgen.

“The fiend of which I write is the Worgen. Old, rural folklore may hearken to these creatures. For what farmer's child has not heard tales of beastly wolf-men stalking the fields and marshes outside his village? And truth may hide in such tales--perhaps they are warnings against the Worgen, veiled as myths to frighten us. But before such tales are dismissed, let me now assure the reader: Worgen are real.”
No, there are myths about wolf-men, which may or may not be worgen. The bold suggests speculation that these may "harken to these creatures," but not necessarily being the same.

NOTE: FOR THE LOVE OF THE LIGHT! THIS THREAD IS ABOUT LITERARY AND PERFORMING ARTS AND NOT WORGEN. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WORGEN, GTFO AND START A NEW THREAD.
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Ummm...do you think that Lady La-La <Siren of the Deeps> is canon? Because thats a singer
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No, there are myths about wolf-men, which may or may not be worgen. The bold suggests speculation that these may "harken to these creatures," but not necessarily being the same.
The distinction you’re attempting to draw is irrelevant. Worgen are wolf-men. Moreover, its entirely possible the human myths originated from stories about/encounters with Worgen, either disseminated from the High Elves or through human interaction with the Emerald Dream (ie, Lucan Foxblood-like situations, Ur-like curious wizards, the huge portal in Duskwood, etc.)

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NOTE: FOR THE LOVE OF THE LIGHT! THIS THREAD IS ABOUT LITERARY AND PERFORMING ARTS AND NOT WORGEN. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WORGEN, GTFO AND START A NEW THREAD.
Welcome to Scrolls of Lore. If people wanted to discuss your topic, they would.

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Canon.
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The distinction you’re attempting to draw is irrelevant. Worgen are wolf-men. Moreover, its entirely possible the human myths originated from stories about/encounters with Worgen, either disseminated from the High Elves or through human interaction with the Emerald Dream (ie, Lucan Foxblood-like situations, Ur-like curious wizards, the huge portal in Duskwood, etc.)
The distinction I'm drawing is relevant because the worgen are not positively identified as being the wolf-men of myth. Ur speculates that the wolf-men of myth may harken to these worgen. However, there is no actual knowledge of myths of wolf-men outside of further speculation.

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There's a difference. No one has to talk about my topic. I would much rather people not talk about my topic through not posting than derailing it. If people want to discuss something off-topic, then they should start a new topic rather than derail an existing one.
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