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Old 07-03-2018, 07:42 PM
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Findings that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton were 'accurate and on point': Senate intel panel

Even Fox News is reporting this stuff.

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Between the changes to the supreme court and the obvious erasure of history in our classrooms I am terrified of the fate of the mind and soul of our country, I feel powerless, what the hell can be done to stop this insanity?
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1) Vote for the most liberal candidates you can in every election.
2) Volunteer.
3) Bother politicians to implement ranked-choice voting. This should hopefully reduce the influence of right-wing crazies in the future, and perhaps even slightly reduce partisanship as the parties slowly begin to fragment.
4) Learn how to use a gun and prepare for the coming civil war.

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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:03 PM
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3) Bother politicians to implement ranked-choice voting. This should hopefully reduce the influence of right-wing crazies in the future, and perhaps even slightly reduce partisanship as the parties slowly begin to fragment.
While I don't know that I can agree with literally anything else you've said, you & I are on the same page with this one. One of our biggest problems today is lack of communication; that problem stems largely from polarization. And polarization is, by definition, due to the boiling down of American politics into two massive polar opposite political factions. There's no nuance, no subtlety, no room for reconciliation when doing so means DEATH, apparently.

Ranked Voting (or Preferential Voting, especially something as simple as Modified Borda Count) is simply superior in nearly every way. Keep FPTP single-vote elections for schoolyard debates or high school prom queens, and let the adults in the room FINALLY start expressing a diversity of opinion! Maybe I don't like everything about Candidate B, but he's a far sight better than Candidate C or D, and if I can only vote for A, well, then, shucky darns. : [

Don't get me started on preferential voting. Suffice it to say, Go Maine!
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Old 07-04-2018, 07:43 PM
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@Triumvirate

CPG Grey has some good videos on the topic of voting methods, my favorite is STV:


Though Mixed Member Proportional is also good. He also harps on FPTP in a very enjoyable manner, really exposing how crappy the spoiler effect is and how it is vulnerable to gerrymandering.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:31 PM
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@Triumvirate

CPG Grey has some good videos on the topic of voting methods, my favorite is STV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

Though Mixed Member Proportional is also good. He also harps on FPTP in a very enjoyable manner, really exposing how crappy the spoiler effect is and how it is vulnerable to gerrymandering.
Ironic; he's precisely one of the people I was thinking of (though I discovered & researched different Voting methods before him). Excellent choice.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:26 AM
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Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!
- Dolan Drumpf suffering a brainfart of epic proportions, forgetting about half a decade of nuclear arms-races and proxy-wars.
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:59 AM
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A couple dozen Russians indicted. Every reasonable person agreeing that Russia meddled in the election. Then donnie and the GOP go hang out in Russia and say we should be great friends. Sure looks a lot like collusion.
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:22 AM
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Finland has not been Russian for a long while.
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:33 AM
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Finland has not been Russian for a long while.
A bunch of Republican congressmen did go to Russia proper recently. They all came back saying "interesting" things.

I'd also like to point out that donnie talks shit about all kinds of world leaders, our own intelligence agencies, etc, yet has consistently praised dictators and other authoritarians. He loves Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, Erdogan, etc.
He even gave Erdogan a terrorist fist jab.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-f...the-right-way/

It seems even some righties are getting upset at his submissive attitude in regards to the election meddling, too.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/puti...-election.html
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:16 PM
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Migrants Allege They Were Subjected To Dirty Detention Facilities, Bad Food And Water

Arrest everyone who works for CBP & ICE. Oh, and the entire Trump administration. Evil fucks.
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.

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Old 07-28-2018, 04:23 PM
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:28 PM
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The US isn't evil (yet anyway). We do have a "slight" problem with individuals running the executive branch who are, have been, or will be accused/indicted/convicted of various crimes of impropriety.

Assuming the constitution wins out over politics and blind fetishistic rage, the US can go back to being a morally grey behemoth of a super-power with far fewer instances of improper behavior at far lower levels of power.

In other words, Mueller 2020. I mean, he's not the most liberal individual on earth, but I'd rather have a moderate who's sane, sober, and reasonable over a continuing back and forth shit show of extremism and propaganda.
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Old 08-08-2018, 11:45 PM
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1) Vote for the most liberal candidates you can in every election.

4) Learn how to use a gun and prepare for the coming civil war.
These are direct contradictions.

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Between the changes to the supreme court and the obvious erasure of history in our classrooms I am terrified of the fate of the mind and soul of our country, I feel powerless, what the hell can be done to stop this insanity?
If you're so worried about it, channel the spirit of Timothy McVeigh and make some headlines.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:37 PM
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These are direct contradictions.
I own more guns than you.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:40 AM
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I own more guns than you.
Probably. You've had longer to acquire them, after all. My collection (if you can call it that) has doubled in overall value in the past year and a half, although not in quantity. Right now I'm saving up to fix my astigmatism - found out I had it that hard way.

Virtue signal about how much minorities and snowflakes deserve more legal privileges than you do all you like; keep voting for Democrats and they'll take the first opportunity they can to add as many "reasonable restrictions" to your state's laws as they can. Doesn't matter who you put in power - they will always toe the party line when it matters the most.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:14 AM
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Probably. You've had longer to acquire them, after all. My collection (if you can call it that) has doubled in overall value in the past year and a half, although not in quantity. Right now I'm saving up to fix my astigmatism - found out I had it that hard way.
Got a red dot sight before checking one out, eh?

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"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:41 PM
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Probably. You've had longer to acquire them, after all. My collection (if you can call it that) has doubled in overall value in the past year and a half, although not in quantity. Right now I'm saving up to fix my astigmatism - found out I had it that hard way.

Virtue signal about how much minorities and snowflakes deserve more legal privileges than you do all you like; keep voting for Democrats and they'll take the first opportunity they can to add as many "reasonable restrictions" to your state's laws as they can. Doesn't matter who you put in power - they will always toe the party line when it matters the most.
Until African-Americans and Women aren't discriminated against day to day, they do deserve more legal protections than the average majority White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant individual. They'll also reasonably restrict other stupid shit like (defacto) dumping massive quantities of fertilizers into the water system (causing the current algal bloom in Florida) and abuse of power over internet communication (e.g. the neutering of net neutrality by Ajit Pai).

SoL and startups like Discord can only exist with net neutrality, which can only continue existing with non-Fascist and non-Libertarian government. Given that Trump represents Fascists (repeatedly saying he admires them) and his backers represent either/both facism and libertarianism (e.g. Betsy DeVos deregulating scam, for-profit colleges), I'd say a hefty dose of liberal and mixed socialism/capitalism is necessary over the current government.

On the other hand, if we go with your example, let's just get it over with and pretend Russia's conception of society works. That is to say (as my SO reflects on her experience growing up/returning there), anyone who doesn't represent being White and Male gets abused and stepped on. Are you Jewish (as she is)? Congrats, you're hated! Are you non-White (as I am)? Congrats, you're a second-class citizen who will be harassed on the street. Are you a woman? Congrats, you're just there as a prop to pop babies out! Yes, in that glorious "utopia" of Russia, where being non-Christian or Gay can get you lynched, you have the perfect example of what the modern GOP (especially the Alt-Right) is looking to build.

So yeah...I'm happy with the direction of supporting minority groups, because I'd rather trend towards equal rights at the cost of my privileges than trend towards the societies exemplified by Russia and Saudi Arabia.
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I feel like half of that rant wasn't even directed at me, but rather the alt-right neonazi confederate KKK Grand Dragon strawman you seem to think I represent. What "example" did I give? What do boot-licking Russian heroin addicts and Saudi monarchist boy-fuckers have to do with anything?
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I feel like half of that rant wasn't even directed at me, but rather the alt-right neonazi confederate KKK Grand Dragon strawman you seem to think I represent. What "example" did I give? What do boot-licking Russian heroin addicts and Saudi monarchist boy-fuckers have to do with anything?
They're the end result of refusing to support minority rights.
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Old 08-15-2018, 10:26 AM
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"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
Equality is a lie there is only hierarchy.
To treat those who are fundamentally unequal as equal is a great indignity.
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They're the end result of refusing to support minority rights.
Minorities have all the same rights I do. Refusing to give up my seat at the front of the bus to go sit at the back when someone with darker skin than mine gets on after I've already sat down does not make me Hitler. Grow up. You are not special. Nobody owes you or anyone else shit.

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Please explain this part.
I believe he was quoting someone from some point in history. Couldn't tell you if it was from the 60's in defense of segregation or from the century beforehand defending slavery, but I remember the line.
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:41 PM
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These are direct contradictions.
Preparing for any civil war involves breaking the law.

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Minorities have all the same rights I do. Refusing to give up my seat at the front of the bus to go sit at the back when someone with darker skin than mine gets on after I've already sat down does not make me Hitler. Grow up. You are not special. Nobody owes you or anyone else shit.
Having the same rights on paper is not the same as having the same rights in practice.

Case where most people would agree, go look at African American voting rights in the wake of the civil war. Supposedly they had them to the same extent as white people, but in reality the restrictions were designed to be enforced against African Americans more than whites.
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Preparing for any civil war involves breaking the law.
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Having the same rights on paper is not the same as having the same rights in practice.
Therefore your obvious answer to the perceived problem is to start legislating to enforce discrimination based on race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation, right?

Nah. You can fuck right off with that. Dragging back Jim Crow from his grave and aiming him at whites won't do a thing except add fuel to the fire.
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