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Old 12-09-2013, 07:12 PM
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What is the significance of drinking Mannoroth's blood for the orcs and than consequently having Grom sacrifice himself to kill him?

There was a point where I believed it was full blown mind control. That the orcs were no longer in control of their actions. Therefore the orcs would of been completely absolved of guilt. Grom reveals that the chieftains willingly partake in the blood of Mannoroth so that makes them guilty.

Over time it became perceived more as a powerful drug. Saurfang talks about how much he regrets what he had done. If he was just a youngster making mistakes it still makes sense. It still makes him culpable though.

There was a point where Nerzhul warned Durotan and Orgrim Doomhammer to not drink the blood. If the blood didn't affect there state of mind what was the reason for them not drinking it? Doomhammer was still bigger and stronger than any orc.

What there any significance to that element in the story?
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Old 12-09-2013, 07:13 PM
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I was going to do a thread like this.
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Old 12-09-2013, 07:15 PM
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The effects are explicitly shown in Rise of the Horde, in the blood-drinking scene. Admittedly, I forget what they precisely are, but they're there.
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Old 12-09-2013, 07:37 PM
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:09 AM
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The effects are explicitly shown in Rise of the Horde, in the blood-drinking scene. Admittedly, I forget what they precisely are, but they're there.
Eyes becoming Burning Red dots was the main (only?) physical thing. It seemed mainly to be a mental thing. Making them go from the angry, murdering barbarians they'd let themselves become to......er, the same thing but "RAWR DEMON BLOOD MADE US DO IT?"

Their skin was already going from Brown to Green based on the use of Fel/Warlock magic.

Blizzard seem not to know themselves at this point.

I mean we have WC3 with Grom drinking it again and becoming a Red/Chaos Orc. But that can be purged with help from Mages apparantly, but only the Red bit, not the general bloodlust he still clearly felt. Er, what?

I've given up on the Orcs development in Warcraft to be honest, Blizzard clearly don't know WHAT they want them to be.
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:59 AM
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Not to mention the new concept art shows the iron horde members with glowing red eyes.
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:26 AM
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IIRC it's supposed to increase size/strength ontop of the whole bloodlust/mental thing.

There is and at the same time there is not a "mind control" aspect to it.
It seems to appear for Chaos Orcs that there is a degree of mind control.
When Grom encountered Mannoroth again after he became a Chaos Orc he ended up joining him even when he did not want to. He specifically said, "We are free" to which Mannoroth laughed.

This is also why I reason that none of the Warlocks inside Magtheridon's lair (just the mini raid part) are Fel Orcs.

Personally, I'm not entirely sure if the mind control aspect of it is based on when the blood pact was placed or if it's based on the degree of corruption.

If it's based on the degree of corruption then really only Chaos Orcs are almost fully under control of the Burning Legion.

If it's based on the when the pact took place then it would stand to reason that there is some degree of mind control it just dissipates over time.

Another aspect to consider is that the bloodlust made them war with each other.

Even after all the Draenei were defeated I specifically remember that the clans ended up fighting amongst themselves now that they had no enemy (or was that after the Second War or both?) hence part of the set up to First War.
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:34 AM
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Another aspect to consider is that the bloodlust made them war with each other.

Even after all the Draenei were defeated I specifically remember that the clans ended up fighting amongst themselves now that they had no enemy (or was that after the Second War or both?) hence part of the set up to First War.
Was Rise of the Horde - not so much Second War seeing as they got beaten/internment camped after that.

Blackhand started running Gladiator tournaments so they could take their aggression out on each other in a "safe" way, and prizes for the winners included food/resources which were starting to run low at this point due to Draenor dying, thanks to the Warlocks. The Draenei had been virtually wiped out by this point.

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Old 12-10-2013, 10:47 AM
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Not to mention the new concept art shows the iron horde members with glowing red eyes.
Really? Wow.

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Even after all the Draenei were defeated I specifically remember that the clans ended up fighting amongst themselves now that they had no enemy (or was that after the Second War or both?) hence part of the set up to First War.
As Hammerbrew says, there were gladiator fights and warring in the RoTH era because of bloodlust and because resources were running out.

There was more infighting on Draenor after the Second War, a miniwar to unite the Horde under Ner'zhul (and acquire the Skull of Gul'dan for him).
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:50 PM
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As Hammerbrew says, there were gladiator fights and warring in the RoTH era because of bloodlust and because resources were running out.

There was more infighting on Draenor after the Second War, a miniwar to unite the Horde under Ner'zhul (and acquire the Skull of Gul'dan for him).
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:45 PM
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Old 12-10-2013, 03:03 PM
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Old 12-10-2013, 03:13 PM
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Not to mention the new concept art shows the iron horde members with glowing red eyes.
I think that might be a biological thing with orcs since Saurfang the Younger's eyes flickered red from time to time.

I think the demonblood just made it a 24/7 thing.
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RotH describes Grom as suddenly growing bigger and more muscular once he drank the blood. It was a pretty much instant change.

And then there was the desire/need to fight. Once the draenei were done the orcs started turning on each other before Gul'dan was visited by Medivh in his dreams.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:01 PM
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RotH describes Grom as suddenly growing bigger and more muscular once he drank the blood. It was a pretty much instant change.

And then there was the desire/need to fight. Once the draenei were done the orcs started turning on each other before Gul'dan was visited by Medivh in his dreams.
Thing is - attributing the infighting to the blood doesn't make sense anymore. Chaos orcs are more or less indistinguishable from clean orcs now.
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