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Old 08-19-2015, 05:36 AM
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:42 AM
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You mean the Joe Schmoe Azerothian armsman who got turned into the last descendent of the Emperor of Humankind and then treated as the Titans' greatest gift to mankind and elfkind?

It's about as significant as a European noble (or just about any European for that matter) bragging about descent from Charlemagne. "Oh, yeah? Who isn't?"

People give Varian Wrynn a lot of shit for the High King ass-pull, but, in retrospect, that precedent ship had long since sailed with Anduin Lothar's silly Arathi claims in Warcraft 2.
Well let's be fair. In Warcraft II, he was just Joe Schmoe Azerothian armsman without any of those imperial lineage claims. He led because he was there, not because he had a birthright to it.

No... in Warcraft II he was just a boring guy who came off a little stupid for trying to parley with Doomhammer. There was nothing WRONG with him, but nothing spectacular either. Similar case with Uther Lightbringer. They were just guys.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:10 AM
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I said RTS Lothar. Obviously that junk about him being the last Arathi doesn't apply to him.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:34 AM
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Well let's be fair. In Warcraft II, he was just Joe Schmoe Azerothian armsman without any of those imperial lineage claims. He led because he was there, not because he had a birthright to it.

No... in Warcraft II he was just a boring guy who came off a little stupid for trying to parley with Doomhammer. There was nothing WRONG with him, but nothing spectacular either. Similar case with Uther Lightbringer. They were just guys.
I would say that nothing was wrong even after they added that detail. It is not that they tried to make Lothar into Aragorn with that, as it was just a little detail nobody truly cared about and had no consequences on the standing of Lothar. Well, with the exception of it being one of the reasons why he was appointed as Supreme Commander, but that came far later than the detail itself, in the ToD novel. Which is honestly pretty telling, as we know what kind of work that is. I really hope that Chronicle will retcon the shit out of it.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:39 AM
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Well, with the exception of it being one of the reasons why he was appointed as Supreme Commander, but that came far later than the detail itself, in the ToD novel.
I thought Lothar's Arathor lineage was also introduced in the novel. Was it a part of lore earlier than that?
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:47 AM
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I thought Lothar's Arathor lineage was also introduced in the novel. Was it a part of lore earlier than that?
Yes. First mention of it was in some magazine from 2002? Not sure, would have to check it. But it was also included in the World of Warcraft history page/in-game books, which was from 2004. My personal theory is that they made Lothar the last of the Arathi the moment they made Arathor, as both of these things appeared at approx. same time.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:51 AM
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I would say that nothing was wrong even after they added that detail. It is not that they tried to make Lothar into Aragorn with that, as it was just a little detail nobody truly cared about and had no consequences on the standing of Lothar. Well, with the exception of it being one of the reasons why he was appointed as Supreme Commander, but that came far later than the detail itself, in the ToD novel. Which is honestly pretty telling, as we know what kind of work that is. I really hope that Chronicle will retcon the shit out of it.
As far as I remember, Lothar's lineage was hardly even one of the reason he got appointed; more like a ceremonial justification after the fact. Under the political circumstances, he would probably have been appointed regardless of his heritage, and Terenas would have found one reason or another to appease the other kings.

I like Aragorn's Numenorean bloodline stuff anyway, though it doesn't work as well in the Warcraft universe.

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Old 08-19-2015, 06:57 AM
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As far as I remember, Lothar's lineage was hardly even one of the reason he got appointed; more like a ceremonial justification after the fact. Under the political circumstances, he would probably have been appointed regardless of his heritage, and Terenas would have found one reason or another to appease the other kings.

I like Aragorn's Numenorean bloodline stuff anyway, though it doesn't work as well in the Warcraft universe.
Well, to me, it appeared as some kings would not just accept him without that. But that might just be my impression.

Anyway, I like Aragorn and his story. Because it is the original (within confines of the fantasy genre). But I dislike it elsewhere (with some exceptions of course) as it has been repeated to death.
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:05 AM
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Thargas Anvilmar, though. He should unite the Dwarves.
Nah, I remember him as "Dwarven Lothar".

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You mean the Joe Schmoe Azerothian armsman who got turned into the last descendent of the Emperor of Humankind and then treated as the Titans' greatest gift to mankind and elfkind?

It's about as significant as a European noble (or just about any European for that matter) bragging about descent from Charlemagne. "Oh, yeah? Who isn't?"

People give Varian Wrynn a lot of shit for the High King ass-pull, but, in retrospect, that precedent ship had long since sailed with Anduin Lothar's silly Arathi claims in Warcraft 2.
Which is why I think he's talking not about the "Arathi Tribe" (whose decendants would be all around Stromgarde), but the "Arathi Dynasty", which indeed could have noble-only (or incestual) means of passing on their bloodline.
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:11 AM
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:18 AM
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Legend says he's still traveling to Orgrimmar.
...I totally thought one of these grunt quest guys appeared in RazorHill.

EDIT: Wait, yes! That was Gar'Thok!
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:32 PM
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Well let's be fair. In Warcraft II, he was just Joe Schmoe Azerothian armsman without any of those imperial lineage claims. He led because he was there, not because he had a birthright to it.

No... in Warcraft II he was just a boring guy who came off a little stupid for trying to parley with Doomhammer. There was nothing WRONG with him, but nothing spectacular either. Similar case with Uther Lightbringer. They were just guys.
Has that terrible ToD truly tainted my memory of Warcraft II that badly? For shame! Why couldn't that book just never have been?

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Which is why I think he's talking not about the "Arathi Tribe" (whose decendants would be all around Stromgarde), but the "Arathi Dynasty", which indeed could have noble-only (or incestual) means of passing on their bloodline.
If only there was a nation that had the descendants of a bunch of Arathi nobles... like Lordaeron...
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:37 PM
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:41 PM
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Mathogg

Legend says he's still traveling to Orgrimmar.
Mathogg's always a great excuse to fanon up a new clan, or have one of the old ones still be present in the new horde.

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If only there was a nation that had the descendants of a bunch of Arathi nobles... like Lordaeron...
Obviously, the Arathi sons only intermarried matrilineally with lesser noble dynasties.
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Old 08-20-2015, 04:41 AM
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If only there was a nation that had the descendants of a bunch of Arathi nobles... like Lordaeron...
Exactly, nobles, but not the main Thoradin's dynasty to whom Quel'Thalas owed a debt.

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Mathogg's always a great excuse to fanon up a new clan, or have one of the old ones still be present in the new horde.
Wasn't it Gar'Thok the one with an unnamed clan?
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Old 08-20-2015, 05:06 AM
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Wasn't it Gar'Thok the one with an unnamed clan?
No, Gar'thok was the guy in the outpost that was killed by Tirasian sailors while Rexxar was doing an ethnic purge of the local quilboar.
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Old 08-20-2015, 05:11 AM
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No, Gar'thok was the guy in the outpost that was killed by Tirasian sailors while Rexxar was doing an ethnic purge of the local quilboar.
No he survived, and in fact he was the leader of Razor Hill in Vanilla WoW through Mists of Pandaria.
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Old 08-20-2015, 05:23 AM
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No he survived, and in fact he was the leader of Razor Hill in Vanilla WoW through Mists of Pandaria.
I meant the outpost was killed. Gar'thok survived.
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Old 08-20-2015, 05:24 AM
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I meant the outpost was killed. Gar'thok survived.
Only night elf and naga outposts get killed.
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Old 08-20-2015, 05:31 AM
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Only night elf and naga outposts get killed.
The outpost you cross to get to the goblin observatory -_-.
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The outpost you cross to get to the goblin observatory -_-.
But it wasn't alive!
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Old 08-20-2015, 06:51 AM
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Old 08-20-2015, 06:57 AM
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Is Darkness finally gonna show up in Legion?
Maybe Illidan is like Dexter Morgan and 'darkness' refers to his Dark Passenger?

Apparently the D3 Demon Hunter has it too.
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Old 08-20-2015, 07:30 AM
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Also, Oronok Torn-Heart and his sons.
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Old 08-20-2015, 07:39 AM
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Maybe Illidan is like Dexter Morgan and 'darkness' refers to his Dark Passenger?

Apparently the D3 Demon Hunter has it too.
Does that make Gul'dan his Harry?
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