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Old 07-28-2015, 07:55 AM
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Do we know much else about the ogron other than they're the evolutionary link between ogres>ogre lords>ogron>gronn? Why are they slaves of the Gorians when the ogres are weaker and more puny than the ogron?
Because ogres use military tactics, magic, more advanced technology and greater numbers?
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:11 AM
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Vareg's spot on the council stood vacant, to be filled when Mar’gok deigned to. He would choose a replacement who presented no risk at all. The two hulking, neckless ogron—evolutionary steps between ogres and mud—who stood guard outside his halls were too dumb to disobey. It was refreshing.

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Old 07-28-2015, 10:33 AM
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That's right actually - he had two beards, sideburns and everything. Good catch thank you!
I'm shocked how you forgot about that!

Anyway, besides Cho'gall, in the past all ogres had at least one head with hair in artwork. Even the first Two-headed Ogre model in WoW had hair on one of their heads.
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Well that's a nice looking aberration of nature.
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Looks like a something born of consent for sure.
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Looks like a something born of consent for sure.
Some guys like their ladies thick.
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If we ever set foot on Draenor again and meet any of its Watchers, two of them should be based on Fujin and Raijin, despite the ogres we've met being Roman and not Japanese.

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Old 03-11-2017, 07:08 PM
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So how do we feel about Chronicle 2 changing Gruul a bit so he took over the ogres after Highmaul's fall, as opposed to always ruling some like RotH had it? Expected? Disappointment? Approval?

As for me I do like what WoD turned the ogres into quite a lot, but I feel like it kind of downplays how big and badass Gruul was, that he had to pick up the empire's pieces.
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So how do we feel about Chronicle 2 changing Gruul a bit so he took over the ogres after Highmaul's fall, as opposed to always ruling some like RotH had it? Expected? Disappointment? Approval?

As for me I do like what WoD turned the ogres into quite a lot, but I feel like it kind of downplays how big and badass Gruul was, that he had to pick up the empire's pieces.
Eh, expected, though I suppose some folks can figure they always had some ogre servants just probably not full clans worth.
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So how do we feel about Chronicle 2 changing Gruul a bit so he took over the ogres after Highmaul's fall, as opposed to always ruling some like RotH had it? Expected? Disappointment? Approval?

As for me I do like what WoD turned the ogres into quite a lot, but I feel like it kind of downplays how big and badass Gruul was, that he had to pick up the empire's pieces.
Alpha-Gruul still had a kinder fate than alternate-Gruul who was enslaved and crippled by the Iron Horde.
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The AU gronn treatment was kinda confusing overall, since they couldn't seem to decide whether the Iron Horde had successfully enslaved the gronn or not. According to Gruul's Dungeon Journal entry, having him and most of his sons in chains brought the rest of the gronn to heel, but then half of Gorgrond's plot is about the Blackrocks struggling mightily and mostly failing hard to enslave the gronn, leading to their seeking out of the artifact to control a magnaron.

Hell, the Thunderlords seemed to be having better luck consistently capturing and enslaving large numbers of gronn in Frostfire Ridge than the Blackrocks were managing in Gorgrond. In retrospect enslaving Gruul and his sons on AU Draenor didn't really seem to accomplish very much, as with the magnaron still around they didn't appear to have any real control over the other gronn anyway.
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I'm hoping that, after reading Chronicle myself, Gorgrond will be more enjoyable on alts.
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I'm hoping that, after reading Chronicle myself, Gorgrond will be more enjoyable on alts.
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Gorgrond is my favourite WoD zone.
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Gorgrond is my favourite WoD zone.
You spelled Shadowmoon wrong.

But WoD did have good questing. It's problems mostly came after that.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:16 AM
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You spelled Shadowmoon wrong.

But WoD did have good questing. It's problems mostly came after that.
Too much night for a WoD zone. Just right for a night elf zone.

You're right about the questing, though. The best questing experience pre-Legion, imo. Too bad that the max level content sucked.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:24 AM
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You spelled Shadowmoon wrong.

But WoD did have good questing. It's problems mostly came after that.
Agreed on the questing. WoD's issues were far greater and can't be summed up with just "Story was shit." but we've beaten that dead horse in other threads so I won't do it again.

Overall I think Talador just edges it as my favourite zone, largely because of how amazing the Draenei buildings and art assets are.

If we're talking questing I think Frostfire (So Horde only) is solid, though the lack of Bladespire as a proper city at the end of that quest chain does hurt the overall experience.
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What's the deal with the ettin? Are they native to Azeroth or did they migrate over from Draenor with the Old Horde?
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What's the deal with the ettin? Are they native to Azeroth or did they migrate over from Draenor with the Old Horde?
They're native to Azeroth. Probably a result of the Curse of Flesh from Giants.
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They're native to Azeroth. Probably a result of the Curse of Flesh from Giants.
Maybe, though the weird unevenness of their proportions makes me wonder if they might have already been a failed early attempt at making giants (like troggs are to the earthen) that was subsequently cursed.

We've encountered giants that were just flesh-cursed, and they still retained the scaled proportions of their precursors. The way ettins limp around on too-short legs, swinging distended arms of uneven length and bulk while slouching forward crookedly makes them look to me like they were "made wrong" to begin with.
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They're native to Azeroth. Probably a result of the Curse of Flesh from Giants.
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According to Brann Bronzebeard, there is enough fossil evidence to theorize that the ettins evolved from ogres, but he suspects there might be a "missing link". Any fossil evidence was likely lost when Draenor was torn apart.[3]
Drugon the Frostblood's dungeon journal entry goes against this, as it states that Drugon has been living in Highmountain for several ages before the Dark Portal even opened.[4] It is unknown if this is a simple error or a retcon of the ettins' origins
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:21 PM
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I'd say their complete lack of mention in Chronicle 2 would support the idea that they're from Azeroth, but like Wowpedia says on Mutterscrawl's link goren aren't anywhere in the book either.

That said the statement that they were related to ogres was only ever in-universe from Brann so has room for plausible deniability. Having so many on the Broken Isles plus Drugon's journal entry make me think they've "retconned" (as much as you can retcon in-universe speculation) the ettin-ogre connection.
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I hope so, they make more sense as gianttrogs
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