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Old 06-14-2012, 03:50 PM
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What about a CoT Battleground? Or a Scenario?
I could maybe see like, say, the battle of Southshore in WC2 as a BG. It may end up being something like Strand of the Ancients, though, I dunno.

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I guess what I'm imagining is slightly different than the Caverns of Time. What I'm imagining is a sort of "Danger Room", where you can experience major Warcraft events from the WoW gameplay perspective.

The assassination of Medivh, for example. That is arguably the most iconomic moment of the original Warcraft game, being described in the Warcraft II manual, reenacted on-screen during Warcraft III, and expanded in other media to define the roles of the three heroes who made it happen. In fact, if you made Lothar the tank and skewed things so that either Khadgar or Garona were the healer and made the other one damager, then you'd have a standard three-man raid format.

Maybe have it so that you'd get to keep the experience from these events and the non-iconic loot.
There are some incidents in the Caverns where this happens, to an extent. You don't play as the heroes like you mentioned in the first post, but they do participate in the battles. Arthas in Culling of Stratholme is a DPS (I think? He may be a second tank), and Illidan in War of the Ancients tanks Mannoroth while you burn him down.

But then there are dungeons where the major characters aren't really big players, like Battle of Mount Hyjal. Jaina, Thrall, and Tyrande just kind of stand there.

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Old 06-14-2012, 04:20 PM
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But then there are dungeons where the major characters aren't really big players, like Battle of Mount Hyjal. Jaina, Thrall, and Tyrande just kind of stand there.
If you didn't pull the the npcs in to help during boss fights you were doing it wrong (those tauren in the Horde camp did amazing damage) we actually wiped a couple of times on Azgalor due to Thralls inability to move out of the fire.
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:28 PM
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If you didn't pull the the npcs in to help during boss fights you were doing it wrong (those tauren in the Horde camp did amazing damage) we actually wiped a couple of times on Azgalor due to Thralls inability to move out of the fire.
Oh of course the unit NPCs help, but I've never noticed the major characters do anything.
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:48 PM
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I wish they added "By Demons Be Driven" as a CoT instance. It would even fit into the current expansion, as a way to fit into the Hellscreams and their storylines. All Alliance races and Blood Elves would get transformed into Orcs and help take down Grom's corrupted commanders, free Varok Saurfang, then take down Grom, kill an infinite dragon who tries to stop Thrall from purifying him, and finally defeat Mannoroth, allowing Grom to kill him.
On a personal basis I'd like it if Grom were to actually survive the encounter thanks to the players helping out... and thus the bronze dragons have to task the players to kill him, after which the bronze dragons mind wipe thrall (again) so he thinks Grom died battling Mannoroth.
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:25 AM
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Here's another Tomb of Sargeras: Something is making Gul'dan more successful than he should have been historically. Your quest is to make sure he dies in that tomb, instead of accidentally triggering the Burning Legion 20+ years early.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:33 AM
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Depending of how Fall of Theramore is handled I'd like to see a "Fall of Quel'thalas" scenario from the High Elven side. Maybe it could be a dual scenario with the Scourge side too. Horde's would get Scourge first by finishing it they would unlock the Thalassian scenario and the Alliance would get the Thalassian scenario first because that would further my "Redeem Sylvanas" agenda
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:40 AM
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Zaelsino, the Fall of Silvermoon instance needs to have this guy in it as a fourth boss! Or as a miniboss, depending.
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:54 AM
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Would love it if we get to accompany Lothar in a Fall of Stormwind CoT dungeon.
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:25 AM
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I would guess they're not going to do any more CoT instances where the Infinite Flight is trying to screw things up, since we just took out the head honcho (Murozond, a.k.a. Bad Noz) in End Time. I think. That's all really confusing.

My impression is that we got rid of the Infinite Dragonflight once and for all there, or at least its leader. Not to say there aren't others left or that Nozzy won't become Murozond anyway. Along that line of thought, the only chance for future CoT instances would be like the Hyjal raid, where you just help figureheads who succeeded in seemingly impossible situations, making the stories a little more believable.

By the way, Jaina definitely helped on Rage Winterchill and Anetheron (look at that badass spirit buff ), and Thrall went nuts with the Doomhammer on Kaz'rogal and Azgalor. Tyrande indirectly helps by giving the players some fancy drugs to help them hold off Archimonde as long as possible while Malfy gets ready for his big moment by polishing his horn (no double meaning intended, or is it?).

Also, the raid through Stormwind with Lothar sounds incredibly badass and I would love if that was implemented.
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:30 AM
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Also, the raid through Stormwind with Lothar sounds incredibly badass and I would love if that was implemented.
You'd have to be fleeing Stormwind, right? If you want to be on the winning side, it'd have to be with Doomhammer.
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:36 AM
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You'd have to be fleeing Stormwind, right? If you want to be on the winning side, it'd have to be with Doomhammer.
Yeah, I was referencing Reignac's entire post. You'd only be with Lothar, and you'd be helping him get through the city to save the King, then retreat to the docks with Varian. You'd basically stay behind to fight Doomhammer as Lothar sails off with the refugees, and your actions would assure that he gets away. You're not necessarily on the winning side, you just get to participate in an old event, while making it more believable that it actually happened, similar to Hyjal and Well of Eternity where you're just a group of soldiers in the army that happens to be assisting at the scene of major events. You're remembered only as soldiers.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:22 AM
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Zaelsino, the Fall of Silvermoon instance needs to have this guy in it as a fourth boss! Or as a miniboss, depending.
Oh yeah, what perfect fodder. It would be deliciously amusing to see his downfall from the other side.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:47 AM
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Oh yeah, what perfect fodder. It would be deliciously amusing to see his downfall from the other side.
If you did fall of Silvermoon, then you could kill High Elf Sylvanas Windrunner.
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