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Old 05-26-2009, 09:43 PM
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Believe me when I say, nicotine is as bad as heroin and methamphetamine. It's been linked with increasing cancer risks across the board, screws your blood pressure to hell, and has numerous other side effects that don't even need to be discussed. That and there's no safe way to consume it. Any application of nicotine is terrible for you, whether through your skin (via patches), gum, smoking (which actually burns off quite a bit of the nicotine), or worst of all chewing.
Nicotine, however, won't have you breaking into people's houses to feed your $300/day habit like meth, nor will it give you a lethal overdose like dope.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:49 PM
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You can OD on nicotine, but it pretty much just entails your blood pressure going so high you have an aneurysm. You're right though, because it's legal, no one's breaking into houses for a pack of camel filters or menthols.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:57 AM
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Nicotine, however, won't have you breaking into people's houses to feed your $300/day habit like meth, nor will it give you a lethal overdose like dope.
Have you ever seen "Thank you for Smoking"? They have a nice series of scenes where a politically fueled terrorism group attempts an assasination by nicotine overdose... basically they cover the dude in about 10+ nicotine patches.. It's a very legitimate situation but any normal intake will not overdose you- or even come close.. Much like Marijuana.. The amount of THC it takes to overdose is virtually impossible to consume by known means before you'd, like, pass-out, become inable to inhale smoke by swollen lungs/throat, etc..


Since I'm new I won't push anyone's buttons... But I'm definitely of the mind that marijuana belongs, in no way shape or form, to be more criminalized than alcohol. Alcohol is proven- BY FAR- to be more harmful both in the short term and long term than marijuana is. I can personally attest to this on a day-to-day basis. I am a very avid pot smoker and have been for about.. 8 or 9 years now. Pot smoking has had, at some points in my life, some slight side-effects in the short term like sleepiness and a clouded mind the next day.. But alcohol can be directly correlated to most of the worst days I have ever experienced. It kills braincells (IN DROVES), ruins sleeping habits by both exhausting you and awakening you once its initial effects wear off (long-term users will experience this more than short-term or infrequent users), and is the general cause of most adolescant and young adult mis-behavior.

I would challenge anyone who disagrees with my last statement to do the following... Try smoking a joint and seeing just how pissed off, angry, or confrontational you can become.. It's generally not even an after-thought in your mind. However, alcohol, being an immense inhibition decreaser as well as an emotional instability causer will make it much easier to become enraged and even dangerous. I'm not saying this is a problem for very many people or even anyone who would read this, just pointing out yet another difference in favor or Pot.

Marijuana would be an immense asset to the US government's deficit problem. The industry would bring in billions, but the pharmecutical companies and cotton companies would suffer big- and American politics are fuct. End rant...
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:09 AM
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  • do You often bump in to drugs among friends? If so what kind of drugs?
  • is it immoral to do drugs?
  • should some illegal drugs be decriminalized?
  • what do You think about Your school's/society's view on drugs?
  • which drugs do You find interesting, and uniteresting?
I probably shouldnt be answerign this thread from work...

do You often bump in to drugs among friends? If so what kind of drugs?
I have several friends who sell pot, 95% of my friends smoke it, my own mother smokes it (or claims to at least.) Ive seen worse things in use such as cocaine and heroin though but never had an urge for them.

is it immoral to do drugs?
Immoral? no. Smart? no, depending on the drug.

should some illegal drugs be decriminalized?
Pot. Theres no reason not to anymore. Its pretty much a gold mine the government is ignoring, especially with out economy now. I cant say for certain, but I think it might even lower crime.

what do You think about Your school's/society's view on drugs?
If theres one thing I cant stand it stereotypical stoners. Most of the ones Ive seen act that way are pretty much complete phonies. I also dislike the immediate association that smoking pot = uneducated.

which drugs do You find interesting, and uniteresting?
Salvia. Best 10 minutes of your life, or possibly worst 10 minutes. And its completely legal, for now. Having seen someone snort lines of coke off their deceased grandmothers picture Ive found that drug repulsive. I forget which comedian said it (I wanna say bill cosby) but the best way to never do drugs is watch someone else do them first.
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:50 AM
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I would like to point out that legalizing pot would make (at least) 50% of the population in most 1st world countries a pot head... lowering quality of the working population and damaging the economy >_>

If they legalize it they will have to controle the ammount bought and used by a person, and have mandatory urine or blood tests at work and schools.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:04 AM
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I would like to point out that legalizing pot would make (at least) 50% of the population in most 1st world countries a pot head... lowering quality of the working population and damaging the economy >_>

If they legalize it they will have to controle the ammount bought and used by a person, and have mandatory urine or blood tests at work and schools.
Are you serious? What proof do you have of such allegations. I get up and come to work everyday.

Find me one American between the ages of 15-30 who doesn't smoke pot because it's illegal. That is absolutely no deturrent for us except when we've already been caught- which most of us aren't because it's no fuc<in deal- it's all politics- not for health reasons.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:09 AM
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I think that 50% is exaggerated, but only because it doesn't have bad effect on you ZuBad (according to you) doesn't mean that it doesn't has negative effects on other people.

I agree with Snapple and think that it would have more negative than positive effects to legalize it.

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Old 05-29-2009, 09:25 AM
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Here's what I'm saying, though: It being 'illegal' right now has no effect on the general populace of people who want to smoke it other than annoyance. It has never made me question my desire to partake in it.

Also- I've never said marijuana has no side-effects.. Everything in life does. For Christ's sake- you can die of drinking too much WATER. Everything in moderation is generally a good rule of thumb for health concerns. What I was trying to point out before, however, was that it's general side-effects are rather mild in comparisson with alcohol (which is, of course, legal- and it should be also)

Also... Stop helping the government ruin my dreams!!! WAHHHHHH!!!
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:37 AM
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I think you've made some very good points, ZuBad. Like I've said about my project; alcohol was clearly more detrimental for one's health than marijuana. Marijuana can be compared to the discovery of sugar;

I've read that if sugar were rediscovered today with full knowledge of its negative impacts, it would be criminalized. Just as the harmful effects of smoking were only discovered afterwards. In the case of marijuana, it's mostly the stereotype image associated with it that keep it illegal.

It's less dangerous than alcohol, which is banned by many Muslim countries. The Muslims just resort to alternatives instead; the Yemen populace chews some intoxicating leaves, to the extent that everyone has a bulge in their cheek.

I don't do marijuana, really, because I find it to be a lot less fulfilling than alcohol, and it makes me feel sick. But for the life of me I can't understand what's really bad about it. I can't find anything remotely similar to the lines of it 'killing' you, like other drugs such as heroine do.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:56 AM
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I think you've made some very good points, ZuBad. Like I've said about my project; alcohol was clearly more detrimental for one's health than marijuana. Marijuana can be compared to the discovery of sugar;

I've read that if sugar were rediscovered today with full knowledge of its negative impacts, it would be criminalized. Just as the harmful effects of smoking were only discovered afterwards. In the case of marijuana, it's mostly the stereotype image associated with it that keep it illegal.

It's less dangerous than alcohol, which is banned by many Muslim countries. The Muslims just resort to alternatives instead; the Yemen populace chews some intoxicating leaves, to the extent that everyone has a bulge in their cheek.

I don't do marijuana, really, because I find it to be a lot less fulfilling than alcohol, and it makes me feel sick. But for the life of me I can't understand what's really bad about it. I can't find anything remotely similar to the lines of it 'killing' you, like other drugs such as heroine do.
Can you imagine it? Sugar illegal? haha

I know in some African countires there's a very popular root that is chewed throughout the day and after the full day of chewing it- you're relaxed and moderately high when your job is over. The name of it evades though
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Online, there was this set-up awhile ago. It was the president's book or something. It was the option for Americans to put forward issues and promote them by votes online; the ones with the highest points would thus be the ideas the people are putting forward of what they want changed in America. Those ideas would be given to Obama then.

Three ideas featured prominently.

One was legalization of marijuana.
The other was legalization of marijuana.
Another was that Obama tells everyone the truth about UFOs.

Apparently, that is what all of America wanted.
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I would like to point out that legalizing pot would make (at least) 50% of the population in most 1st world countries a pot head... lowering quality of the working population and damaging the economy >_>

If they legalize it they will have to controle the ammount bought and used by a person, and have mandatory urine or blood tests at work and schools.
I dont see it having any more restrictions then alcohol has now. It may at first, but it will die down.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:12 AM
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I would like to point out that legalizing pot would make (at least) 50% of the population in most 1st world countries a pot head... lowering quality of the working population and damaging the economy >_>
I smoke pot almost everyday, and I still got to uni, and I don't fall asleep in class. You sound like a grade A moron, and you haven't even provided any statistics.

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If they legalize it they will have to controle the ammount bought and used by a person, and have mandatory urine or blood tests at work and schools.
Wow, you sound like a really laid back guy. Ever heard of fascism? I thought you might have.
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I smoke pot almost everyday, and I still got to uni, and I don't fall asleep in class. You sound like a grade A moron, and you haven't even provided any statistics.


Wow, you sound like a really laid back guy. Ever heard of fascism? I thought you might have.
Read back to see why Snapple is so wary of weed...not to mention most people in the world aren't smart enough to limit themselves. That's why socialism/communism doesn't work, people are greedy and self-serving. Keeping control of your urges to disassociate yourself from the world (via drugs or other methods) isn't trivial. I know multiple young adult alcoholics, others who failed out because they smoked weed and never got up for class, and still more who simply just slept all day without regard to their social well-being. I'm not saying everyone is going to turn into a zombie/maniac, but legalizing marijana is definitely not a subject you can take lightly.
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:46 PM
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Weed doesn't make people lazy. Lazy people like weed.
I smoked on a daily basis for years before I quit, and it never caused any problems. I was already a lazy bastard, I was just a lazy and high bastard after I smoked it. Since I've quit, I'm not any less lazy. Hell, if anything, I'm MORE lazy now because I always felt I had to prove people wrong about the 'lazy stoner' stereotype.
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Read back to see why Snapple is so wary of weed...not to mention most people in the world aren't smart enough to limit themselves.
So what if they are not, it still none of your or my concern if someone overdoes it. Their problem.

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Keeping control of your urges to disassociate yourself from the world (via drugs or other methods) isn't trivial. I know multiple young adult alcoholics, others who failed out because they smoked weed and never got up for class, and still more who simply just slept all day without regard to their social well-being. I'm not saying everyone is going to turn into a zombie/maniac, but legalizing marijuana is definitely not a subject you can take lightly.
The thing is, the lazy thing is a stereotype and nothing more. Sure, there are people who smoke weed and don't go to class. But there are plenty of people who don't smoke weed and are also lazy bastards. I'll admit, while high, I am pretty lazy. But when I'm not high, I'm not lazy (well, not anymore than usual )
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:57 PM
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Weed doesn't make people lazy. Lazy people like weed.
I smoked on a daily basis for years before I quit, and it never caused any problems. I was already a lazy bastard, I was just a lazy and high bastard after I smoked it. Since I've quit, I'm not any less lazy. Hell, if anything, I'm MORE lazy now because I always felt I had to prove people wrong about the 'lazy stoner' stereotype.

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Here's what most of my point is.. Legalizing it or not legalizing is not going to change any of that. If someone wants to be lazy and not care about their future they're going to do it whether or not weed is legal. Either way- weed is probably not a very large factor in the people who are going to let their lazy unmotivated tendencies take a hold of them.

My ex-roommate provides us with a good example related to what was brought up before..

Freshman year he got to college and didn't try very hard and rarely got up for class... He didn't smoke weed very much but he definitely did on occasion (as did I). He wound up dropping out second semester with the plan to return next year.

The next year the same thing occurred except this time he was smoking weed everyday.. There was no difference in the end result- either way he was a lazy unmotivated sob- he was just choosing different ways to spend time with his laziness
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