Smoking: Yes or No, Unhealthy or Exaggurated, Right or Privelige? - Page 3

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06-15-2012, 08:36 AM

Grig

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So the question is this: why are some products banned and others not? Why can I go light up a smoke if I so choose to but not marijuana? Why am I allowed to drink myself into a mess at a bar but not inject myself with heroin?

Short answer: Because business owners pay a lot of money (or give a lot of perks) to politicians to make sure it stays that way. Alcohol is not illegal because it didn't work out at all last time, and it doesn't have the same demonstrated effect to kill bystanders (except in cases like drunk driving, which is itself illegal). Whereas with drugs like marijuana and heroin (hate putting them in the same category) there is no legal infrastructure for bribery to legalize them, and the government makes A LOT of money in their War on Drugs (even if it's wrecking our economy doing so, who cares, they're getting paid). And the private prisons in vogue will pay to keep things like nonviolent drug offenses illegal, since it ensures they have more patrons.

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Originally Posted by Ferlion

Right, instead it's in almost everything that has artificial sweetener.

So you can't even get up and leave the room!

So let's get this straight. If you don't want to breathe a known airborne carcinogen in an enclosed room, you should be willing to leave on a whim (instead of the other person, you know, not actively trying to kill you).

Whereas you consider yourself completely incapable of not consuming something if it has an artificial sweetener you consider unsafe. Seems legit, and totally like they are issues deserving equal amounts of attention.

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06-15-2012, 09:19 AM

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Supposedly, certain medical companies in the states get paid in tax money in order to host private prisons. They're not the only kind of companies to offer this service to their governments, but it's interesting to take a peek at sales numbers and its rather startling how much of their revenue comes from selling drug-testing equipment...

Tinfoil hat away.

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06-15-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferlion

Restaurants and other establishments should have a smoking and non smoking section

In civilized parts of the world that's usually the case

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06-15-2012, 10:13 AM

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06-15-2012, 10:56 AM

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In civilized parts of the world that's usually the case

Indeed.

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Well, because it's gotta be a pretty damn enclosed room, or else your just picking shit like a jackass. Can anyone tell me why? Anyone at all? Because it's a standard effect that we see day in and day out, over and over all the time during every minute of every day.

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Whereas you consider yourself completely incapable of not consuming something if it has an artificial sweetener you consider unsafe. Seems legit, and totally like they are issues deserving equal amounts of attention.

I don't "consider" it unsafe in the sense of it's just me who does it. The shit IS unsafe. And no, it's not exactly something that's easy to avoid because it's been advertised as a natural sweetener since 2010. Any food anyone serves that's using "low calorie" is almost guaranteed to have the shit.

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06-15-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferlion

Well, because it's gotta be a pretty damn enclosed room, or else your just picking shit like a jackass.

Doesn't have to be very enclosed at all. Funny thing about smoke, it permeates an area rather efficiently. Weren't you the one pointing out earlier that even in a non-smoking area of a split room there is still significant amounts of smoke that don't obey the magic line?

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I don't "consider" it unsafe in the sense of it's just me who does it. The shit IS unsafe.

And yet, to avoid it all you have to do is not consume it. It's bullshit to compare it to the smoking issue in any way. Not to mention that the literature doesn't place it anywhere near the damaging effects of smoking, and isn't conclusive in the first place.

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And no, it's not exactly something that's easy to avoid because it's been advertised as a natural sweetener since 2010. Any food anyone serves that's using "low calorie" is almost guaranteed to have the shit.

So it's "not easy to avoid", but you know that "almost anything 'low calorie' is guaranteed to have it"? Make up your mind on the topic. If everything "low calorie" has it, stop eating "low calorie" food. There does not exist a place on this green earth where "low calorie" food exists in such quantities that it's impossible to find actual, natural food. Exercise common sense -- if a sweetened beverage or food item claims it's only 10 calories, it doesn't contain natural sugar. Honestly, it's not rocket science up in here.

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06-15-2012, 11:16 AM

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Come on, you didn't answer the question. Start that brain up.

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As I stated earlier, either is second hand smoke. No gold standard (as in, they take a group of people in the same job, living in the same types of houses, in the same area, and exposed them to varying exposure levels) has EVER been set, and no study can ever be conclusive or even close to conclusive until there is one. It's a simple rule of thumb, especially in the statistical based tests that they tend to flaunt to say how "second hand smoke kills!"

You must have a standard.

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