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Old 08-17-2012, 05:25 AM
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Pygmies and their relationship to Goblins is one of those lore titbits that does not seem to automatically look right. Since they look more reminiscent of the Trolls who once held control over them. I am wondering if their might be a link through the Mogu.

The Mogu have already shown they can make races to suit a plethora of purposes, and that they held a strong alliance with the Zandalari. So what if the Mogu took the Pygmys and used their flesh warping powers to create something more akin to a tiny troll like creature.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:32 AM
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Pygmies and their relationship to Goblins is one of those lore titbits that does not seem to automatically look right. Since they look more reminiscent of the Trolls who once held control over them. I am wondering if their might be a link through the Mogu.

The Mogu have already shown they can make races to suit a plethora of purposes, and that they held a strong alliance with the Zandalari. So what if the Mogu took the Pygmys and used their flesh warping powers to create something more akin to a tiny troll like creature.
My hypothesis, you have stolen it, or great minds think alike.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:37 AM
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I think it was more the Kajamite influence that changed them
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:44 AM
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My hypothesis, you have stolen it, or great minds think alike.
Not read your hypothesis, so sorry if I have created a duplicate thread. I prefer to think great minds think alike.

As for Kajamite, I think that is more what made them smart, rather what made them troll like.

On another note, could the Pygmies unknown ancestor be curse of flesh altered gnomes? which would be amusing as it would be that technically Gnomes and Goblins are cousins.
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That faceless one in the Lost Isles says that he remembers when goblins were made.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:50 AM
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That faceless one in the Lost Isles says that he remembers when goblins were made.
Well the Faceless have been around since day 1 on Azeroth. So that is like Algalon and other ancient beings saying they have seen empires fall.

It also confirms they were made. But it does not mean they were made by Faceless, just that they were made. So the Mogu could be the ones that "made" them.
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Not read your hypothesis, so sorry if I have created a duplicate thread. I prefer to think great minds think alike.

As for Kajamite, I think that is more what made them smart, rather what made them troll like.

On another note, could the Pygmies unknown ancestor be curse of flesh altered gnomes? which would be amusing as it would be that technically Gnomes and Goblins are cousins.
I was mostly joking and to find my hypothesis you'd have to look in one of the big mop threads. Don't know which one....

I wonder if Kajamite has the same effect on any race or just those related to goblins. If it's only those related to goblins, goblins could possibly descent from hozen who descend from monkeys.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:51 AM
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That faceless one in the Lost Isles says that he remembers when goblins were made.
Mogu made goblins out of Pygmies to serve as slave labor when the trolls fought the Aqir.

Mogu were the "US" to the trolls Britain, supplying funds and pillaged titan tech and whatnot.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:53 AM
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Mogu made goblins out of Pygmies to serve as slave labor when the trolls fought the Aqir.

Mogu were the "US" to the trolls Britain, supplying funds and pillaged titan tech and whatnot.
I like that thought chain, makes me wonder what other parts the Mogu could of played in the Aqir wars.
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And obviously the Mogu fleshcrafted the night elves out of Dark Trolls for the Zandalari. Muahahahahaha!
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The pygmies didn't become goblins, they just share a common ancestor.
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The pygmies didn't become goblins, they just share a common ancestor.
Go on, tell us more. ;P
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Go on, tell us more. ;P
That's clear from the magazine article. This is nothing new or internal lore.
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That's clear from the magazine article. This is nothing new or internal lore.
Eh, I misremembered it slightly wrong, still, just kidding.
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The pygmies didn't become goblins, they just share a common ancestor.
Ok, but it still does not explain why they look so damn different. The Mogu element is still a possibility?
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Ok, but it still does not explain why they look so damn different. The Mogu element is still a possibility?
I dunno. There's absolutely nothing implying any link between the mogu and goblins. Bear in mind that as far as I know the goblins were not zandalari troll servants, but gurubashi troll servants. No goblins appear in pandaria as part of the mogu empire, and their evolution from whatever ancestor they share with pygmies is attributed to Kaja'mite, which is mostly found in and around mount Kajaro, which is outside the Mogu Empire.
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and their evolution from whatever ancestor they share with pygmies is attributed to Kaja'mite, which is mostly found in and around mount Kajaro, which is outside the Mogu Empire.
Well I assumed they were Zandalari servants, so that is my mistake. But the faceless quote seems to imply they were made, rather then born through an accident. Mogu connection to the Trolls is only severed I am guessing post-sundering, so there is still alot of time to play with.

As for the Mogu not having any Goblins, well if they created them as a gift I assume they would not retain them.

Again I am making assumptions like I often do.
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I dunno. There's absolutely nothing implying any link between the mogu and goblins. Bear in mind that as far as I know the goblins were not zandalari troll servants, but gurubashi troll servants. No goblins appear in pandaria as part of the mogu empire, and their evolution from whatever ancestor they share with pygmies is attributed to Kaja'mite, which is mostly found in and around mount Kajaro, which is outside the Mogu Empire.
Darn, that's a good point.

I wonder if the Old Gods introduced Kaja'mite to the goblins intentionally to sabotage the trolls since they fought the Aqir?

Or if they had deathwing expose them to kaja'mite to help with making the dragon soul and the troll thing afterwards was just an accident?
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