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Old 06-28-2016, 02:26 PM
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Since when was I a MRA? You bunch seem to figure that calling out feminists makes you a MRA.

Do you all deny that women ultimately don't have an edge over men in feminist friendly nations?
An edge for what?
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Old 06-28-2016, 03:21 PM
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An edge for what?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27...ovement#Issues

Even Wikipedia's users acknowledge them.
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Old 06-28-2016, 03:37 PM
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What about equality before the law?
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Old 06-28-2016, 03:55 PM
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What about equality before the law?
That seems to be one of their issues, yes.
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Old 06-28-2016, 04:07 PM
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That seems to be one of their issues, yes.
I get that people are treated differently for superficial reasons. It isn't like men never have an advantage in that regard. People may want to protect, love, and take care of me more but it can be harder to be taken seriously and respected more. If we went and tried to legislate against all of these institutional discrepancies it would never end. It would become a race to the bottom victim contest. Who ever can skew and justify their victimisation the most would get the most government support and win.

I think as long as the law doesn't distinguish between men and women it is the best we can do. It isn't like men need a female escort or can't vote.
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Old 06-28-2016, 04:31 PM
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There are several areas where men do indeed get screwed over by the law: divorce and custody are the most glaring. These are legitimate grievances, and I wish we had more credible advocates for them.

But the cause of men's rights has been buried under RedPill types, PUAs, and retrograde sexists. Thus, MRAs will remain at the margins, embittered and useless. In this sense they are a lot like the social justice zealots they oppose.
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Old 06-28-2016, 04:38 PM
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There are several areas where men do indeed get screwed over by the law: divorce and custody are the most glaring. These are legitimate grievances, and I wish we had more credible advocates for them.

But the cause of men's rights has been buried under RedPill types, PUAs, and retrograde sexists. Thus, MRAs will remain at the margins, embittered and useless. In this sense they are a lot like the social justice zealots they oppose.
My father lost custody and I was upset. It isn't just a male problem.

I am just terrified of the legislating against some of those things. If affirmative action quotas and discrimination legislation has had the impact it has the other way around then we don't need it! I don't want men to feel they are in competition with me like that. It is depressing.
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Old 06-29-2016, 07:21 AM
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There are several areas where men do indeed get screwed over by the law: divorce and custody are the most glaring. These are legitimate grievances, and I wish we had more credible advocates for them.

But the cause of men's rights has been buried under RedPill types, PUAs, and retrograde sexists. Thus, MRAs will remain at the margins, embittered and useless. In this sense they are a lot like the social justice zealots they oppose.
In the realm of childcare and responsibility? That's rough. It's going to be hard to reach equilibrium here because mother nature is still sexist - women are still the ones who get pregnant and give birth.

Well, cisgender women.
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Old 06-29-2016, 09:48 AM
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In the realm of childcare and responsibility? That's rough. It's going to be hard to reach equilibrium here because mother nature is still sexist - women are still the ones who get pregnant and give birth.

Well, cisgender women.
There should be measures in place to prevent cases where the child goes to the woman by default. Some people are absolutely not fit to be parents. PJ has even said that she'd have been better off with her dad.

Likewise, it shouldn't be as easy to utterly screw over a husband in divorce. Does alimony need to be so high?

But I've visited a few MRA sites, and you usually don't see much discussion about this. You mostly see venting, and people nurturing their bitterness. I'm sure there are places out there that do talk about actual issues and how to address them, but they've been drowned out by the dross.

This is why social and political causes need to be absolutely ruthless in excluding the morons. Otherwise the morons take over.
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Old 06-29-2016, 01:56 PM
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This is why social and political causes need to be absolutely ruthless in excluding the morons. Otherwise the morons take over.
I'm not sure I can disagree, but... In order to exclude morons they must first be identified. In order to identify someone must discriminate (using the technical denotation; 'to judge/tell the difference').

And who is to be trusted with that? Gets kinda Captain America: Winter Soldier if you ask me.
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Old 06-30-2016, 02:24 AM
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Old 06-30-2016, 02:56 AM
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Gorillas are strong and they beat people up for little reason.
My question still stands. The absolute majority of people on the globe worship the perception of strength. From the lowly follower of a bully, to the law enforcement fearing citizen, to the army loving patriot and finally to the women that seek a man to make them "feel safe and protected". It's all "worship of the perception of strength". Destron sneered and arrogantly looked down on all of these people for the great blasphemy of being humans when he's most likely the same.
I've always been a rebel, picking fights with the jocks and the bullies, challenging authority. But I still accept reality of the importance of the perception of strength and how it governs and moves people. Which is why a strong leader is important, not for myself as I'm quite indifferent but for the greater majority.
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Old 06-30-2016, 06:45 AM
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There are several areas where men do indeed get screwed over by the law: divorce and custody are the most glaring. These are legitimate grievances, and I wish we had more credible advocates for them.

But the cause of men's rights has been buried under RedPill types, PUAs, and retrograde sexists. Thus, MRAs will remain at the margins, embittered and useless. In this sense they are a lot like the social justice zealots they oppose.
I think the accusation from what advocates exist is that rather than being in bed with those more unsavoury types, they've been the target of a smear campaign by people trying to delegitimize them. Which, considering every time they try to organize anything, people show up en masse in order to protest them (the example of that Toronto conference facing threats, harassment, fire alarm pulling, etc. comes to mind), isn't an unreasonable reaction on their part.
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Old 06-30-2016, 09:23 AM
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Old 06-30-2016, 09:45 AM
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Women tend to be more comfortable with women being in charge than men are with women.
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Old 06-30-2016, 09:58 AM
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Old 06-30-2016, 10:22 AM
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My question still stands. The absolute majority of people on the globe worship the perception of strength. From the lowly follower of a bully, to the law enforcement fearing citizen, to the army loving patriot and finally to the women that seek a man to make them "feel safe and protected". It's all "worship of the perception of strength". Destron sneered and arrogantly looked down on all of these people for the great blasphemy of being humans when he's most likely the same.
I've always been a rebel, picking fights with the jocks and the bullies, challenging authority. But I still accept reality of the importance of the perception of strength and how it governs and moves people. Which is why a strong leader is important, not for myself as I'm quite indifferent but for the greater majority.
People who see the police or the army in the "strong bully" position are generally not the ones who respect/worship them the most.

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Old 06-30-2016, 05:15 PM
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People who see the police or the army in the "strong bully" position are generally not the ones who respect/worship them the most.

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Old 06-30-2016, 05:38 PM
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My question still stands. The absolute majority of people on the globe worship the perception of strength. From the lowly follower of a bully, to the law enforcement fearing citizen, to the army loving patriot and finally to the women that seek a man to make them "feel safe and protected". It's all "worship of the perception of strength". Destron sneered and arrogantly looked down on all of these people for the great blasphemy of being humans when he's most likely the same.
I've always been a rebel, picking fights with the jocks and the bullies, challenging authority. But I still accept reality of the importance of the perception of strength and how it governs and moves people. Which is why a strong leader is important, not for myself as I'm quite indifferent but for the greater majority.
I'm probably not the most impartial judge, but your talk about how 'I'm a rebel who picks fights with bullies and that makes me special because everyone else follows whoever they think is strongest' strikes me as tremendously more condescending and absurd than Destron's "Losers tend to worship those who give off the perception of strength."

I mean, you claim that the "vast majority of people on the globe" possess a particular flaw, and that although Destron is "most likely the same," you, golden-haired ubermensch that you perceive yourself to be, are special because you're a rebel who picks fights with bullies and challenges authority.

Well, la dee da. Honestly, listen to yourself sometime.
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Old 06-30-2016, 06:53 PM
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I mean, you claim that the "vast majority of people on the globe" possess a particular flaw, and that although Destron is "most likely the same," you, golden-haired ubermensch that you perceive yourself to be, are special because you're a rebel who picks fights with bullies and challenges authority.
Ah, so I wasn't the only one to get a "second-year student on a Nietzsche kick" vibe from that post.
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Ah, so I wasn't the only one to get a "second-year student on a Nietzsche kick" vibe from that post.
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What a waste of a great character in Bruce Banner / Hulk.

The goods news is his lines were so good he pretty much decimated the hour long extended verse they idiotically gave Jenner at the end to tilt it.
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I'm honestly disappointed that ERB actually pandered. One thing I've always liked about them is that they never seemed to pull their punches with any celebrity/character. In this one it kinda looks like they were holding Bruce/Hulk back and tried to overcompensate for Jenner's weak rap by giving him/her more lines.
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Old 07-01-2016, 02:31 AM
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I'm probably not the most impartial judge, but your talk about how 'I'm a rebel who picks fights with bullies and that makes me special because everyone else follows whoever they think is strongest' strikes me as tremendously more condescending and absurd than Destron's "Losers tend to worship those who give off the perception of strength."

I mean, you claim that the "vast majority of people on the globe" possess a particular flaw, and that although Destron is "most likely the same," you, golden-haired ubermensch that you perceive yourself to be, are special because you're a rebel who picks fights with bullies and challenges authority.

Well, la dee da. Honestly, listen to yourself sometime.
That is just in your head, you twisted megalomaniac bastard. That's just how I perceive myself and perception is quite often not the same as reality. I can't deny that I like when people do as I say and such, as in that I use that same "flaw" to my own benefits and I most likely fall to that flaw as well. Which is why I wrote "indifferent", I don't know myself if I do, I don't feel too strong one way or the other. I'm human, I'm very flawed, this ubermench bullshit you pull is just your own twisted perceptions and projections.

I view you as the same type of arrogant prick like Destron on this subject, Kellick as well. You're arrogant pricks that perceive yourself as more enlightened than others just like how Miffy does. don't moan and whine, it's human nature, I can at least respect you if you can look at yourself with an clear and open mind and see your own flaws.
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I'm honestly disappointed that ERB actually pandered. One thing I've always liked about them is that they never seemed to pull their punches with any celebrity/character. In this one it kinda looks like they were holding Bruce/Hulk back and tried to overcompensate for Jenner's weak rap by giving him/her more lines.
A lot more lines, like, holy shit a lot more lines. Hulk was the best part of it and all they did after like three lines was stand there taking shit lol.
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