Awwwww... I was thinking that would happen in WCIV not WoW (confrontation between Sunfury and Silvermoon blood elves).

Yeah I would really like to know how Kael'Thas became what he is. Him being loyal to Kil'jaeden was a shocker to me.

Yeah because it was told in the most sloppy, retarded way possible.

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I replayed WCIII and TFT recently, and I realized something.

Kael HAS always been an opportunist- he was really only forced to help the naga ONCE, and his exchange with Vashj in Dalaran's dungeon suggests he had a more than "oh well, I HAVE to use your help" relationship.

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Though admittedly, he was an oppurtunist under the gun and faced with a desperate situation and nigh-unthinkable alternatives. He accepted the assistance of the Naga under two dire circumstances: first in the face of an overwhelming flood of Scourge without any other backup, and second while helpess in a cell awaiting his execution and that of all the other Blood Elves with him. Seeking Illidan was initially a means of sparing his people further suffering from their arcane withdrawal. He wasn't really acting out of a desire to seize personal power in the world at that time; even by the time of TFT's final mission, despite it ultimately being at the behest of Kil'jaeden, the idea of aiding Illidan with assaulting Icecrown had its noble and easily justifiable aspects (it's hard to argue against the chance of removing the Scourge from the world once and for all, even without considering the Blood Elves' personal grudge against the Scourge). The fact is, some explanation for his going turncoat and serving the Legion would be nice. Even if it's as passive and boring as his mind and personality being affected by the inbibing of fel energies to sate his hunger for magic, it would at least be something. As it stands right now, there's no stated, in-game justification for his change of allegiance and it just seems completely out of character for him to do something that would ultimately doom Silvermoon and all of Azeroth while committing his people to eternal slavery under the Legionor annihilation once they've served their purpose.

I've been thinking about this, How did Illidan get back to Outland, did he do so with the aid of Kael and Vashj, if not perhaps he tasted some form of power in Illidan's time away and-... nah lets be honest.. ohh yeh we meant to tell you.. Kael was corrupted by the... OLD GODS!... no no.. wait.. i know a better one... FEL ENERGY!

I have alot of respect for the lore department of Wow mainly because i realise its not easy to please everyone.. i have VERY happy with TBC and i have alot of faith in Wrath, so lets just sit and watch this show!

I'm wondering myself what model he'll use. Shouldn't he be some kind of wretched after all that fel energy?

Not necessarily. The Wretched don't have access to much magic in general, hence their proclivity to frantically seek out even the smallest sources and suck them dry. They've "crashed", so to speak, due to a sudden and then prolonged lack of magic, not due to the use of a corrupt or fel source.

Exposure to fel magic doesn't result in the same sort of "withdrawal". Instead it seems to generally cause what would, to the simplistic mind, constitute "improvements" to the user's physical body and mind. It frequently causes increased strength, perception and capacity for wielding ever more power. However, it's also coupled with more twisted attributes, like the growth of horns and other protrusions, as well as such things as glowing eyes and the like.

Rather than the Wretched, demons are the ultimate result of such exposure, and as far as has been shown in WC, they no longer need food or water to survive; any consumption of meat seems to simply feed their general desire to rend and consume everything they can, rather than providing any nutritional value to them. It could be argued that they need a constant supply of magic to survive, but conversely demons seem to frequently be locked away via imprisonment or banishment and emerge ages later none the worse for wear, so it might just be that their hunger derives from the deep-seated drive to forever devour more and more power, and in fact they might need no actual sustainance to remain physically alive.

However, also unlike the state of the Wretched, overuse of fel energy also instills in the user a both physical and magical aversion to the Light. Demons' flesh is burned by the Light's attacks more readily than that of normal creatures, and their spells and curses seem more vulnerable to being unraveled and dispelled by the Light as well.

Well the wretched are the product of underuse of magic or being unable to control their addiction so I see your point. I still don't see how he keeps his blood elf form after all that magic abuse though.

Once one has enough power, it likely becomes possible to assume a chosen form as long as one is consistently maintaining it. After all, Kil'jaeden didn't appear to Ner'zhul as a raging monstrosity of hatred and demonic power.

Or, maybe Kael'thas does look different by now and what is fought in Tempest Keep is either an illusion of his old body or some magical construct ruling in his stead to keep up appearances. Though if he has been altered, he's probably changed into something more demonic in aspect, rather than the shriveled, starving appearance of the Wretched.

I've been hoping to see some satyr BElves for a while.

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I'm sure Kael has changed physically even if just a little. We only get to see his head and hands. I'm sure he's got a few nasty surprised beneath that armor. I'm talking about even little things such as skin discolorations. You never know.

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Where do you think those satyrs in Tempest Keep came from?

Isn't one of the fundamental themes of Warcraft Magic Corrupts?

From what I've gathered, Kael is the poster child of this. He's no different from Azshara.

Except that the process was accelerated by a factor of five thousand, making it an unreasonably sudden character development.

In other news today, where the hell have you been?

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I can see where you're coming from. And I don't necessarily disagree. But, that is almost assuredly the reasoning.

Haha! I took about a six month break from all things Warcraft. The announcement of WotLK and the Tides of Darkness novel brought me back. I actually tried to get on the site a week or so ago, but it must have been down and I thought it had been shut down! Luckily, I decided to check again, just to make sure, and found it was still here. Good to see I'm remembered, though! I missed this place.

Welcome back!

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Thanks! Great to be back!

Yeah, this forum is still small enough that we (or at least I) remember pretty much anybody who's made an impression, which you certainly did. Good to have you back.

EDIT: Sum Durid is bare durid. But I is arhc durid. arhc durid is can moonfare spam.

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Well you've dinged 1000 posts. xD
Quite an occassion.

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Illidan had a bunch of satyr under his command in WCIII, I think even in ROC, so before he met the blood elves. So... I kind of assumed they came to outland with him. From what I was lead to believe, the Illidari is composed of BElves, Naga, Satyr, Fel Orcs and renegade demons.

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Thanks. Took me long enough, but whatever.

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