Ah, well I suppose I am far too removed from that culturally/socially to make the connection.

Anyway it is crap all around.

"No wonder you people lost the Empire! And you know what? Scotland's next!" -Bill Murray's character's brother in The Man Who Knew Too Little.

What can't we learn from Bill Murray movies?

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If Scotland breaks up the UK over some shitty notions of fabricated nationalism I shall forever hate Scotland. The only thing that separates Scots from Englishmen is a funny accent and kilts.

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The British colonies that would become the USA broke from the UK over dumber reasons. =P

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If a group of people wants to break off from their country then they should be able to IMO.

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No matter how retarded the reasoning behind it.

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If I'm not wrong (I'm probably) Scotland's situation regarding England (and well, Wales and Ireland too) has always been inferior.

If they're better off, like the colonies, then make it happen, though I would prefer if they solved their problems properly and stayed together.

If they can't, well, it depends on how much "we're not England" feeling there is around here (real one, not inflated one). In the case of Spanish nationalisms, all of them are inflated and a minority (and in fact, they don't really want independence, they just want to get moar money like parasites sucking others' blood).

I don't know the situation around the united kingdoms well enough to have a solid opinion, really.

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Technically, the Scots aren't going to break off from "their country" (the UK) because Scotland in itself is a country. The sovereign state of the United Kingdom is composed of four countries: England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. So, rather than breaking off from their "country", as you mentioned, they're just breaking off from the union which unites them to the other 3 countries. But that's just technical mumbo jumbo, now back to the matter at hand.

If you want to break off from a sovereign state, you really have to consider if the costs outweigh the benefits. In the current economic crisis in the EU, it would be very disadvantageous if Scotland suddenly decided to be a sovereign state and break off from the EU. Especially since doing that implies straining diplomatic and economical ties with the UK, and besides that, having a much smaller economy than before, where the Scottish, English, Welsh and Northern Irish economies stood together strong and intertwined. Nationalism is one thing, thinking that you can survive on your own when the state of the European economy is shaky is another.

And what of protecting the minority rights of those that live in that area and do not want to secede? Do they need to choose between leaving their home or involuntary secession and possible loss of rights (let's say a state wants to be free of any federal "equal opportunity" legislation)?

You can make that argument about any law, though. What of the rights of people who DO want to eat tainted bologna from Mexico deemed unfit for human consumption per FDA grades? Unfortunately most people don't want it in the country.

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Pretty much what Fordragon said, but also the wishes of minority are outweighed by the wishes of the majority. If the majority wishes to stay a part of the UK then that should be what happens. If the majority wishes to leave then that should be what happens.

It wouldn't be fair for 70 people if what they wanted didn't happen because 30 people didn't want it to happen. That's tyranny of the minority IMO.

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I don't follow the referendum debates that closely, however...

Scottish nationalists have been banging on with the "Scotland would be better off without England" and "Stealing Scottish gas" rhetoric for years, but no one seems to be able to provide any actual figures for how Scotland would be better on its own.

The way the referendum itself is being carried out is stupid, the Scottish national party want to attach a second question asking voters if they want the Scottish Parliament to have greater power, when the guys campaigning in favour of independence want to attach a fallback question it tells you all you need to know about how they rate their chances of actually winning the referendum.
(Polls have always put the numbers in favour between 30-40% of the population)


Under the current system amusingly, Scottish (and Welsh) MPs have more power than English MPs, the Scots and Welsh can cast votes in the house of commons on all issues, even votes that only effect England, English MPs cannot vote in the devolved parliaments, that our political system has still not sorted this out in the 14 years since Scotland got its own parliament is pretty depressing.

I want to see Scotland try and secede from the UK and start a war with the British Empire by creating an army called the Stormkilts.

It was hyperbole, so let's not go down that train of though, but it's less to do with the fact they think differently and more to do with the fact they're not even thinking logically.

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