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Old 07-22-2017, 11:30 AM
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http://www.nj.com/burlington/index.s...a_meeting.html

Fellow airmen and women, don't be late to meetings because of your duty it will end up badly for you.
According to this:

http://www.afjag.af.mil/LinkClick.as...3D&portalid=77

he was only sentenced to a reprimand for being late.

Being demoted, which was separate, can get you kicked out because there is only a certain amount of time you can be a specific rank before you are forced to leave. If you simply don't make promotion too many years in a row you will be removed from service . That time limit applies when you get demoted.

There is probably a paper trail somewhere that isn't being mentioned. We may never know until we get more sides of the story.
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:41 AM
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There is probably a paper trail somewhere that isn't being mentioned. We may never know until we get more sides of the story.
They mention a papertrail in the first article, but the guy claims he only ever got paperwork after trying to complain about things that are never explained.
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Old 07-22-2017, 04:24 PM
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Apparently the Democrats tried to copy Papa Johns when it came to inventing their new slogan:

A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages

I do wonder how they intend to accomplish that?

Are they going to help reform our public schools? They have signaled intention to bail out the $1 trillion in student debt but many of those people with those skills are unable to find good jobs while many trade skilled jobs go unfilled. Not everyone can just work for the government or one of its beneficiaries. What is their plan to make jobs for everyone else? Not everyone works minimum wage and even then raising it eliminates a path for many to earn skills and makes everything more expensive for everyone else.

Maybe they should just stick to the Russia story or social issues? Unless they want to argue that the DoD wasn't starving for resources or that people like General Mattis are not qualified to make military decisions. I am not sure many voters that consider national security a top issue will be on board with that.
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Old 07-23-2017, 12:59 AM
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Unless they want to argue that the DoD wasn't starving for resources
Sorry not being combative here but that statement is beyond ridiculous. If there is one thing on this world that is not starving it'd be your DoD. If NASA had its budget we would already have a ship heading to Alpha Centauri and a human presence in every corner of the Solar system. The size of the US defense budget is literally that crazy.

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Yeah this is something straight out of a dystopia where the well off want the poor to stop existing. Sucks to see the bad future is still on tracks.

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Old 07-23-2017, 03:27 AM
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Yeah this is something straight out of a dystopia where the well off want the poor to stop existing. Sucks to see the bad future is still on tracks.
I think you guys are forgetting the fact it's a choice. A choice given to people that benefits society.
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Old 07-23-2017, 04:55 AM
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I think you guys are forgetting the fact it's a choice. A choice given to people that benefits society.
It still sets a chilling precedent. And at least give those guys 6-12 months off for what amounts to emasculation as punishment.
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Old 07-23-2017, 06:40 AM
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Is it a punishment if you get too choose to do it and gain the reward of early freedom? Negative.
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Old 07-23-2017, 09:47 AM
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Sorry not being combative here but that statement is beyond ridiculous. If there is one thing on this world that is not starving it'd be your DoD. If NASA had its budget we would already have a ship heading to Alpha Centauri and a human presence in every corner of the Solar system. The size of the US defense budget is literally that crazy.
The US spends more on everything due to the scope of its economy. We have a bigger GDP than the EU despite having less people. I meant more in the way of issues with under manning and equipment/training shortfalls because no politician is going to cut back on the mission. Obama and Clinton certainly didn't. A Facebook meme doesn't accurately portray people that are over stressed because of back to back deployments or having to work 60-80 hours a week on a meager salary. Most Americans are opposed to subjecting people to that.

The DoD is heavily tied to NASA. Most of our astronauts have a military background and the DoD can lend out service members as astronauts. The USAF itself has its own space command and space is supposed to be one of its domains. The investment in things like rockets and space communications are shared research areas. A lot of the Aerospace Engineers here at Purdue are going to end up in the defense industry to hone their skills but those skills are directly applicable to NASA's mission. They both compliment each other.

There are some pretty big technological and logistical hurdles for NASA to go out further into space. A manned mission to Mars would take almost two years. Our economy still needs to be strong in the way it has been that allowed us to pay for the Apollo Mission in the first place. We can't have a more tepid economy that produces less because it is more concerned about equal outcomes and a centralized body helping determining who gets to be rich. Our society needs to focus on things that actually help with space exploration in the STEM fields. Defense doesn't have to be sacrificed in order to accomplish any of that when our government wastes so much money on non-essential purposes or hurts our economy with a convoluted and uneven tax system and sub-optimal regulatory burden. Some people would just rather have a weaker economy and a stronger government to control that economy than a stronger economy and a weaker government with less control.
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Old 07-23-2017, 11:01 AM
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The DoD not spending it wisely doesn't mean they don't have a lot of money.
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Old 07-23-2017, 11:16 AM
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The DoD not spending it wisely doesn't mean they don't have a lot of money.
All government agencies has a certain degree of waste, including NASA. I rather cut back on non-essential government functions and their assorted waste so it becomes easier to manage the DoD and some of its budget issues. The government is just too massive to control. Despite the cries of DoD waste neither Clinton or Obama decided to go after that waste during their budget draw downs. Instead it went towards readiness and things that directly impact the troops. It really makes you question whether or not the waste is as big as they suggest it is or it is just a guilt free way to spend the money on priorities that help their political ambitions more without accepting the reality of the decision.

A lot of even wealthy European nations can't carry out any sort of operation without the help of the US. They lack critical mission functions like ISR and air-to-air refueling. I think there is a great ignorance among the civilians of those countries regarding the shape of their defense departments. Instead of understanding what defense does or how it spends money they will simply always believe it needs less, especially when believing that means they can spend it on other things. I think defense is a critical function of the government. It is non-excludable and non-rivalrous. Politically the cost it takes to support a service member in Afghanistan may win you a few votes but it isn't as much votes as you can get if you spent that money closer to home on government made jobs or special favors. I think it is a cultural failure when people see government spending as a source of their livelihood and thus other sources of funding are competitors. People should see the economy as expandable and want to create their own wealth instead of fighting over a dwindling pie. When they do the essential functions of government and the private sector suffers when the government shifts that money to support their political ambitions.
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Old 07-23-2017, 11:47 AM
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I don't know how to explain to you why eugenics programs encouraging the sterilisation of "undesirables" is a bad idea.
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Old 07-23-2017, 05:17 PM
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I don't know how to explain to you why eugenics programs encouraging the sterilisation of "undesirables" is a bad idea.
Ehh. It's not sterilization. Again, it's a fairly easy process to reverse, it just costs money. I don't like it, but address it as it is.
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Old 07-23-2017, 05:34 PM
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Ehh. It's not sterilization. Again, it's a fairly easy process to reverse, it just costs money. I don't like it, but address it as it is.
Vasectomies are generally considered permanent. If you get it reversed within something like 3 years (for like $10,000), you have about a 50% chance of a successful reversal. The odds get worse from there.
Thankfully, insurance might cover it if you're very lucky, and you'll be glad to hear it only costs $12 a year!

In other news, it looks like scientists have gotten so frustrated with fact-hating Republicans that they're starting to run for office themselves.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-change-240852
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While Berkeley continues its fascist ways at infringing on people's 1st Amendment vigilante style another California university is actually punishing students for infringing on freedom of speech. Not sure if it is good enough.

Some may argue that freedom of speech was only important until we got to the point that these students got to where they understand how the entire universe works and any challenge to that assertion is harmful to human progress. This guy offers a better perspective.


A lot people have beliefs but they don't understand why they have them. When they are challenge they tense up because they hold them in a shallow way. Having to justify or defend them helps invigorate your views and make them better. That is only the worst case scenario where they are objectively wrong. There could be some nuance here and something for them to learn from. There is little harm either way.
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Apparently the president is now telling groups of children "Obamacare is death" and how he ruined the country for "seventeen(sic) years."
https://news.vice.com/story/trump-te...acare-is-death
"It seems very close to indoctrination"
"Just when you think this administration can't get any more surreal and Orwellian, here they come to indoctrinate our kids"
"The left has always used kids in public schools as guinea pigs and as junior lobbyists for their social liberal agenda"
Oh, wait, those quotes were actually about when Obama encouraged kids to make videos encouraging other kids to stay in school.
https://www.mediamatters.org/researc...trinati/154180

I can only assume they're absolutely livid about this. I'm sure Hannity will fly off the handle any day now.
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PJ, sometimes these "university X won't let person Y speak" scenarios are not about "evul fascist universities infringing upon my free speech!," but are often procedural and policy issues. Sometimes speakers requested by right and left-wing groups are denied on the basis of the group making demands on the university that don't comply with university policies. And sometimes they are denied on the basis of campus safety. It sounds from the link that the university has not been able to find an acceptable venue that meets the demands of the right wing group and they are pitching a fit over it. This is not the statement of a fascist university:
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"We want Ben Shapiro to speak on campus. We are confident we can make this work," Mogulof said. "But we have to sit down together."
Also, Learn Liberty is produced by a libertarian think-tank, so I would take their videos - even if there are nuggets of good ideas - with a grain of salt.
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PJ, sometimes these "university X won't let person Y speak" scenarios are not about "evul fascist universities infringing upon my free speech!," but are often procedural and policy issues. Sometimes speakers requested by right and left-wing groups are denied on the basis of the group making demands on the university that don't comply with university policies. And sometimes they are denied on the basis of campus safety. It sounds from the link that the university has not been able to find an acceptable venue that meets the demands of the right wing group and they are pitching a fit over it. This is not the statement of a fascist university:

Also, Learn Liberty is produced by a libertarian think-tank, so I would take their videos - even if there are nuggets of good ideas - with a grain of salt.
It is about the protests and violence that is making them unsafe and disruptive. If the university can't promise them security then that is their fault and the federal government should assist but sending in the National Guard just like Eisenhower had to in the past for segregation. After the last two canceled speakers I don't have that much faith in the milquetoast response but we can see how the lawsuit goes. The second university punished some people but it only ended up being a very small amount. Not enough to deter future infringements on ideological diversity and exercises of the 1st Amendment. The second university was just mad about a pro-police speech.

Learn Liberty doesn't hide the fact that they are libertarian. It is the economic perspective of business owners and entrepreneurs. It is more useful than the belief that they are all greedy and just want money because it shows they have good intentions and solid reasoning behind what they want. Nothing they said requires any sort of trust or faith because they aren't making unverified claims. It is just philosophical musing. The clip is just a piece of a much longer interview by Dave Rubin who was a progressive that evolved into a more classical liberal. The view to support freedom of expression shouldn't be controversial. It is far more inclusive than the unwelcoming environment you see at these protests whenever a speaker challenges the views of the protesters. It is something a lot of people can relate to when they feel shouted down or berated when they share an idea that goes against what some of these other people were taught to think.
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Genesis, you have to understand why that isnt, on its own, a valid reason anymore.

Colleges have demanded conservative speakers provide their own security. Colleges have told speakers "they want to find the right venue", and then moved dates back to make tje speach take place during times wjen nobody was on campus, and on top of that, its in a room that isnt ideal.

I cant speak on this particular instant. And while yes, addressing those issues have been a concern, theyve also been abused
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