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Old 07-18-2016, 07:44 PM
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Don't forget all of that "great" Trump merchandise made in... China?



You're definition of "terrible" isn't very good if you think that Bush is worse than Trump.
Jeb still gave a very poor show. He was very mediocre and gave a limp wristed performance. Maybe if Donald hadn't been in play but I doubt it
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Old 07-18-2016, 08:30 PM
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Off the top of my head, Chile, Georgia and Iceland.
Isn't Iceland part of Europe? Though yeah, Chile is definitely correct. I believe Morocco and Algeria also have pretty low murder rates (though Algeria was torn by violence during the '90s, and may go back to that after Bouteflika dies--Morocco's in decent shape, however).
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Old 07-18-2016, 08:33 PM
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Jeb still gave a very poor show. He was very mediocre and gave a limp wristed performance. Maybe if Donald hadn't been in play but I doubt it
Before we knew Trump was a credible threat, a lot of us automatically rejected Bush because enough of his family had been president already. He should've never been in the race.

The old joke was: are we gonna elect Clinton II or Bush III?
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Old 07-18-2016, 08:35 PM
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Before we knew Trump was a credible threat, a lot of us automatically rejected Bush because enough of his family had been president already. He should've never been in the race.

The old joke was: are we gonna elect Clinton II or Bush III?
Despite my earlier comment, I must admit that I felt very little enthusiasm for Bush. Dynastic candidates aren't necessarily worse than a caudillo like Trump, but they're far from an ideal choice.

Speaking of which, I do find it interesting that Trump's style is so reminiscent of a Latin American strongman's. One sees the echoes of De Rosas, Santa Ana, and Chavez in his rhetoric and even some of his policies--xenophobic and protectionist as they are. Perhaps it is the way of things; as Latin America breaks free from the populist stranglehold, the yanqui submits to the same.
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Old 07-18-2016, 08:46 PM
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Some people consider Georgia to be in Europe. Iceland has a huge suicide rate thanks to winters. Chile is correct.
I'm not sure if suicide counts as a "crime", especially in Iceland.
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Old 07-18-2016, 08:50 PM
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Despite my earlier comment, I must admit that I felt very little enthusiasm for Bush. Dynastic candidates aren't necessarily worse than a caudillo like Trump, but they're far from an ideal choice.

Speaking of which, I do find it interesting that Trump's style is so reminiscent of a Latin American strongman's. One sees the echoes of De Rosas, Santa Ana, and Chavez in his rhetoric and even some of his policies--xenophobic and protectionist as they are. Perhaps it is the way of things; as Latin America breaks free from the populist stranglehold, the yanqui submits to the same.
Now if only we had a wall to help negate the negative aspects of cultural enrichment...
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:05 PM
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Now if only we had a wall to help negate the negative aspects of cultural enrichment...
The immigrants aren't the ones voting for the caudillo.

They may be voting for the corrupt kleptomaniac, but not the caudillo.
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:14 PM
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They're voting to drag down America's National IQ through a loose border.
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:32 PM
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The immigrants aren't the ones voting for the caudillo.

They may be voting for the corrupt kleptomaniac, but not the caudillo.
/shrug..

I wasnt trying to be accurate. Only snappy.

Which I fail at..
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:59 PM
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Oh, wow. Lazyass speechwriters! You gotta love them!
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Old 07-19-2016, 02:37 AM
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Then perhaps American culture is due for a reformation, if it's going to stay on top, because it's not setting an especially good example to the rest of the world.

And, as I've said several times in the past, I doubt that the US' extreme issues with crime has got to do with diversity more than it has to do with quite a large number of people living in squalor in shitty neighbourhoods, with little to no chances of breaking away. It's desperation that makes people turn to crime. Add to that a mentality among the law enforcement to fight fire with fire, and you pretty much get to where we are today.
I don't think that is the reason people turn to crime. It isn't like most instances of people stealing are doing so for food. The reasons people turn to crime is the same reason they are poor. It requires a certain determination, fiscal discipline, and foresight to become wealthy. You have to take opportunities that are given to you. There are people who are far poorer than what you will find in the US but they are far more appreciative of life and law abiding. Poverty is a relative term.

Murder and rape aren't acts of desperation. When one gang member kills a rival gang member it isn't to put food on the table. They don't have an investment in their community or any respect for it. It is the culture they grew up in. Better role models and family figures would go far but it is a very difficult proposition especially when these people are already adults. People can invest more in their neighborhoods or invest in themselves to get away but they don't want to. They weren't raised with that sort of will. Petty criminals and people who can't hold a job and thus remain in poverty simply didn't grasp the opportunities that came to them.

Our issues are hardly extreme and have actually been getting better and are almost to our 1950s low. They are better than other nations who have the same demographics we do. Latin America has horrible crime. They are also very heterogeneous. I don't see why the US should be compared to nations who are more homogeneous and have been settled for hundreds if not thousands of years when it comes to crime. There needs to be that sense of community and investment. People need that sense of belonging or purpose or they will resort to anti-social behavior. Just look where the violent crime in the US is and where it is not. It isn't a broad or holistic phenomenon. I wasn't at risk of being shot or mugged growing up in suburbia.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:20 AM
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I'm not sure if suicide counts as a "crime", especially in Iceland.
You're right, just a lot of people dying.

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Oh, wow. Lazyass speechwriters! You gotta love them!
Maybe it's time to accept Trump so Hillary doesn't win?
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:33 AM
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It's something out of South Park. They just didn't care.
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:47 AM
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Maybe it's time to accept Trump so Hillary doesn't win?
But I really don't like Trump. I want to see him and Reince Priebus fail/resign. I want to read the article of him spewing his mouth after he loses. I hope his reputation is tarnished after this and it negatively impacts his business. This was a great opportunity to turn things around after the Obama years. There was a lot of good candidates that could have beaten Clinton and had the backing of congress. He went and ruined it by being the most unpopular nominee ever and turning the election into a lose/lose situation. He brings so many other people down with him. I really wanted change and now that isn't even a possibility for another 4 years because of Trump.

It isn't like Clinton can do much with a congress that keeps her in check anyways. They won't pass anything she has on her website.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:39 AM
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But I really don't like Trump. I want to see him and Reince Priebus fail/resign. I want to read the article of him spewing his mouth after he loses. I hope his reputation is tarnished after this and it negatively impacts his business. This was a great opportunity to turn things around after the Obama years. There was a lot of good candidates that could have beaten Clinton and had the backing of congress. He went and ruined it by being the most unpopular nominee ever and turning the election into a lose/lose situation. He brings so many other people down with him. I really wanted change and now that isn't even a possibility for another 4 years because of Trump.

It isn't like Clinton can do much with a congress that keeps her in check anyways. They won't pass anything she has on her website.
Congress couldn't keep her in check as SoS. She wasn't charged with what is basically treason. Why would she be controllable as president?
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:06 AM
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The cognitive dissonance in this thread and elsewhere from this shitstorm would be hella funny if it weren't so sad.
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:27 AM
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Congress couldn't keep her in check as SoS. She wasn't charged with what is basically treason. Why would she be controllable as president?
Right now there are two terrible candidates.

If Trump wins, there will be two terrible candidates in four years (Trump and a democrat) and we'll be in the same boat.

If Hillary wins, we might have a good Republican candidate. It's planning for the longterm.

...except for the Justices.
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:43 AM
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The cognitive dissonance in this thread and elsewhere from this shitstorm would be hella funny if it weren't so sad.
How so?
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:47 AM
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How so?
Like it would be funny if it were a fictional story, but it's actually real life so it's kinda scary.

And here's this: Colbert roasting the RNC dressed as Flickerman from the Hunger Games.

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Old 07-19-2016, 11:48 AM
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Maybe it's time to accept Trump so Hillary doesn't win?
Nope. You wanted him, you got him.

I don't give a shit if Hillary wins. It's the fault of the Trump voters and Trump himself. They think they can win without Conservatives? They can go ahead and prove it.
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Old 07-19-2016, 12:53 PM
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Trump and his followers ARE conservatives. They're just the unhinged radical ones with no filter.

Trump came to power entirely because a lot of conservatives agreed with his message
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Trump and his followers ARE conservatives. They're just the unhinged radical ones with no filter.

Trump came to power entirely because a lot of conservatives agreed with his message
That's called "guilt by association", and you do it a lot.
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Old 07-19-2016, 02:27 PM
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Right now there are two terrible candidates.

If Trump wins, there will be two terrible candidates in four years (Trump and a democrat) and we'll be in the same boat.

If Hillary wins, we might have a good Republican candidate. It's planning for the longterm.

...except for the Justices.
There is nothing to suggest that the Republicans wouldn't just put up another Jeb, Romney, or McCain. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

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Nope. You wanted him, you got him.

I don't give a shit if Hillary wins. It's the fault of the Trump voters and Trump himself. They think they can win without Conservatives? They can go ahead and prove it.
I see you hate law and order then and possibly the Constitution.
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Old 07-19-2016, 02:33 PM
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Like it would be funny if it were a fictional story, but it's actually real life so it's kinda scary.

And here's this: Colbert roasting the RNC dressed as Flickerman from the Hunger Games.

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That's called "guilt by association", and you do it a lot.
So does literally everyone else.
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