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Old 09-12-2017, 06:58 PM
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He just resigned because he kept being accused of molestation.
If only the same would happen with a certain orange child rapist.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:22 PM
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Kakwakas already provided it, now answer my question.


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While this is probably better than sending folks to jjail, it's another factor in my concerns about equality under the law
You didn't provide any sources.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:34 PM
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I'm enjoying the fact that my arguments are so good and sound that it seems there are at least two right-wingers who are afraid to even be exposed to them for fear of losing their political identities.
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:03 PM
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1. Seattles economy is fine, there are many ways to interpret that new study since they didn't include statistics on large employers

One study does not upend years of previous studies, its results must be reproduceable, it does provide important datapoints about how minimum wage affects small businesses. [Though it reducing shortterm and helping longterm fits some projections it's important to know if that pans out]

2. What Ed Murray has been accused of is horrifying, but I'm not sure what that has to do with whether his policies are working and the status of Seattle's economy, which has numerous factors affecting it.

https://patch.com/washington/seattle...ew-report-says

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/b...imum-wage.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...helps-workers/

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So what you want me to copy and paste his post?
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:53 PM
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So what you want me to copy and paste his post?
If you can provide legitimate sources from Harvey, that'd be great.
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:13 PM
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If you can provide legitimate sources from Harvey, that'd be great.
You're just being petty and obtuse at this point. You KNOW that in a state of millions there'd be a mix of people involved, Kakwakas has already posted several examples, it's not a matter of it being a debate anymore, you're just dragging your feet.

And don't try to goalpost shift this to just Harvey, I'm referring to Irma as well.

http://www.abc15.com/news/national/l...t-lucie-county

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-pa...rma-hits-state



And tying back to my original point...

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/reve...arvey-looters/

http://www.snopes.com/2017/09/01/har...-troll-tweets/

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Amidst devastating flooding in the wake of Hurricane Harvey, fake Twitter accounts were used to sow fear and racial hatred.

he tweets were taken at face value by some mainstream media outlets (including Click2Houston), as well as by several right-leaning blogs such as Pacific Pundit, DC Clothesline, and Think Americana, with the latter using them as the basis for a report stating that “far leftists promote looting of homes and businesses of only Trump supporters”.

What we found when we looked at the tweets carefully, however, was that all of them were fake, originating from troll accounts set up under assumed identities. None of the photos depict anything that actually took place in Houston, much less in 2017. The image immediately above, for example, dates from 2009. The group photo of gang members in the tweet above that one originally appeared in the New York Daily News 2013. The image captioned “Crack open tha liquor store” was previously seen on the Internet in 2014. And the photo used in the “We lootin this bitch” tweet actually depicts a riot that took place in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2016.
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:57 PM
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Social stability and improved quality of life
Thomas Hobbes wouldn't agree with you.

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Old 09-12-2017, 11:26 PM
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Thomas Hobbes wouldn't agree with you.



You mean Liberal morality?



You accept evolution don't you?
1. Yeah, I disagree with a long dead philosopher who was a bit of a pessimist.

2. As opposed to?

3. What does that have to do with my previous answer?
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:46 AM
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"Roy Moore, the disgraced former judge leading the pack in a US Senate election, has close ties to a pastor who has called for gay people to be put to death."
"Asked if gay people should be executed, he said: 'Well I don’t, you know, I’m not here to outline any punishments for sodomy.'"
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/12...d-be-executed/

How does any reasonable person find that to be an acceptable answer?
How has the mainstream American right wing decided that nazis have some good people and maybe gays should be executed?
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:11 AM
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Thomas Hobbes wouldn't agree with you.
You've based your world view on Thomas Hobbes'?
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:19 AM
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That is the comics with the tiger right?
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:38 AM
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"Roy Moore, the disgraced former judge leading the pack in a US Senate election, has close ties to a pastor who has called for gay people to be put to death."
"Asked if gay people should be executed, he said: 'Well I don’t, you know, I’m not here to outline any punishments for sodomy.'"
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/12...d-be-executed/

How does any reasonable person find that to be an acceptable answer?
How has the mainstream American right wing decided that nazis have some good people and maybe gays should be executed?
Gods this is unsettling.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:59 AM
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You're just being petty and obtuse at this point. You KNOW that in a state of millions there'd be a mix of people involved, Kakwakas has already posted several examples, it's not a matter of it being a debate anymore, you're just dragging your feet.

And don't try to goalpost shift this to just Harvey, I'm referring to Irma as well.

http://www.abc15.com/news/national/l...t-lucie-county

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-pa...rma-hits-state
Thank you for providing a source instead of just linking a blurry tumblr picture.
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Thank you for providing a source instead of just linking a blurry tumblr picture.
You're pretty smug for someone who's

A: Been ignoring that it's been posted for the past day by Kakwakas

B: That I've never "Just" posted a blurry tumblr picture, no matter what you tell yourself.
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:49 AM
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How has the mainstream American right wing decided that nazis have some good people
So I'll honestly say the Charlottesville incident surprised me in that the perpetrators were so antisemitic, as opposed to racist. They were more... "neonazi" and less "neoconfederate". For me, it automatically triggers suspicions of foreign cultural nfluence. "Unamerican" bigotry instead of good ol' fashioned USA bigotry.

Sure, I know there's always been antisemitism in the U.S. But in time growing up, it's always felt like American discrimination was more pointed at blacks while European discrimination was more pointed at Jews. These are the points floating in my head:

* America's bigot-country was the Confederacy, which enslaved blacks but had a Jew in its top echelon. Europe's bigot-country was Nazi Germany.

* Even apart from those countries... in the 1890s, France was having its Dreyfus Affair about the same time Jim Crow laws were holding firm in the American South.

* America moved toward religious freedom before much of Europe. Europe moved toward racial equality before much of America. In general.

* In America, a LOT of us are circumcised at birth, just because. I've spoken with a lot of European... reactionaries who flip their feces at such blatant Jewry.

* In more modern times, a huge chunk of American Protestantism believes Jews are still chosen by God to inherit the holy land of Israel. Related, I believe the "Messianic Jewish" movement is American in origin. This favorable view on Jews has, in recent past, influenced our conservative Christian elements. Which connects to...

* Our American bigotry against Arabs and Muslims naturally plays into our support for Israel and Jews.

* Maybe it's a Southern sectionalism thing, but I've grown up where the stereotype of "filthy Jewish banker" is more likely to be "filthy New York banker" or maybe just "filthy Yankee". Can any other Southerner confirm that's been the bigotry more commonly seen? Maybe it's just a local thing.


These things have built up in my life experience to the point that, yes, I was surprised to hear the Charlottesville rightists were chanting antisemitic phrases - of all things.

Who are the dirty European infiltrators who snuck into our nation and warped our ordinary, American-apple-pie bigotry into some twisted, inferior facsimile of their own?!

EDIT: Frankly, I blame globalism.

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Old 09-13-2017, 10:15 AM
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So I'll honestly say the Charlottesville incident surprised me in that the perpetrators were so antisemitic, as opposed to racist. They were more... "neonazi" and less "neoconfederate". For me, it automatically triggers suspicions of foreign cultural nfluence. "Unamerican" bigotry instead of good ol' fashioned USA bigotry.

Sure, I know there's always been antisemitism in the U.S. But in time growing up, it's always felt like American discrimination was more pointed at blacks while European discrimination was more pointed at Jews. These are the points floating in my head:

* America's bigot-country was the Confederacy, which enslaved blacks but had a Jew in its top echelon. Europe's bigot-country was Nazi Germany.

* Even apart from those countries... in the 1890s, France was having its Dreyfus Affair about the same time Jim Crow laws were holding firm in the American South.

* America moved toward religious freedom before much of Europe. Europe moved toward racial equality before much of America. In general.

* In America, a LOT of us are circumcised at birth, just because. I've spoken with a lot of European... reactionaries who flip their feces at such blatant Jewry.

* In more modern times, a huge chunk of American Protestantism believes Jews are still chosen by God to inherit the holy land of Israel. Related, I believe the "Messianic Jewish" movement is American in origin. This favorable view on Jews has, in recent past, influenced our conservative Christian elements. Which connects to...

* Our American bigotry against Arabs and Muslims naturally plays into our support for Israel and Jews.

* Maybe it's a Southern sectionalism thing, but I've grown up where the stereotype of "filthy Jewish banker" is more likely to be "filthy New York banker" or maybe just "filthy Yankee". Can any other Southerner confirm that's been the bigotry more commonly seen? Maybe it's just a local thing.


These things have built up in my life experience to the point that, yes, I was surprised to hear the Charlottesville rightists were chanting antisemitic phrases - of all things.

Who are the dirty European infiltrators who snuck into our nation and warped our ordinary, American-apple-pie bigotry into some twisted, inferior facsimile of their own?!

EDIT: Frankly, I blame globalism.
There have always been some supporters of the good, old National Socialism in the US, so I am not sure if contemporary globalism is entirely to blame. Still, you did hit the nail on the head there, there certainly is a certain divide found among the hyper-national elements of the US. Funnily enough, this divide is rather evident in an economic sphere, most of our research (conducted through monitoring the discourse among these fringe groups, especially on certain internet websites) clearly shows that those strongly antisemitic tend to shun capitalism all together through its apparently inherent association with Judeocracy, whereas those you've called "neoconfederate" usually stand on the opposite side of things.
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Oh, look, a fucking attempted lynching went down in New Hampshire.
http://news.sky.com/story/protest-af...agers-11033572
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So I'll honestly say the Charlottesville incident surprised me in that the perpetrators were so antisemitic, as opposed to racist. They were more... "neonazi" and less "neoconfederate". For me, it automatically triggers suspicions of foreign cultural nfluence. "Unamerican" bigotry instead of good ol' fashioned USA bigotry.

Sure, I know there's always been antisemitism in the U.S. But in time growing up, it's always felt like American discrimination was more pointed at blacks while European discrimination was more pointed at Jews. These are the points floating in my head:

* America's bigot-country was the Confederacy, which enslaved blacks but had a Jew in its top echelon. Europe's bigot-country was Nazi Germany.

* Even apart from those countries... in the 1890s, France was having its Dreyfus Affair about the same time Jim Crow laws were holding firm in the American South.

* America moved toward religious freedom before much of Europe. Europe moved toward racial equality before much of America. In general.

* In America, a LOT of us are circumcised at birth, just because. I've spoken with a lot of European... reactionaries who flip their feces at such blatant Jewry.

* In more modern times, a huge chunk of American Protestantism believes Jews are still chosen by God to inherit the holy land of Israel. Related, I believe the "Messianic Jewish" movement is American in origin. This favorable view on Jews has, in recent past, influenced our conservative Christian elements. Which connects to...

* Our American bigotry against Arabs and Muslims naturally plays into our support for Israel and Jews.

* Maybe it's a Southern sectionalism thing, but I've grown up where the stereotype of "filthy Jewish banker" is more likely to be "filthy New York banker" or maybe just "filthy Yankee". Can any other Southerner confirm that's been the bigotry more commonly seen? Maybe it's just a local thing.


These things have built up in my life experience to the point that, yes, I was surprised to hear the Charlottesville rightists were chanting antisemitic phrases - of all things.

Who are the dirty European infiltrators who snuck into our nation and warped our ordinary, American-apple-pie bigotry into some twisted, inferior facsimile of their own?!

EDIT: Frankly, I blame globalism.
Why do you think antisemitism is returning?
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Oh, look, a fucking attempted lynching went down in New Hampshire.
http://news.sky.com/story/protest-af...agers-11033572
How much do you want to bet the guys that did it will get off because they're 'just kids'?
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Would work if they weren't white.
Based on what? Studies show they always see black kids as older and less innocent

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Based on the media denying non-white thieves aren't looters.
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Based on the media denying non-white thieves aren't looters.
So the whole discussion on looting vs scavenging and people needing to not starve in disaster areas being lumped in with those going after flatscreens, and the fake twitter tag, none of that factors in for you?

Edit: hell this started with media criticizing media, so it's hardly the monolith of media denying black people be held accountable that you're making it out to be
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Why do you think antisemitism is returning?
1) Before I answer, I have to confirm that we've always had some level of antisemitism in America.

2) I also have to confirm I have no valuable information and am just guessing.


But that being said? I think there's an interaction between historically European and historically American reactionary elements, and the former is impacting the latter more than I realized.

(I also suspect that modern American Protestantism is gradually becoming less influential on American Conservatives, with secondary effects such as a decrease in support for zionism on religious-moral grounds.)

EDIT: Oh, plus the recent surge in ISOLATIONISM. Isolationism allows us to write off the entire Middle East as not-my-interest, so that a natural hatred for Arabs and Muslims will no longer dictate a natural affinity for Jews and Israel.

EDIT EDIT: Maybe also, our juvenile entertainment used to be shows like Rugrats and The Simpsons (moderate Jewish atmosphere), and now they are shows like Family Guy (not as much)?

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I think you may have skipped a step here.
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