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Old 09-27-2017, 12:52 PM
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Is it possible to have the spec of the current hosting ?
Is a move to xenforo (vbulletin is dead, the devs moved to xenforo) possible ?
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Old 09-27-2017, 03:30 PM
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Exam week coming up, so I can't respond much, but...

Think a little bigger. Scrolls will always be deeply connected to Blizz, but we need to go beyond that. User content tailored to any game universe, building your own fantasy universe (as Mutters and Co are currently doing on the Discord), and just making random things without any universe at all.

Guides on how to make a character, how to avoid rehashing things (if you feel like you're experienced enough to tread new ground), and inspiration for doing so.

Most importantly, doing all of the above in groups or iterations. Some people can have "their" world while still letting people branch off from it (with due recognition given to the initial author/seed it grew from).

Basically, anyone can draw something and put it up on Deviant Art. Anyone can write fan-fiction and throw it on an aggregate site. But not many places encourage folks to go beyond that, and I'd seriously like to see whole worlds developed from someone's simple short story/drawing. Or, not so simple.

Blizz, while an anchor in our past and present, is still a stepping stone to the future of what users can develop (within the Blizz multiverse and beyond). Build enough steps and you can find your way to a new world, one that others can travel to on your path, or strike out into uncharted territory while still keeping it in sight. Or...just get lost in strange places wondering how you got from that first step to the wild blue yonder.

At least, that's how I've always seen things.
I'd like more than that.

People to make games out of ideas inspired from here, art hosting, video ideas for the youtubers. I just haven't had the time, but something I was seriously considering trying to work with Dunmerbro was a Destron's audio log, I.E. have him or one of the people on SoL who have voice talent (and we've got a thread showing that we have some of those) read the logs and post on youtube with various types of backgrounds and such.

I mean, just something as an example. But shit blew up both in RL and on the forums and I never got to move past my own internal planning to even pitch the idea.

Not like I have any say on SoL, but I've wanted it to move towards a more community creation driven site for a while. Not just as the premier WoW loresite, but for the best and brightest in the community creation department as well.

That provides a natural jump off point for our own creations and a platform for them.

Hell, I think a weekly youtube video or some shit of a WoW based RPG game would draw a lot of people if we use those stripped down RPG servers that just cut out all the combat and stuff so the DM can spawn stuff and shit
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Old 09-27-2017, 03:46 PM
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Please keep the discord so i can visit this site less.

I would let you permabann me from the forum if you keep the discord.

Because the discord is so much more fun.
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Old 09-27-2017, 05:28 PM
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Is it possible to have the spec of the current hosting ?
Is a move to xenforo (vbulletin is dead, the devs moved to xenforo) possible ?
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I'd like more than that.

People to make games out of ideas inspired from here, art hosting, video ideas for the youtubers. I just haven't had the time, but something I was seriously considering trying to work with Dunmerbro was a Destron's audio log, I.E. have him or one of the people on SoL who have voice talent (and we've got a thread showing that we have some of those) read the logs and post on youtube with various types of backgrounds and such.

I mean, just something as an example. But shit blew up both in RL and on the forums and I never got to move past my own internal planning to even pitch the idea.

Not like I have any say on SoL, but I've wanted it to move towards a more community creation driven site for a while. Not just as the premier WoW loresite, but for the best and brightest in the community creation department as well.

That provides a natural jump off point for our own creations and a platform for them.

Hell, I think a weekly youtube video or some shit of a WoW based RPG game would draw a lot of people if we use those stripped down RPG servers that just cut out all the combat and stuff so the DM can spawn stuff and shit
I've actually considered a very scaled down version of this before. Audiodramas as well (inspired by a local DC radio show on Sundays that plays the old ones). But yeah, both scaled down and scaled up is a possibility (with a few caveats as always).

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Please keep the discord so i can visit this site less.

I would let you permabann me from the forum if you keep the discord.

Because the discord is so much more fun.
The discord feels "better" because you can get noticed more easily and can work with topics a bit more readily (due to its active, shallow nature). In a forum you can skip by posts you aren't interested in and keep a more single-minded focus.

Basically, different dynamics and thus different means of recognition/reward. If you just want to rant with people, Discord is your thing. If you want to build something, especially something complex that requires dissection, repetition, and iteration, forums are necessary.
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Old 09-27-2017, 07:38 PM
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If the forums go in favor of Discord, I'll move to it. Otherwise, I'm happy with the forums. However, I do think we need to move to a different board, as vBulletin is out of date (Xenforo?).
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Old 09-28-2017, 09:32 AM
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No idea why someone doesn't just create a subReddit for this already... would be a lot more robust and generate a lot more traffic.
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Old 09-28-2017, 09:54 AM
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No idea why someone doesn't just create a subReddit for this already... would be a lot more robust and generate a lot more traffic.
Fuck you I'm not making a Reddit account.
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:02 AM
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Reddit makes sense if you don't have any alternatives and you're happy with very reduced options (for both users and staff). If we have the option to build a formal, separate site, it's automatically and intrinsically the better choice. Plus, people should read Reddit's ToS. Not very friendly for folks who want to own their portfolios.

On the other hand, anything on SoL (or any future sister sites) is considered the user's unless otherwise and explicitly noted. That's something I intend to keep, because claiming someone else's product is always a recipe for future disaster or infamy.
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:04 PM
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No idea why someone doesn't just create a subReddit for this already... would be a lot more robust and generate a lot more traffic.
I find the user experience on Reddit to be awful with how comment threading works. And the user experience of other users on Reddit. And the markup is unreliable.

So yeah, it would be neat to not have to worry about the hosting component of things, and it might generate some additional traffic, but it also feels like we'd be paying a cost in quality-of-life benefits that we get from having an independent site. And Cantus is right: if Reddit is potentially predatory w/r/t IP, that's a reasonable concern for content creators here.
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Old 10-09-2017, 05:17 AM
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people should read Reddit's ToS. Not very friendly for folks who want to own their portfolios. Anything on SoL (or any future sister sites) is considered the user's unless otherwise and explicitly noted. That's something I intend to keep, because claiming someone else's product is always a recipe for future disaster or infamy.
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Reddit is potentially predatory w/r/t IP, that's a reasonable concern for content creators here.
Are you guys referring to something in particular ? I don't think I've ever heard such things. There is even a subreddit called /r/WritingPrompts that continually gives birth to many novels and authors who now sell on Amazon or have developped their own websites and such.
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Old 10-09-2017, 08:07 AM
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I'd be against us being part of reddit, whose sitewide rules are arcane and selectively enforced. SoL can and should decide its own rules and standards of etiquette.
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Old 10-09-2017, 02:15 PM
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I'd be against us being part of reddit, whose sitewide rules are arcane and selectively enforced. SoL can and should decide its own rules and standards of etiquette.
I don't think SoL should be a subreddit either, I'm just curious about these statements above.
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Old 10-09-2017, 08:35 PM
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I don't think SoL should be a subreddit either, I'm just curious about these statements above.
Don't have time to go into specifics, but they have very standard clauses on ownership of user information, same as facebook. These things are selectively enforced and mostly used to allow them to avoid legal issues (either in use of or avoiding use of materials), but they have the technical potential to basically own a specific product posted there.

In the case of Writing Prompts, if Reddit ever wanted to spin up a studio, they could technically do that with those stories without having to pay the authors' out for IP. They wouldn't be able to stop the original creator from doing a version of that IP, but neither would the creator be able to stop them.

The above issue is not an "if" but "when" in the lifetime of a corporation. At some point, they go from "do no evil" to "do less evil." This is why it's always incumbent on creative media groups to make sure a ToS explicitly notes the line drawn on whether and how products are used in expansion and monetization of IPs.

As to how I know this, I used to help run a (very shitty and quickly defunct) smart phone app company. The lawyers my university supplied back then gave us the whole run-down about what we should and shouldn't put up on social media in terms of advertising ourselves pre-copyright. So, it's just hold-over "if you see this, this is what it actually means."

Pseudo-legal statement for those who care:
Because SoL isn't creative media yet, we never had the need to state it, but I'll just make it explicit now. The lack of a ToS here is a direct statement that we do not automatically own or approve (via implication or contract) any of the materials users post.* Therefore, any IP information created here is considered the user's in both part and whole. However, because we do not have any ownership (co or otherwise) we also have no way to stop other groups from taking said materials and utilizing them in their own IP. Therefore, if a user wants to expand/monetize their IP in the future and it's been used elsewhere, we also have no legal obligation or recourse to assist them aside from proving original timing for creation of given property (and only if we have the database backed up/available to encompass that time period).

* This is implicit legal protection for us in case a user decides to claim us as a hosting medium for materials in violation of copyright or criminal statutes. If said materials are placed on the site, and Staff isn't made aware of such violations, we are thus much less likely to be liable for the temporary location of those materials on our domain/in our database.

Further, Staff's individual projects are considered separate entities from the website unless formally approved by Warlock himself. Even "Official SoL Projects" to date are user generated materials and thus are not assumed to be under SoL's ownership.

If the ToS for SoL is ever changed to encompass ownership, in part or whole, of user property, we will prominently display this for old, new, and returning users.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:37 PM
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I'm curious - what on SoL could ever get into any legal complication? Stuff like Solthris or Marthen's work? I don't see how this would ever be a problem.
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Old 10-09-2017, 10:42 PM
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I'm curious - what on SoL could ever get into any legal complication? Stuff like Solthris or Marthen's work? I don't see how this would ever be a problem.
Links to illegal use of copyrighted material (e.g. someone selling off-brand blizz merch), creation of material that's potentially illegal (e.g. "plans" that are eerily close to conspiracy to commit a misdemeanor/felony like Doxxing) or explicitly illegal (e.g. pornographic material involving children), material that's considered under defamation/libel, and just generally any item that could be construed as being legally problematic (e.g. propaganda associated with controversial movements anywhere from Antifa to the KKK to MS13 to ISIS).

It also gives us very rudimentary (aka imperfect, but existent) legal cover for times when we aren't immediately able to catch explicitly illegal materials and ban/remove the offending party. There's been some very fucked up material bots tried to spam on the forum before (fortunately caught in filters), and certain controversial users have required extensive review of their post history before their continued existence on the forum was considered a possibility, much less allowed. In cases like that, I've contacted said users directly and laid out special rules of conduct if they wanted to remain on the site.

Actually, that reminds me, we do need to update the ToS to make that more explicit. I'd rather have it baked in that Staff have to be informed about user's legal statuses/personal potential legal problems than that their status comes as a surprise down the road.
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