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Old 03-28-2008, 03:22 PM
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For those of you who haven't, I've been following the Warcraft trading card game since it came out and I've deemed it, as most other Warcraft media tends to be these days, a mixed bag. On the one hand, the card game is good and fun, as far as card games go, the loot cards are usually nice touches, it introduces characters with cool design, and even for those of you/us who don't buy it, it's a venue for a lot of cool art (some of you may have noticed I've incorporated a number of TCG characters into my fanfiction). On the other hand, it's become somewhat self-indulgent to some artists, it's given official legitimacy to in-jokes and game mechanics (Leeroy Jenkins, Dudefella, Battle Preparations, etc), and the loot cards can come off as obvious cash grabs.

Servants of the Betrayer is the most mixiest bag of them all. When it first came out, we learned that it would offer players the chance to play "traitors," these are hero character who are not aligned with the usual racial factions. On top of that, these traitor characters have the ability to ally with some of the more notable villains of Warcraft. Now while this is, in all practical application, preposterous (you could have a party led by a leper gnome who's allied with the Aldor, with an Aldor marksman, Tyrande Whisperwind, Katrana Prestor, Kael, and Lady Vashj) I still thought it was fun to propose that these heroes and villains, y'know, still go out and do stuff every once in a while, and I'm willing to gloss over the wacky group makeup as a necessary game mechanic (which you kind of have to do for the computer game, as well). Not to mention that we get cool new art for these iconic characters (I particularly liked Katrana's, it gives her much more personality than her in-game avatar).

However it seems that every hero character has two versions. A "good," or perhaps more specifically, standard-aligned character, and a "dark mirror" version of that character. For example, there are two versions of a blood elf mage named Vor'na: Vor'na the Disciplined, and Vor'na the Wretched.

While most of the game can be rationalized into sort of "real" representations and symbols for something else, I can't really excuse this one. Ostensibly one could claim that these are "before" and "after" cards. However some of these are characters who don't transition quite so easily. Remba, a dwarf priest, for example, has a normal version, and a Dark Iron version.

I feel like this was a wasted opportunity. What could have been a unique opportunity to allow us to play as and with characters from one of the other races of Azeroth and beyond (gnoll, naga, centaur, furbolg, Broken, etc. characters) not only does this simply take the traditional races and change their allegiance, but it does it in a way that, in my opinion, doesn't really work from a story perspective, when the rest of the game feasibly does. I don't even see why the "good" versions of the characters were necessary. The game's got four sets out already, you could always play as one of the heroes from those sets if you wanted something more traditional.

Anyway, I'm interested in seeing what everyone else has to say about the TCG because I realize that mine isn't a perspective that everyone may share. I'm sure some may write it off completely, while others might legitimize everything it does. And also I felt like venting.
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Old 03-28-2008, 03:26 PM
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Best thing about the cards is the art, its simply amazing. Any chance you could be kind enough to scan some of those cards like lady prestor and such? =)
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Old 03-28-2008, 03:33 PM
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Oh yeah, I forgot to add the link. These are all the revealed cards from Servants of the Betrayer. That site is a database for all the cards in the series so you can navigate your way around from there.

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Old 03-28-2008, 05:18 PM
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I agree, the best part of the card game is the art. Fantastic. It brings characters to life. I particularly like the take on Panthaleon the Calculator and Warlod Kalithresh.

I think the good/evil versions of the characters are an interesting experiment. While, as you say, some transformations could be as simple and seem to be as simple as before-and-after ("The Redeemed" would seem to necessitate he was "The Corrupted" at one point) others are more problematic. For example, either the Troll is a Darkspear or a Bloodscalp, The Tauren is a Grimtotem or not, etc.) From a story perspective, this would seem to indicate that if one exists the other cannot, or that they are entirely different people. Some do have different names, for example I'd believe their could be two Tauren hunters of different tribes each with the same first name.

However, I'm unaware of any of the trading card characters crossing over into other more story-oriented mediums like the MMO, novels, comic, etc. While I think that would be pretty cool and make owning their original card a little more special, if Blizzard doesn't do it they will never have to address the issue. And if they do it, then it might clarify the history of the characters better. I think some of the characters like Gorebelly, Warrax, and Osmodeus the Punisher deserve some more representation.

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Old 03-28-2008, 05:19 PM
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At least we get the artwork out of it; though not always top notch.
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Old 03-28-2008, 06:03 PM
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I disagree. Thanks to them and some other people out there, the image of Sylvanas as a evil looking night elf female is furthered.
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Old 03-28-2008, 08:09 PM
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One bad image makes all the others suck?

Granted, Jaina's is pretty bad too...

And my god, you even have the ability to play card games, Nephalim!?

The wonders of technology.
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Old 03-28-2008, 08:21 PM
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I particularly liked Kazzak´s fire of outland art set.

It made him feel more than a friggin raid and more like a character doing his best to rally the remains of the leguion under one banner.

Anyone has link to the art ?
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:48 PM
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And my god, you even have the ability to play card games, Nephalim!?

The wonders of technology.
The engine for World of Warcraft is essentially an advanced card game system.
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I agree, the best part of the card game is the art. Fantastic. It brings characters to life. I particularly like the take on Panthaleon the Calculator and Warlod Kalithresh.
This set was particularly better about it but it's been fairly hit or miss with other sets. There's been a bunch of iconic characters which I thought should have been done different.
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Some do have different names, for example I'd believe their could be two Tauren hunters of different tribes each with the same first name.
It's funny, because the Morn example was the one specifically cited by the developer in an interview about the set, and he referred to Morn Salts-the-Land as a different version of the same character. Which is nice from a theoretical perspective, but it sort of transforms this into a "Choose-Your-Own-Adventure" story which has little practical application.
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However, I'm unaware of any of the trading card characters crossing over into other more story-oriented mediums like the MMO, novels, comic, etc.
Yes, but this generally seems to be true of everything. Everything pulls only from the game, but there's little connectivity between the branching media, and the MMO tends to rarely draw from them. It would be nice to see cards of, for example, characters from the comics, or vice versa, or vignettes involving card characters appearing in the RPG.

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Old 03-29-2008, 03:16 AM
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Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon

The Sylvanas and Jaina arts were just too bad to bear, but otherwise I have no quarrel with the card game.
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Old 03-29-2008, 03:07 PM
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The Sylvanas and Jaina arts were just too bad to bear, but otherwise I have no quarrel with the card game.

The art of the Sylvanas card itself wasn't bad, but it seemed to be more a depiction of her WoW incarnation which many here are upset about. While different from the sketches of her all stitched up and what not, it's not that radical of a departure from her WC3 in-game model.

The Jaina art... just made her look very plain-jane. We're used to Jaina being a hot babe that all the WC males are after.

Two rare exceptions.

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It would be nice to see cards of, for example, characters from the comics, or vice versa, or vignettes involving card characters appearing in the RPG.
Fully agreed. The world could use a few more well defined and characterized heroes, and the card game provides a litany of potentials.

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Old 03-29-2008, 05:19 PM
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The art of the Sylvanas card itself wasn't bad, but it seemed to be more a depiction of her WoW incarnation which many here are upset about. While different from the sketches of her all stitched up and what not, it's not that radical of a departure from her WC3 in-game model.

The Jaina art... just made her look very plain-jane. We're used to Jaina being a hot babe that all the WC males are after.

Two rare exceptions.



Fully agreed. The world could use a few more well defined and characterized heroes, and the card game provides a litany of potentials.

It looks nothing like her WC3 incarnation.....





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It looks nothing like her WC3 incarnation.....





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Old 03-29-2008, 08:24 PM
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So... shes a nightelf?
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:37 AM
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It's a different skin tone.
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Old 03-30-2008, 01:04 AM
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Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon

Not only does it once again show the nowadays common "WoW is 100% perfect mirror of Azeroth" problem, she looks ****ing retarded. That face makes it look like she's having gas.
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Old 03-30-2008, 04:22 AM
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Getting the art is damn easy. There's teh official website, where they erveal full card editions.

And there's also the tcg databases. They have all the existing cards.

Edit: There is a good amount of cards in our Scrolls of Lore gallery.
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Getting the art is damn easy.
Getting pictures of the cards is easy enough, however even the extended art cards are cropped for format, and full pieces of the art are out there, if hard to find. The database I linked lists the artist for each card and, if they have a website, links to it, but sometimes they don't have a portfolio at all or if they do, the art isn't on it.
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That card makes it hard to believe that Sylvanas is undead.
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She's undead!?

She looks like, really, a dirty night elf.
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Well.... roar. *Unzips*
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So how does Jaina look?
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Well.... roar. *Unzips*
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So how does Jaina look?
Bad. Very bad.
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I don't post direct image cuz I don't want to make people cry...

http://www.wowtcgdb.com/images/large...proudmoore.jpg

PS: Love troll names: Taz'dingo, Nin'jah...
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