I like to think of my warrior as the spearhead. As in the elite of the elite. The guys who you know exist and deal with things all the time that could mean disaster, but never officially get any credit. If anyone's seen the discontinued tv show The Unit, I'm one of those guys. I can't even claim to be what I truly am, because if I did, I couldn't continue to be what I am. Instead of claiming to have a desk job like the tv show, I like to think my warrior is enlisted in the Alliance army to fight the Horde which he does often to support the story. For lack of a better real life example, it's like the task force of Navy Seals who went in and got rid of Osama bin Laden. Sure, a major figure was ousted, one who caused pain and anguish that everyone knew about, but the guys who did it got zero credit. It's just like that in my version, where "an Alliance strike force" or "group of heroes" got the job done, commanded by [Akama, Brann, Tirion, Thrall, etc] or something like that.

I don't count every single event that I do in game as something my character has done (I've done almost every quest in WoW, even discontinued ones), but the majority of the extreme events that I participated in while they were relevant I do count. He turned 19 in the first year of WoW, and he's about 23 now, so he's only been part of the major engagements that have taken place during the game. For the first few raids, since I didn't actively participate in them while they were relevant (except a few), I mostly only give him a minor role as a soldier. Such as being in Silithus with the armies when the gates opened, participating in the preliminary assaults in the Burning Steppes before BWL and MC, and assisting the Argent Dawn in the Plaguelands. It wasn't until going through the Dark Portal and actively participating in the important engagements around Hellfire Citadel and most of Outland that he was brought into the Special Forces where he began his major operations such as dispatching Kael and later Illidan, which led to many more covert missions afterward.

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Clicking Rend and keyboard turning since 2006.
RIP Rend (2004-2012).

Good ol' Mister Henricsson fought in Hyjal and, before, had to watch Arthas' forces kill his fiance and her elderly father. After Hyjal he joined a neutral merc-group and did some stuff in Outland, came back, got turned undead, worked for the Blood Elves when the Alliance didn't want him. Had no non-player-generated Lore in BC but joined the Horde-army for the first time during Lich King in order to get a piece of Arthas. Disapeared when he followed Forsaken-apothecaries smuggling green stuff out of Icecrown, was captured, brainwashed and forced to become Janitor for Undercity to work as undead amusement. After breaking free joined the Rotbrains (he established a cell of freedom fighters in Tirisfal as early as BC, so the Rotbrains were a perfect end for him. I still want my warrior as a rare spawn there ^^ but then again i also want a million dollars) and was killed by newbs of the likes of Dárkshàdòw, Facemeltor and Wurstbrot.

My Tauren Warlock died during the player-organized attack of the Scourge against Silvermoon and, when he was still alive and a good guy, fought at Hyjal and was canonically part of the Horde forces in BC. Died when my realm started to prepare for LK, got corrupted and lead a force of three dozen Alliance-roleplayers with skeletal noggenfogger against aforementioned Silvermoon. Pretty much the only thing i've done RP-wise people remember.

The elven-warrior fought in pretty much everything a blood elf could've fought; he's kinda old and i was allways too lazy to deal with the allways fluctuating elfish lifespan. Hasn't left Quel'Thalas very often and prefers to patrol the city. Didn't to anything of offical stuff in Outland and, because his unit tries to do as little stuff outside Silvermoon as they can get away with, only had a handfull of fights in Northrend.

The Tauren Hero Bronan the Barbarian fought at Hyjal and, at least as far as his story goes, has done every single quest a hero can pursue. Because he's that fucking awesome.

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New to Scrolls of Lore, and also new to RPing. I like questions that help develop my characters, and this one made me realize all my toons are very young - except my orc, who was in the original Horde. She was in the battle of Shattrath, helped rescue the interned orcs, and fought alongside Thrall with the Darkspears against the Sea Witch. She and her husband helped build the city of Orgrimmar, but by then they had become grandparents, so she's pretty much stayed home since that time, training youngsters in engineering.

I have a troll priest who was a witch doctor until he witnessed what happened to Grom Hellscream when he drank the demon's blood in Ashenvale. But other than that, all my toons are very young.

Maybe I need to rethink that.

Nah, it seems that if you strictly follow the texts to the opening quests, a lot of races' characters are meant to start out as young newbs. I know for sure it's that way with the Troll characters.

A young character is a fresh face, and it explains your "Level 1" ness in game terms. The history is all there, still---your character just goes about and sees things for the first time.

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You know I realized now that my two main RP characters are obscenely old recently.

One thing to remember is that up until Thrall enforced gender equality within the Horde, women were not fighters. Your female character would NOT have fought in the first two wars.

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I think Rise of the Horde might have changed that. I specifically remember female messenger riders, and I know that Draka was fighting alongside Durotan during the battle when the Frostwolf shaman first lost their powers.

EDIT: Of course, a messenger is not a warrior, and Draka is special. I'd have to go back to see if there are other examples.

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Draka is a very, very special case. Check out Christie's manga short stories "A Warrior Made".

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Fun challenge: Envision a human character for yourself who began as a Peasant in the First War or earlier. Likewise envision an Orc character who began as a Peon in the First War or earlier. Imagine how both of them would reach modern times, as a toon in WoW in one of the specific classes.

(There's a good chance Mining would be one of his/her skills. )

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Can said peasant have become a militiaman?

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Okay, I have my copy of Rise of the Horde. Anyway, the female courier I remembered was in Chapter Fourteen, even though a courier is not a warrior. Still, she's a wolfrider and acts in the way you'd expect any male to, carrying authority. It'd be strange in a misogynous society.


Earlier in Fourteen, we have the premature aging of the Frostwolf young. I think it's more telling a scene, since it doesn't distinguish male from female:

When we remember that one of Blackhand's three children is his daughter Griselda, we have another example of a female intended to be a warrior. Throughout this entire process, the narration had plenty of opportunities to specify that only the males would be aged to become warriors while the females would serve other tasks. But that never comes up, the implication being that male and female will serve the same functions.


This last line I came across is arguably less clear-cut, but let me throw it out anyway:

It says "babes and old males and females".

It does not "babes, old males, and females" or "babes, old males and females".

Without commas, there are grammatically two items listed in that phrase. The first is "babes". The second is "old males and females".


All in all, if lore specifies that the Old Horde didn't have female warriors, then I don't think it's because of anything Rise of the Horde says.

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http://www.wowpedia.org/Sergra_Darkthorn
http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Crossroads_Conscription

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Now tell me that the Old Horde had a real navy!

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Another (albeit minor) thing to consider is the way the chalice of rebirth was distributed. The only female mentioned there, Griselda, was outright denied the right to drink from the chalice. Not sure if that would mean the same for all females, but still... it's a hint towards something.

Edit: I also forgot to mention to mention the bit in the book Cycle of Hatred that indicates women in orcish society had a different place than the men. I had the page number written down, but I'm not near my notes or the book itself right now. That would pretty much indicate that orcish women had this different place in orcish society until just before year 25 (year 23?) on the timeline... considering Cycle of Hatred was a few years after Hyjal. Thrall himself is surprised by the very idea of a woman of rank in Theramore's military. Then again... it's implied that it's rare for women to have said rank, or for a woman to be a mage in human societies as well...

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While I never roleplayed my characters, most of them had a backstory in the Third War.

I fleshed my Blood Elf paladin's back story out the most, since he was my main. He was a generic foot soldier in training during the Scourge invasion of Quel'thalas. He fled the with his brother and didn't feel the brunt of the attack. His parents died during the attack, though; his father was a magister, and his mother was a devout priest who preached the virtues and salvation of the holy light. He became a Blood Knight in spite of his mother's beliefs, raging at the fact the light she worshiped was unable to save her, so he saw the torture and manipulation of M'uru as vengeance towards the light.

My orc death knight I imagined participated in the orc campaign during the third war, and was a warrior during vanilla-era WoW. He died during the Scourge Invasion, when Naxxaramas first appeared. He was resurrected when Acherus appeared.

My Forsaken rogue was a petty thief for rich nobles in life. He was killed and resurrected soon after Lordaeron fell to the Scourge.

My worgen characters participated in the Second War to varying degrees. My druid was a farmer who brought supply carts to the front lines, while my rogue was a scout who went on to become a spy and infiltrator for Crowley during the rebellions.

I had a human warrior who I always imagined as a Loraderon survivor residing in Stormwind. He was only a young man without much combat experience when he fled, and he was ashamed he couldn't do anything more, so he enlisted with the Stormwind military in hopes that they'd take back Lordaeron someday.

I had a Night Elf mage who I imagined stayed with the Highbourne after being exiled. Sadly I never played him that much, so I didn't flesh him out as much as I wanted.

Does everyone but you die in your groups?

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Ahkay, ahkay. I skimmed through Rise of the Horde, and---regardless of whether it's accurate or not---this thing has female Orcs fighting.

Female shaman, like Mother Kashur, participating in hunts and then battles:

Ner'zhul reflecting that his wife had been neither a shaman nor a chieftain. And we know that women could be shamans:

After the Orcs plan to war against the Draenei, we specifically see females training for battle:

Female warlocks in the Blackrock Clan:

Verification that all Blackrock warlocks were able to participate in battles:

Griselda trained to fight (and remember the earlier quote that all Orc children from 6-12 were aged forward to be immediate warriors, including Griselda)

For fun, here are some female construction laborers (peons?) working side-by-side with the males, chanting war cries:


Golden rarely differentiates between the sexes in that book. But everytime she does, the females are doing the exact same things that the males were.

Perhaps the Old Horde policies reshaped later, after traveling to Azeroth World and suddenly having a zerg swarm population. Maybe the female warlocks were quietly kicked out. Females who had trained as hunters and warriors... suddenly weren't anymore? It's likely, since this daemonic descent seemed to come in gradual phases. Perhaps the females lost prestige soon after the Frostwolves were exiled.

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One thing I'll have to say about this is... Warcraft lore can be so inconsistent that it's ridiculous.

I recall an earlier discussion about female mages and how they were frowned on. Jaina is called a sorceress instead of a mage because she's a woman. She had to work very hard (and maybe used her ties via her father) to get to apprentice under Antonidas, who was reluctant because Jaina was a woman. Aegwynn dealt with this same persecution centuries earlier... yet during the time of the very first Guardian there was absolutely no implication that women were frowned on as mages. In the game you see dozens of female archmages...

Similarly we have this situation. Women in orcish society were, according to Cycle of Hatred and the in-game information, subjugated. They were little more than breeders during the Old Horde days... but then we have Golden writing about powerful females that had some form of position in the forming of the Old Horde. Though I suppose when it comes to Kashur or Draka I can say these are unique circumstances... the Frostwolf clan seems a bit of an oddball clan amongst the Old Horde clans. Historically they did not drown their weak and infirm children, they spoke out against the edicts of the early Horde, refused the pitched battles around the time the portal was made, incited a brawl at the opening of the portal in an attempt to SAVE a Draenei child, etc.

So many changes! Here's another from Rise of the Horde that particularly irked me. Golden says Drek'thar was known for his keen sight. The Warcraft III manual says he was born blind and was granted a special connection with the elements because of it! And there's the Luc Valonforth incident from when she wrote RotLK!



Omacron! Get the writers to pay more attention to the lore!

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I look at it this way: in any society where women are oppressed, there are always a few who won't stay down. There are always a few tomboys around who'd rather fight than clean house. And there are always one or two fathers who teach their daughters to shoot guns, ride horses, drive trucks, or study science.

Also, if a war goes on for any length of time, the men start dying off, and the women start taking over for them. When armies are desperate for bodies, sure, they'll let women in their ranks. I don't see my female orc as being anything special, but she was there. She pulled her own weight and helped out when her clansmen needed her.

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I'm down with your post Anasterian, but I just wanted to point out one thing...

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Originally Posted by Anasterian but then we have Golden writing about powerful females that had some form of position in the forming of the Old Horde. Though I suppose when it comes to Kashur or Draka I can say these are unique circumstances... the Frostwolf clan seems a bit of an oddball clan amongst the Old Horde clans. Historically they did not drown their weak and infirm children, they spoke out against the edicts of the early Horde, refused the pitched battles around the time the portal was made, incited a brawl at the opening of the portal in an attempt to SAVE a Draenei child, etc.

The Frostwolves do distinguish themselves in terms of civility and tolerance, true. But, a reminder: when Gul'dan presented the warlocks to public view for the first time, the very first Blackrock warlock demonstrator was a female.

Gul'dan's presentation. Blackhand's Blackrock Clan. Female warlock.


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NEWER POST, JOINED WITH THE OLDER POST TO AVOID DOUBLE POSTING


So I looked up the wowpedia article on Adventurer.

Heh, heh, heh.

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I wouldn't have a problem with an orc warlock- we know from Greatmother Geyah that pre-Legion orcs had female shamans, and almost all shamans became warlocks. Warlocks generally didn't see combat on the front lines.


Oooh, I wonder if there are or were any female first-gen death knights... especially a female warlock in a male knight's body.

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Update: Playing WoW as a Peon Sue is fantastic.

1) Create an Orc Hunter. Preferably one with no hair, for the extra peon look. Give him/her a very simple, one-syllable name.

2) Don't use the bow often - use your melee weapon most of the time. When you earn enough money, buy an axe instead of your spear. Get the axe that looks like a tree-cutting axe.

3) Never change your clothes. These are your Peon rags.

4) Restrict your weapons to tree-cutting axes, picks, blacksmith hammers, and/or other tools.

5) See that pet pig? Yeah, you're a pig farmer. Your first quest is to slaughter some pigs from the farm. Get to work, Peon! Harvest those cactus berries! Wake up your lazy co-workers! Anytime you have a menial task, envision it as orders for an elite peon.

6) One day, after ordered to harvest lumber near camp, you stumble across some Northwatch Scouts. And slaughter them with your lumberjack axe. Good job! You just might have a chance of rising in this Horde, peon.

7) At least one of your professions should be Mining. Peon.


That is all.

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So I'm starting an RP where I was thrust like a meteor (Tyrael sup) to Azeroth, as the lost son of Aman'Thul. I don't have much memory other than that I am a titan-human hybrid. (Aman'Thul shagged some human girls back in the day). At 55,555,600 years old, I'm still learning about the universe.

Basically, I'm going to explore and see Azeroth for myself, and meet Thrall, Garrosh, Sylvanas. At some point I'm going to fuck it all and Stannis my way to Lordaeron and bring it down, having forged a rebel group. I will use the gnomes to create my own wildfire, then I will present it to Varian Wrynn and have some hot babe like Jaina wed me. More Titman (Titan/Human hybrid) babies to come.

And Establish my rule as emperor of Azeroth, so when daddy comes to visit me he'll see that I am worthy.

Here's a suggestion...


How about you get the fuck out before I throw you out for playing such a terrible character.

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Kinky.

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