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Old 12-23-2013, 08:12 AM
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That makes me think, can you imagine if it turned out that the Saurfang brothers were a council fight in the Blackrock Foundry?
That would make sense but it would be pretty sad.
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:27 AM
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Ooh, ooh, SAURFANG Vs. SAURFANG! Varok and Thura versus Broxigar and Thura's father. Over the fate of baby saurfang jr. and thura.
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:28 AM
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That would make sense but it would be pretty sad.
What's not sad about this expansion?

(Unless you're a bitter Ally who gets pleasure for punishing orcs of any kind)
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:29 AM
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What's not sad about this expansion?
Frostwolf orcs finally doing something relevant other than fighting dwarves?
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:37 AM
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Frostwolf orcs finally doing something relevant other than fighting dwarves?
I don't care about some Frostwolf orcs from the other world! There is nothing relevant about them!
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:21 AM
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I don't care about some Frostwolf orcs from the other world! There is nothing relevant about them!
Agreed.

Very hard to care about people who shouldn't exist.
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:23 AM
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Agreed.

Very hard to care about people who shouldn't exist.
Have you joined the Society yet?
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:24 AM
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Have you joined the Society yet?
Which society would that be?
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:25 AM
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:32 AM
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Old 12-23-2013, 11:33 AM
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What's not sad about this expansion?
A chance to learn new, exciting things about Draenor?
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Old 12-23-2013, 11:36 AM
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A chance to learn new, exciting things about Draenor?
I prefer "new" when it doesn't coincide with "retconned" and "possibly not 'real'"
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Old 12-23-2013, 06:26 PM
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Broxigar.
Oh, that dude.

Yeah, I guess that would be poop-inducing.
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:55 AM
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I wouldn't really say it's those who came from the Blackrock Clan vs. those who came from the Black Tooth Grin Clan. I think it's more like... those who were placed in internment camps after the Horde's defeat, versus those who escaped capture after the Horde's defeat.

When Rend and Maim re-merged the Blackrock and Black Tooth Grin, there were probably a larger number of Blackrock orcs. The Black Tooth Grin started out smaller, they lost huge numbers against the Twilight's Hammer at the Battle of the Broken Isles, and they lost even larger numbers against Proudmoore at Crestfall. The Blackrock army got to sit these two battles out, instead carrying out an organized retreat from Capital City to Blackrock Spire.

It's surprising that Rend and Maim themselves even escaped Crestfall to participate in the final two battles of the war; I find it doubtful that many of their Black Tooth Grin warriors would have survived to join them.

So I don't really see it as the Black Tooth Grin orcs suddenly calling themselves Blackrock, but the Blackrock orcs pledging loyalty to the bloodline of their old warchief (the one who commanded before the disastrous Second War), with the few surviving Black Tooth Grin reaffirming their original Blackrock loyalty--which they held a mere 6 years ago.

Meanwhile, the Blackrock and Black Tooth Grin prisoners would rot away in internment camps, suffering the never-before-felt effects of lethargy. When their old chieftain Doomhammer and his successor Thrall liberated them--promising not only a new future but also a goal of ending their dependence forever and never falling into the terrible lethargy again--naturally they would embrace their new warchiefs and fight to become better people.

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Old 12-26-2013, 01:54 PM
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Nice graph. Yeah, it's probably like that.
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Old 12-26-2013, 05:49 PM
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I would love if they explored exactly what political connections existed between the Blackrock, Thunderlord, and Lightning's Blade Clans in the pre-Horde times.

If the chieftain of the Blackrocks had some inherent power in the other clans, in sort of a precursor to the warchief position.


EDIT: I've already said my headcanon about the Black Tooth Grin's creation: that Blackhand formed it so both of his sons would have a clan to lead when he died--because he underestimated their ability to work together (and Maim's inclination to subservience). I wonder if Blackhand was considered chieftain of both clans during his lifetime, or if he appointed a placeholder chieftain over the Black Tooth Grin until his lesser son was ready to take over.

It'd kind of fun when the Blackrock Clan starts to feel like a commonwealth.

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Old 12-27-2013, 02:44 AM
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I would love if they explored exactly what political connections existed between the Blackrock, Thunderlord, and Lightning's Blade Clans in the pre-Horde times.
At this point I'd take ANY political side of the Orcs outside of what they've become; a very poor imitation of the Orks.
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:04 AM
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I wouldn't really say it's those who came from the Blackrock Clan vs. those who came from the Black Tooth Grin Clan. I think it's more like... those who were placed in internment camps after the Horde's defeat, versus those who escaped capture after the Horde's defeat.

When Rend and Maim re-merged the Blackrock and Black Tooth Grin, there were probably a larger number of Blackrock orcs. The Black Tooth Grin started out smaller, they lost huge numbers against the Twilight's Hammer at the Battle of the Broken Isles, and they lost even larger numbers against Proudmoore at Crestfall. The Blackrock army got to sit these two battles out, instead carrying out an organized retreat from Capital City to Blackrock Spire.

So I don't really see it as the Black Tooth Grin orcs suddenly calling themselves Blackrock, but the Blackrock orcs pledging loyalty to the bloodline of their old warchief (the one who commanded before the disastrous Second War), with the few surviving Black Tooth Grin reaffirming their original Blackrock loyalty--which they held a mere 6 years ago.

Meanwhile, the Blackrock and Black Tooth Grin prisoners would rot away in internment camps, suffering the never-before-felt effects of lethargy. When their old chieftain Doomhammer and his successor Thrall liberated them--promising not only a new future but also a goal of ending their dependence forever and never falling into the terrible lethargy again--naturally they would embrace their new warchiefs and fight to become better people.
There were also free Blackrock Orcs under Orgrim Doomhammer during the lethargy years.

Also Clans can be really hard to kill in Warcraft, so I think the Black Tooth Grin Clan's numbers were probably ok as they've suffered much less then say the Dragonmaw.

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At this point I'd take ANY political side of the Orcs outside of what they've become; a very poor imitation of the Orks.
Preach it.

MOP ruined orcs
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