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Old 01-11-2018, 01:55 PM
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It seems to me that a mob may be made up of multiple mobs, and if one of those has inordinate power then that's a problem.
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True, Mob Rule is probably the wrong term, but it was a tide of reactionary resentment.
Yes. It was. And it will be reactionary resentment that will get the Democrats a win, of they manage to win.
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Old 01-11-2018, 04:05 PM
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You may like mob rule, but the founding fathers disagreed. Vehemently. That's why the United States isn't a Democracy.
That's why they invented the electoral college, sure. Contrary to conservative belief, the purpose of it was not to be exploited by haters of freedom and democracy via gerrymandering (which republicans have been found guilty of doing numerous times).
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:01 PM
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That's why they invented the electoral college, sure. Contrary to conservative belief, the purpose of it was not to be exploited by haters of freedom and democracy via gerrymandering (which republicans have been found guilty of doing numerous times).
Absolutely right.

Democrats should stop hating freedom and stop embracing mob rule. They might to do better with rational thinkers.
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:21 PM
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Absolutely right.

Democrats should stop hating freedom and stop embracing mob rule. They might to do better with rational thinkers.
I'd take "mob rule" like Senate elections over Russian-esque election rigging.
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:45 PM
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I'd take "mob rule" like Senate elections over Russian-esque election rigging.
Whelp, after millions in bonuses, South Korea openly thanking Trump for his help with North Korea, Walmart giving raises, the lowest national black unemployment rate in the history of the nation, nearly the lowest Hispanic, increased deportations of illegal immigrants, leaning on Congress to make laws instead of turning a blind eye towards pet projects, the fall of ISIS, and a massive surge in the economy......

I'm thinking you'll take another 7 years of Trump.
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Absolutely right.

Democrats should stop hating freedom and stop embracing mob rule. They might to do better with rational thinkers.
So you're suggesting gerrymandering is a Left-wing tool?

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Whelp, after millions in bonuses, South Korea openly thanking Trump for his help with North Korea, Walmart giving raises, the lowest national black unemployment rate in the history of the nation, nearly the lowest Hispanic, increased deportations of illegal immigrants, leaning on Congress to make laws instead of turning a blind eye towards pet projects, the fall of ISIS, and a massive surge in the economy......

I'm thinking you'll take another 7 years of Trump.
And ignoring the actual president in your assessment of his regime?
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:19 PM
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So you're suggesting gerrymandering is a Left-wing tool?
It's a political tool, period.

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Yes, totally a regime. You can tell by the all the military personnel marching on U.S. citizens.

But, no. I'm not ignoring that Trump is an asshole.

I just find an asshole better than people who bring in an unlicensed "professional" to "diagnose" a patient without examining them, and start talking about overthrowing an elected official.
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Old 01-12-2018, 04:59 AM
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Yes, totally a regime.
Does the word "regime" mean something else in the US than it does the rest of the world?

Or are you being snide, making the point that the White House is currently without a regime, and is being run by kindergartners? Because if so I agree.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:05 AM
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You may like mob rule, but the founding fathers disagreed. Vehemently. That's why the United States isn't a Democracy. But then, democrats know that, and they are all about undermining the foundation of Freedom that America was built upon.
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Democrats should stop hating freedom and stop embracing mob rule. They might to do better with rational thinkers.
/slowclap You truly take (bull)shitposting to an art form that knows no bounds.
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:38 AM
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/slowclap You truly take (bull)shitposting to an art form that knows no bounds.
I assume that you don't mean the Founding Fathers hating democracy as the shitposting, because that's a historically well known fact. Two wolves and a sheep discussing what is for dinner, and what not.

Just the Democrat part, in which case I'll point you to Kak, who says the same thing with sides flipped, and then tell you to check your biases.

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Old 01-12-2018, 11:03 AM
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Whelp, after millions in bonuses, South Korea openly thanking Trump for his help with North Korea, Walmart giving raises, the lowest national black unemployment rate in the history of the nation, nearly the lowest Hispanic, increased deportations of illegal immigrants, leaning on Congress to make laws instead of turning a blind eye towards pet projects, the fall of ISIS, and a massive surge in the economy......

I'm thinking you'll take another 7 years of Trump.
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Thank you, but I have some concerns.


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https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...23848001/While paying a one-time bonus of $1,000 is generous, a better approach would be for employers to deliver more permanent pay increases to workers, says Garrett Oakley, a certified financial planner at Betterment, an online investment site that provides so-called robo-advisory services.

"Something more permanent like increasing wages or increasing the 401(k) match," Oakley says, is a better way to "boost the long-term savings" of employees.
Not all companies are making longterm adjustments or benefits, this feels like a way to pad people short term to make them happy about the cuts without ensuring they reap longterm benefits.


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Mr. Moon’s comments and his conversation with Mr. Trump suggested a tactful maneuver by the South Korean leader to stroke the ego of Mr. Trump, who has claimed credit for the inter-Korean dialogue, while easing fears in Washington and among his conservative critics at home that in his eagerness for dialogue, he may be too accommodating to North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un.
So it looks like this is "working" But he's been a vocal critic of the militaristic approach Trump's been taking so far, so he may just be padding Trump's ego.

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Walmart's workers will soon reap the benefits of the recent tax law changes, as the world's largest private employer raises its starting wage, creates new benefits and distributes bonuses to eligible workers.

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Meanwhile, the company will take a separate charge as it shutters more than 60 of its wholesale Sam's Club stores across the country.
So Wallmart is making upgrades to some of the benefits and pay that look longterm, that's awesome, but the closing of Sams Club stores make me concerned.

Both articles basically credit the growth of the economy, so while Trump deserves 'credit' in the sense that cutting taxes and regulations has helped the economy, he's not actually made any specific programs or policies regarding unemployment that have helped, moreover there's the fact that cutting taxes and regulations tends to create short term growth at long term expense, so this isn't exactly surprising.

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Though born of a Democratic administration, the Cole Memo was framed through the lens of states’ rights. Why then, has a Republican administration opted to nullify a policy so directly aligned with one of the GOP’s staunchest principles? Especially when Donald Trump repeatedly affirmed that he would leave marijuana “up to the states” while on the campaign trail.
Sessions is Trump's VP and he's the one trying to make it illegal again so I'm not sure how you can credit Trump with this?


Nothing here makes a direct connection to US forces or Trumps policy, moreover the issue in the Middle East was never really whether we could blow up the terrorists it's whether we can drive out extremists and not radicalize the other people who live there by killing civilians and coming across as the evil empire folks make us out to be.


Again, cutting taxes and regulations is great for the economy in the short term, but I'm a bit more concerned about not having taxes to pay for infrastructure repairs across the US.
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Regime in the U.S. "usually" carries with it an authoritarian or Facist bent. Neither of which are, despite the warped views of Leftists, anywhere close to true in the United States.
How many states have been so egregiously gerrymandered that courts have demanded the Democrats in power to redistrict them as opposed to Republicans?

In other news, the US ambassador to Panama has resigned.
"As a junior foreign service officer, I signed an oath to serve faithfully the President and his administration in an apolitical fashion, even when I might not agree with certain policies.
"My instructors made clear that if I believed I could not do that, I would be honour-bound to resign. That time has come,"
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:36 PM
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Not all companies are making longterm adjustments or benefits, this feels like a way to pad people short term to make them happy about the cuts without ensuring they reap longterm benefits.
Yup. It's still better than no bonus and the exact same before. This isn't a single term (or a single president) problem, and it's going to require a cultural shift that places value on employees without driving employers to automate.


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So it looks like this is "working" But he's been a vocal critic of the militaristic approach Trump's been taking so far, so he may just be padding Trump's ego.
"We live in a world with walls, and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns."

That is to say, Trumps approach isn't Ideal. But it's not just up to Trump. In most modern senses, Obama is the more diplomatic of the two, and diplomacy didn't really make headway. Trumps method is. It may not be ideal. It may not even be the preference.

But at the moment, it's looking like it's getting more results than anything else in a long time.

This was also an issue with Bashar al-Assad when he used Nerve gas and Trump authorized the launch of cruise missiles. It was pretty heavily criticized at the time. Even CNN considers it a success, and they are notoriously anti-Trump.

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So Wallmart is making upgrades to some of the benefits and pay that look longterm, that's awesome, but the closing of Sams Club stores make me concerned.
It was really shitty for Walmart to do that the way they did. People deserved more of a warning, and Walmart should absolutely be taken to court over it.

With that being said, them closing the stores itself? If they weren't profitable enough, I don't blame them for closing them.

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Both articles basically credit the growth of the economy, so while Trump deserves 'credit' in the sense that cutting taxes and regulations has helped the economy, he's not actually made any specific programs or policies regarding unemployment that have helped, moreover there's the fact that cutting taxes and regulations tends to create short term growth at long term expense, so this isn't exactly surprising.
While you aren't really wrong, it doesn't really matter for the comment I gave. People (at least most of them) aren't going to remember "why" it was so good, they are just going to remember who it was good under. Or bad under.

The Bush administration being blamed for a crash that is largely (also) the fault of the Clintion administration is the perfect example. And, before it gets said, yes, there was stuff that the Bush administration could have done in hindsight to lessen the blow. But the ball was already rolling. But the Clinton administration is looked at as a financial success, and the Bush one isn't.

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Sessions is Trump's VP and he's the one trying to make it illegal again so I'm not sure how you can credit Trump with this?
Because he also did the same thing with the Dreamer Act. He even specifically called out congress if memory serves. Make a deal or not. It's in your hands. The law itself won't be ignored. So make it so it doesn't have to.

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Nothing here makes a direct connection to US forces or Trumps policy, moreover the issue in the Middle East was never really whether we could blow up the terrorists it's whether we can drive out extremists and not radicalize the other people who live there by killing civilians and coming across as the evil empire folks make us out to be.
He equipped Kurdish fighters and stopped micromanaging the pentagon and gave commanders more authority to do what they wanted.

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Again, cutting taxes and regulations is great for the economy in the short term, but I'm a bit more concerned about not having taxes to pay for infrastructure repairs across the US.
Infrastructure repair is a major concern. I'm interested to see what they have in mind since private sector options didn't/wouldn't have worked out (using Indiana as an example, anyway).
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Silly Trump why would Norwegians want to immigrate to the US when the Scandinavian countries have the highest quality of life in the world with that whole scary socialism thing they got going on.
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Can anyone explain why the president believes people from "shithole" countries need an additional reason to want to come to the US? The question wasn't just about "shithole countries," but "Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?"
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Silly Trump why would Norwegians want to immigrate to the US when the Scandinavian countries have the highest quality of life in the world with that whole scary socialism thing they got going on.
Ikr. To a Norwegian, the US looks like a shithole country. Why would they ever move there?
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:27 PM
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Ikr. To a Norwegian, the US looks like a shithole country. Why would they ever move there?
The UN would agree with you...
http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-p...-racism-743601
Well, some of the hardcore right-wing conservative parts, at least.
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Just the Democrat part, in which case I'll point you to Kak, who says the same thing with sides flipped, and then tell you to check your biases.
Oh, yeah, your bit about Democrats is most definitely masterwork bull-shitposting on your part. You have gone fullblown political idiot relative at a family Thanksgiving Dinner. There are biases and there's your shitposting. Kak is also a shitposter too, which is why I usually have him on ignore.
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Oh, yeah, your bit about Democrats is most definitely masterwork bull-shitposting on your part. You have gone fullblown political idiot relative at a family Thanksgiving Dinner. There are biases and there's your shitposting. Kak is also a shitposter too, which is why I usually have him on ignore.
It's almost like I'm responding to Kak's tongue and cheek shitposting with my own?

Which is why I gave Mutters links and discussion.
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It's almost like I'm responding to Kak's tongue and cheek shitposting with my own?

Which is why I gave Mutters links and discussion.
It's almost like you are both shit posters.
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It's almost like you are both shit posters.
We can be, yes.

Since nobody cares enough to read each others links or discussions, everything we post is a shit post. May as well have fun with it.
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