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Old 04-20-2017, 10:46 AM
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I honestly don't understand those complaints about the lack of introduction, at all. The introduction scenario was a good intro already.

It seems like you guys do the stuff and the next week you completely forget about them.
The introduction introduces us to our base camp and the Soul Engine, and that's it - the latter of which we blow up at the end of the questline, and we only return to its former location by way of sometimes looking at the map and seeing a World Quest. After the intro we're left staring at World Quest markers as the only impetus for going to each part of the island. That's not the story. That's "here's your island to grind, good luck with that."

Even the Timeless Isle had a "go check out all the major landmarks" quest to open things up and make the place start out feeling "solid." It was the bare minimum, but it was something, and at the very least the Timeless Isle itself was somewhat ancillary to the main story of its associated patch. The Broken Shore is the continuation of the main story yet lacks even that, and so comes across as a "World Quest arena" rather than a fully storied zone that we return to for our World Quests and Sentinax invasions after some initial quest-driven forays to establish each major locale.

It honestly ends up feeling like rather than building a zone that becomes a source of World Quests like the rest of the Broken Isles did, they were in a big rush to just plug one more World Quest hub into each player's preexisting rotation of daily chores.

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Old 04-20-2017, 11:12 AM
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The introduction introduces us to our base camp and the Soul Engine, and that's it - the latter of which we blow up at the end of the questline, and we only return to its former location by way of sometimes looking at the map and seeing a World Quest. After the intro we're left staring at World Quest markers as the only impetus for going to each part of the island. That's not the story. That's "here's your island to grind, good luck with that."

Even the Timeless Isle had a "go check out all the major landmarks" quest to open things up and make the place start out feeling "solid." It was the bare minimum, but it was something, and at the very least the Timeless Isle itself was somewhat ancillary to the main of its associated patch. The Broken Shore is the continuation of the main story yet lacks even that, and so comes across as a "World Quest arena" rather than a fully storied zone that we return to for our World Quests and Sentinax invasions after some initial quest-driven forays to establish each major locale.

It honestly ends up feeling like rather than building a zone that becomes a source of World Quests like the rest of the Broken Isles did, they were in a big rush to just plug one more World Quest hub into each player's preexisting rotation of daily chores.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:21 PM
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Still better than having to follow Illidan fucking everywhere and having to listen to his rambling.
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:21 PM
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Still better than having to follow Illidan fucking everywhere and having to listen to his rambling.
Illidan makes it worse since he's so disjointed from the sort of story you're getting from Anduin.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:36 PM
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Well, the Warrior Hall's teleport was nice while it lasted.

Before it started crashing the game and dumping me in western Aszuna nearly every single time I use it.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:37 PM
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Well, the Warrior Hall's teleport was nice while it lasted.

Before it started crashing the game and dumping me in western Aszuna nearly every single time I use it.
I noticed something like that happening on my Paladin when he flew to Azsuna as well, had to reset everything just to get back.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:26 PM
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If y'all have Avast Anti-virus and it did its recent update, might want to double check if "Game Mode" is turned on. I had crazy load screen times and crashes, game exit crashes, and other weird issues. Dunno if that's related or not, but turning off Avast's Game Mode has largely solved these issues, and has also improved the whole Sky Hall Jump issues too.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:39 PM
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Hmm, one of today's Broken Shore quests features a return of the Legion's Rakeeshi forces, now corrupting the southeast shore. Perhaps a hint that Velen's son isn't necessarily staying dead?

Which in retrospect would make Velen's breakdown in the Exodar seem a bit premature if nothing we did to Rakeesh was going to be permanent anyway.
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:02 PM
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Hmm, one of today's Broken Shore quests features a return of the Legion's Rakeeshi forces, now corrupting the southeast shore. Perhaps a hint that Velen's son isn't necessarily staying dead?

Which in retrospect would make Velen's breakdown in the Exodar seem a bit premature if nothing we did to Rakeesh was going to be permanent anyway.
He didn't have an emotional breakdown because Rakeesh was dead.

He had an emotional breakdown because Rakeesh was alive, and serving the Legion.
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:16 PM
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He didn't have an emotional breakdown because Rakeesh was dead.

He had an emotional breakdown because Rakeesh was alive, and serving the Legion.
Right, but the "you must not kill him" thing...well, as it turns out him being a demon meant we weren't really killing him. Velen basically went aggro trying to stop us from temporarily kicking Rakeesh out of Azeroth.

That said, his talk of returning home carries a rather different implication if Rakeesh lives. With Rakeesh dead it came across like Velen intended to return to Argus to dole out retribution upon Kil'jaeden for it, but if Rakeesh lives he could actually mean to find his son on Argus and try to save him.

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Old 04-20-2017, 10:32 PM
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Right, but the "you must not kill him" thing...well, as it turns out him being a demon meant we weren't really killing him. Velen basically went aggro trying to stop us from temporarily kicking Rakeesh out of Azeroth.

That said, his talk of returning home carries a rather different implication if Rakeesh lives. With Rakeesh dead it came across like Velen intended to return to Argus to dole out retribution upon Kil'jaeden for it, but if Rakeesh lives he could actually mean to find his son on Argus and try to save him.
It was an emotional moment. How do you expect him to be rational back then?

In his emotions, he was trying to stop us from killing him. The fact that Rakeesh would be able to regenerate in the Nether was something he would only realize later on, after the emotions subsided.
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:26 AM
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Also once kiljeaden was done twisting the knife with Rakeesh, he could easily destroy or imprison his soul, to torment Velen further.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:14 AM
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That part where Anduin saw Varian in a vision, Varian should have said "You must take your place in the circle of life."
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:56 AM
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If y'all have Avast Anti-virus and it did its recent update, might want to double check if "Game Mode" is turned on. I had crazy load screen times and crashes, game exit crashes, and other weird issues. Dunno if that's related or not, but turning off Avast's Game Mode has largely solved these issues, and has also improved the whole Sky Hall Jump issues too.
If you use Avast Anti-virus I recommend that you go see a doctor, a shrink, or a priest or some shit, because there's something seriously wrong with you.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:00 AM
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If you use Avast Anti-virus I recommend that you go see a doctor, a shrink, or a priest or some shit, because there's something seriously wrong with you.
What's currently the best security program to use?
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:33 AM
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If you use Avast Anti-virus I recommend that you go see a doctor, a shrink, or a priest or some shit, because there's something seriously wrong with you.
Avast is fine, just don't rely on it for in-depth scans. Combo it with MalwareBytes and you'll be fine so long as you aren't clicking on clitoral enhancement ads or downloading boxes of trojans.

Now if someone is still using Kaspersky in this day and age, then I fear for their sanity. If they're using McAfee or Norton, I know they're nuts.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:06 AM
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What's currently the best security program to use?
I have no idea, actually. I just seem to remember Avast not being awfully reliable and wanted to be an ass.

I use Malwarebyte's Anti-malware combined with Spybot Search and Destroy, and have been doing so for the past ten years. I'm not sure if it's optimal, but it seems to work, considering I've never had issues with viruses or malware.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:34 AM
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I have no idea, actually. I just seem to remember Avast not being awfully reliable and wanted to be an ass.

I use Malwarebyte's Anti-malware combined with Spybot Search and Destroy, and have been doing so for the past ten years. I'm not sure if it's optimal, but it seems to work, considering I've never had issues with viruses or malware.
Spybot's not as consistent as it used to be. From what I've read, Bitdefender's your best bet for premium, but if you don't want to deal with its more annoying habits on the freeware version, then Avast is perfectly acceptable. Webroot's also been upping their game.

Either way, yeah, it's MWB that's giving you protection (alongside modern browsers' own security updates). SS&D isn't even listed in the top tier of AV anymore.
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:24 AM
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If you're not using multiple spyware/anti-virus programs, then that's the real problem. Avast+Malwarebytes works fine as a combo.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:09 AM
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The Anduin quest-line and cinematic is intended to tie together the loose ends with the leadership of the Alliance following the events of the Broken Shore in 7.0.

It's aimed to be similar in nature to the second cinematic Horde players saw following the 7.0 introduction quests which solidified Sylvanas as the new Warchief of the Horde.


Are you kidding me?

That cinematic has more character growth than the sylvanas Warchief coronation (she should ressurect grom).
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:32 AM
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Now if someone is still using Kaspersky in this day and age, then I fear for their sanity.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:42 AM
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The Anduin quest-line and cinematic is intended to tie together the loose ends with the leadership of the Alliance following the events of the Broken Shore in 7.0.

It's aimed to be similar in nature to the second cinematic Horde players saw following the 7.0 introduction quests which solidified Sylvanas as the new Warchief of the Horde.


Are you kidding me?

That cinematic has more character growth than the sylvanas Warchief coronation (she should ressurect grom).
Of course it does because he isn't a fleshed out character and until now has yet to have some real growth and maturity. Shes already had her time in the sun.Plus like they said its to tie up loose ends for him taking over since we already saw her
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:14 AM
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The Anduin quest-line and cinematic is intended to tie together the loose ends with the leadership of the Alliance following the events of the Broken Shore in 7.0.

It's aimed to be similar in nature to the second cinematic Horde players saw following the 7.0 introduction quests which solidified Sylvanas as the new Warchief of the Horde.


Are you kidding me?

That cinematic has more character growth than the sylvanas Warchief coronation (she should ressurect grom).
So basically, they aren't going to focus on Sylvanas anymore until they're ready to make her the next Horde raid boss, got it.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:07 PM
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Anduin was shoved everyones throat in pandaria, while in cataclysm Sylvanas was, Sure Sylvanas does some minor stuff that isnt horde related (it is more forsaken stuff) But still I find it worrying they chose to not focus so much on sylvanas because she is supposed to be a big player in legion then again so is dargrul and other mobs that die in a quest.
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:36 PM
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It's so weird how Priests get a Forsaken class trainer for one of their champions, that means that if you're Alliance you can have her help you kill her own allies.

Should have given Alliance a Dark Iron Shadow Priest instead, or Moira.
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