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Old 05-03-2009, 10:44 AM
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Question The Novice Sanctuary (Simple Q&A on Azeroth)

The place to ask all those questions typically answered by "go look it up on wowwiki." A safe, flame free environment for the lore uninitiated.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:46 AM
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Hey this is a really good idea, it avoids spam and so forth.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:49 AM
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Odd we never thought to put it up before.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:52 AM
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hey before i ask questions here i always look at wowwiki first to get the facts i've been using wowwiki for over a year now lol.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:56 AM
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Yeah, that's what we're hoping people do, but we may as well keep a place for those who don't take the time for it. Not to mention, some articles on wowwiki have been known to push the boundaries on what's actually canon, so it's better to have a place to answer questions like "Are Hakkar the Houndmaster and Hakkar the Soulflayer related?" (A resounding no for any lurkers out there.)
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:00 AM
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So would this be like a SoL version of Diablofans' Ask Lore Questions Here (No Theories)? Or would we make a new Sticky similar to this?

I was about to suggest the idea here on the Spam thread.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:04 AM
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Yep, that's exactly what this is for. We tend to theorycraft everywhere else, so this thread is dedicated to answers that can be directly cited from canon sources.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:14 AM
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There are no sources claiming their age, but they're at least several hundreds of thousands of years old, since they infected Azeroth around the time of Azeroth's ordering, more than 120,000 years ago.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:17 AM
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Pretty Old.

They fought the titans at the Ordering of Azeroth, 147.000 years before the first war.

More info here: http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Old_Gods_...ing_of_Azeroth
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:10 AM
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I read something about a pentagon theory on the Old Gods' locations. Ulduar, Darkshore, Silithus, and then 2 other locations (STV--Hakkar? + Quel'thalas?--??).

Any idea where I can find more discussion on this? Wowwiki yields very little, and even a google search is mostly useless. Thanks!

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Old 05-04-2009, 10:13 AM
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There isn't realy much about it, but it was thought that it would fit, and the location of Yogg-Saron only strenghtens the theory.
The other locations would be where the highelves/highborn first landed (tirisfal I think) and maybe an island near stranglethorn^^
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:21 AM
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Ah, Tirisfal. I vaguely remember reading about something like that. The only weird thing going on there though, are the Worgen. Has there been any discussion on possible links between Worgen and Old Gods?

As for Hakkar--hasn't there been speculation that Hakkar may have been an Old God, though? I hope he wasn't, because he wasn't billed as such, and it would cheapen the idea of them as the ultimate bad guys--in that we killed him, one of only five, without ever realizing that he was one.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:26 AM
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Pentagon theory is just a theory, there are no sources backing it up.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:27 AM
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Pentagon theory is just a theory, there are no sources backing it up.
Not looking for sources. I'm more looking to be pointed to other relevant discussions/theorycrafting.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:32 AM
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This thread was created for statements based on official lore. We have enough theorycrafting everywhere else.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:39 AM
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Ah, Tirisfal. I vaguely remember reading about something like that. The only weird thing going on there though, are the Worgen. Has there been any discussion on possible links between Worgen and Old Gods?

As for Hakkar--hasn't there been speculation that Hakkar may have been an Old God, though? I hope he wasn't, because he wasn't billed as such, and it would cheapen the idea of them as the ultimate bad guys--in that we killed him, one of only five, without ever realizing that he was one.
I haven't heard that one before, but no, he's not an Old God. Merely a very blood thirsty and evil Loa.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:41 AM
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I haven't heard that one before, but no, he's not an Old God. Merely a very blood thirsty and evil Loa.
Go to WoWWiki. They base it on the fact that he's called "The Facelees One" once.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:47 AM
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can anyone tell me the status on half elves in warcraft universe...?i read that they are not much liked..but Varessa seems to love her children..but Alleria's son seems to be forgotten in Outland..
If this is not a question for novices then dunno..move it to a proper place...
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:48 AM
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This thread was created for statements based on official lore. We have enough theorycrafting everywhere else.
And that's what I'm asking to be pointed to--not to engage in it here.
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Go to WoWWiki. They base it on the fact that he's called "The Facelees One" once.
Ah, that...the theory wasn't that he was an Old God, but rather he was a minion of them. Still, the answer is the same, he was just a very vicious, very gluttonous Loa with a penchant for wicked deeds.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:59 AM
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I haven't heard that one before, but no, he's not an Old God. Merely a very blood thirsty and evil Loa.
It would appear that Hakkar is not the only blood thirsty Loa out there, if the ones mentioned in the old Magic & Mayhem books are to be believed. The troll religion appears to be built upon superstition and dark mysticism. I can easily imagine a troll village practicing ritualistic sacrifices when a drought has come upon the area. Cannibalism too seems prevelent amongst the more savage of the species, especially the Drakkari and Dark Trolls.

Can you honestly imagine how it would look to see an emanciated, starved, half crazed troll crawling after you? It only makes things worse when you realize that he's going to eat you....
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:07 AM
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There's a common theme of the serpentine Loa being evil, very biblical, but the Trolls themselves ritualistic practices aren't inherently evil. Their morals are definitely on the extreme end compared to the other races, but the act of canabalism, sacrifice, or dark mysticism is more bound to alignment of why the act occurred. For instance, canabalism can be part of a celebration of a great leader, non-human sacrifices probably occur, and mystic ritual could be used to bind evil spirits from harming others. I can't remember the citation, but I do know that Witchdoctors use head shrinking for just that purpose.

In any case, this isn't the place to theorycraft, just straight up answer questions that aren't always quite clear.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:16 AM
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can anyone tell me the status on half elves in warcraft universe...?i read that they are not much liked..but Varessa seems to love her children..but Alleria's son seems to be forgotten in Outland..
If this is not a question for novices then dunno..move it to a proper place...
It really depends on the parents. As the half-elves themselves say, "elves grow arrogance like a forest, while humans dine on the dust and stench of their cities". Elves are often too arrogant to accept their hybrid offspring, as humans are too conservative about their ages-old culture. However, few elf-human parents are responsible enough to keep up their children, like Vereesa or Alleria who supposedly kept her son until she disappeared along the kid's father.
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And here I was thinking this thread would receive no posts.

Excellent. A haven for the uninitiated at last. Good thinking Cantu'.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:48 AM
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It would appear that Hakkar is not the only blood thirsty Loa out there, if the ones mentioned in the old Magic & Mayhem books are to be believed. The troll religion appears to be built upon superstition and dark mysticism. I can easily imagine a troll village practicing ritualistic sacrifices when a drought has come upon the area. Cannibalism too seems prevelent amongst the more savage of the species, especially the Drakkari and Dark Trolls.
The Serpent Loa it would seem are all quasi-evil, or at the least completely amoral, as evidenced by Quetz'lun's torment in her personal hell of an afterlife of all those who attempted to draw her power.

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