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![]() Eternal Join Date: Jan 2007
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For those of you who haven't, I've been following the Warcraft trading card game since it came out and I've deemed it, as most other Warcraft media tends to be these days, a mixed bag. On the one hand, the card game is good and fun, as far as card games go, the loot cards are usually nice touches, it introduces characters with cool design, and even for those of you/us who don't buy it, it's a venue for a lot of cool art (some of you may have noticed I've incorporated a number of TCG characters into my fanfiction). On the other hand, it's become somewhat self-indulgent to some artists, it's given official legitimacy to in-jokes and game mechanics (Leeroy Jenkins, Dudefella, Battle Preparations, etc), and the loot cards can come off as obvious cash grabs.
Servants of the Betrayer is the most mixiest bag of them all. When it first came out, we learned that it would offer players the chance to play "traitors," these are hero character who are not aligned with the usual racial factions. On top of that, these traitor characters have the ability to ally with some of the more notable villains of Warcraft. Now while this is, in all practical application, preposterous (you could have a party led by a leper gnome who's allied with the Aldor, with an Aldor marksman, Tyrande Whisperwind, Katrana Prestor, Kael, and Lady Vashj) I still thought it was fun to propose that these heroes and villains, y'know, still go out and do stuff every once in a while, and I'm willing to gloss over the wacky group makeup as a necessary game mechanic (which you kind of have to do for the computer game, as well). Not to mention that we get cool new art for these iconic characters (I particularly liked Katrana's, it gives her much more personality than her in-game avatar). However it seems that every hero character has two versions. A "good," or perhaps more specifically, standard-aligned character, and a "dark mirror" version of that character. For example, there are two versions of a blood elf mage named Vor'na: Vor'na the Disciplined, and Vor'na the Wretched. While most of the game can be rationalized into sort of "real" representations and symbols for something else, I can't really excuse this one. Ostensibly one could claim that these are "before" and "after" cards. However some of these are characters who don't transition quite so easily. Remba, a dwarf priest, for example, has a normal version, and a Dark Iron version. I feel like this was a wasted opportunity. What could have been a unique opportunity to allow us to play as and with characters from one of the other races of Azeroth and beyond (gnoll, naga, centaur, furbolg, Broken, etc. characters) not only does this simply take the traditional races and change their allegiance, but it does it in a way that, in my opinion, doesn't really work from a story perspective, when the rest of the game feasibly does. I don't even see why the "good" versions of the characters were necessary. The game's got four sets out already, you could always play as one of the heroes from those sets if you wanted something more traditional. Anyway, I'm interested in seeing what everyone else has to say about the TCG because I realize that mine isn't a perspective that everyone may share. I'm sure some may write it off completely, while others might legitimize everything it does. And also I felt like venting. |
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![]() Elune Join Date: Oct 2007
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Best thing about the cards is the art, its simply amazing. Any chance you could be kind enough to scan some of those cards like lady prestor and such? =)
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![]() Elune Join Date: Dec 2007
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I agree, the best part of the card game is the art. Fantastic. It brings characters to life. I particularly like the take on Panthaleon the Calculator and Warlod Kalithresh.
I think the good/evil versions of the characters are an interesting experiment. While, as you say, some transformations could be as simple and seem to be as simple as before-and-after ("The Redeemed" would seem to necessitate he was "The Corrupted" at one point) others are more problematic. For example, either the Troll is a Darkspear or a Bloodscalp, The Tauren is a Grimtotem or not, etc.) From a story perspective, this would seem to indicate that if one exists the other cannot, or that they are entirely different people. Some do have different names, for example I'd believe their could be two Tauren hunters of different tribes each with the same first name. However, I'm unaware of any of the trading card characters crossing over into other more story-oriented mediums like the MMO, novels, comic, etc. While I think that would be pretty cool and make owning their original card a little more special, if Blizzard doesn't do it they will never have to address the issue. And if they do it, then it might clarify the history of the characters better. I think some of the characters like Gorebelly, Warrax, and Osmodeus the Punisher deserve some more representation. Last edited by Gurtogg_Bloodboil : 03-28-2008 at 05:20 PM. |
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At least we get the artwork out of it; though not always top notch.
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![]() Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005
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I disagree. Thanks to them and some other people out there, the image of Sylvanas as a evil looking night elf female is furthered.
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One bad image makes all the others suck?
Granted, Jaina's is pretty bad too... And my god, you even have the ability to play card games, Nephalim!? The wonders of technology.
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I particularly liked Kazzak´s fire of outland art set.
It made him feel more than a friggin raid and more like a character doing his best to rally the remains of the leguion under one banner. Anyone has link to the art ?
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![]() Elune Join Date: Apr 2006
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The Sylvanas and Jaina arts were just too bad to bear, but otherwise I have no quarrel with the card game.
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The art of the Sylvanas card itself wasn't bad, but it seemed to be more a depiction of her WoW incarnation which many here are upset about. While different from the sketches of her all stitched up and what not, it's not that radical of a departure from her WC3 in-game model. The Jaina art... just made her look very plain-jane. We're used to Jaina being a hot babe that all the WC males are after. Two rare exceptions. Fully agreed. The world could use a few more well defined and characterized heroes, and the card game provides a litany of potentials. Last edited by Gurtogg_Bloodboil : 03-29-2008 at 03:10 PM. |
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It looks nothing like her WC3 incarnation..... ![]() vs ![]() |
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GAH! Kill it with fire!
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So... shes a nightelf?
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It's a different skin tone.
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Not only does it once again show the nowadays common "WoW is 100% perfect mirror of Azeroth" problem, she looks ****ing retarded. That face makes it look like she's having gas.
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![]() Elune Join Date: Jul 2007
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Getting the art is damn easy. There's teh official website, where they erveal full card editions.
And there's also the tcg databases. They have all the existing cards. Edit: There is a good amount of cards in our Scrolls of Lore gallery.
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Getting pictures of the cards is easy enough, however even the extended art cards are cropped for format, and full pieces of the art are out there, if hard to find. The database I linked lists the artist for each card and, if they have a website, links to it, but sometimes they don't have a portfolio at all or if they do, the art isn't on it.
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![]() Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005
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That card makes it hard to believe that Sylvanas is undead.
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![]() Elune Join Date: Jul 2007
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She's undead!?
She looks like, really, a dirty night elf.
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Well.... roar. *Unzips*
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The best revenge is to be unlike him who performed the injury. -Marcus Aurelius, the true Emperor of Rome |
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So how does Jaina look?
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No child! Resist that most unholy temptation!
"What? know ye not that he which is joined to a harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh." Touch not the unholy flesh of the pagan harlot. For in her lies damnation! |
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![]() Elune Join Date: Apr 2006
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![]() Elune Join Date: Jul 2007
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I don't post direct image cuz I don't want to make people cry...
http://www.wowtcgdb.com/images/large...proudmoore.jpg PS: Love troll names: Taz'dingo, Nin'jah...
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![]() Metzen: They are one of the ancient races of Northrend that we haven't spoken of before... because we hadn't made them up before. (laughter) ~Main: Expansion theorycrafting, Expansions list, The Age of Nightmare, Empire of the Tides (coming soon)~ ~Fan ficton: Anachronos Journey: The Timeless Heir~ ~Geography of continents series: Old Kalimdor (original), Pandaria~ ~Locations as zones series: Azjol-Nerub, Barrow Deeps, Zul'Aman, Demon Hunter zone, Caverns of Time~ |
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