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Old 06-13-2014, 08:23 AM
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I don't know that there's ever been an in-lore mention of Darkspear engaging in any kind of fishing specifically.

Sure, you'll see Darkspear fishing trainers, the Darkspear at Shadowprey Village are obviously fishing, and the Echo Isles show plenty of evidence to that effect, but I don't know that there's ever been a specific mention of the Darkspear saving the Orcs from starvation with fish.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:25 AM
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Didn't Thrall choose the barren landscape intentionally, as atonement?

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I don't know that there's ever been an in-lore mention of Darkspear engaging in any kind of fishing specifically.

Sure, you'll see Darkspear fishing trainers, the Darkspear at Shadowprey Village are obviously fishing, and the Echo Isles show plenty of evidence to that effect, but I don't know that there's ever been a specific mention of the Darkspear saving the Orcs from starvation with fish.
Perhaps the cooking daily in Orgrimmar?
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Motherfucker, "Lok'tar ogar" doesn't translate to "soap and water", it's "blood and thunder".
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:27 AM
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I don't know that there's ever been an in-lore mention of Darkspear engaging in any kind of fishing specifically.

Sure, you'll see Darkspear fishing trainers, the Darkspear at Shadowprey Village are obviously fishing, and the Echo Isles show plenty of evidence to that effect, but I don't know that there's ever been a specific mention of the Darkspear saving the Orcs from starvation with fish.
Ah, thanks anyways then Kellick. I imagine if anyone would know this, it would be you, and if you can't think of it, then it doesn't exist. This ends my query.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:35 AM
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Ah, thanks anyways then Kellick. I imagine if anyone would know this, it would be you, and if you can't think of it, then it doesn't exist. This ends my query.
Most likely, the "with fish" part is just a logical extension of the first part, given that we haven't seen the Darkspear engaged in any sort of agriculture or ranching (save for their raptors, given that we know the Orcs and Trolls eat their eggs and meat, at least in Vanilla).

It's possible there's another source I've never heard of, but that's all I know.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:36 AM
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Didn't Thrall choose the barren landscape intentionally, as atonement?
Yeah, but people got angry when they started to die from starvation and droughts.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:40 AM
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Yeah, but people got angry when they started to die from starvation and droughts.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:47 AM
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It's worth noting that when Thrall had the Orcs settle Durotar, it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.

It only became that bad after Daelin had Thunder Ridge clear cut, depriving the Orcs of their closest source of wood while driving the local wildlife insane, later followed by the entire planet having a near death experience with the elemental uprising causing a magical, prolonged and particularly nasty drought.
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Is that actually a real thing?
Apparently 5.3 made a big deal about Vol'jin smelling absolutely foul to Alliance players, but not to Horde players.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:05 AM
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It's worth noting that when Thrall had the Orcs settle Durotar, it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.

It only became that bad after Daelin had Thunder Ridge clear cut, depriving the Orcs of their closest source of wood while driving the local wildlife insane, later followed by the entire planet having a near death experience with the elemental uprising causing a magical, prolonged and particularly nasty drought.
so in other words it became a problem because of something thrall didn't do and couldn't have foreseen.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:25 AM
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so in other words it became a problem because of something thrall didn't do and couldn't have foreseen.
Well, yes and no.

On the one hand, Thrall couldn't have predicted that things would get as bad as they did at the time he set up shop. On the other hand, the entire purpose was atonement, so struggle and suffering were what he had in mind, meaning Durotar was working as intended. Just more so than he might have preferred.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:39 AM
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Well, yes and no.

On the one hand, Thrall couldn't have predicted that things would get as bad as they did at the time he set up shop. On the other hand, the entire purpose was atonement, so struggle and suffering were what he had in mind, meaning Durotar was working as intended. Just more so than he might have preferred.
I'm quite 100% certain thrall didn't want his people to suffer, just learn how to work without access to power and bloodlust. As he couldn't have foreseen deathwing, or even the alliance following them all the way across the ocean and causing trouble, he more then likely wanted to just have his people grow and get better and make the most of what they had. This is thrall after all, the guy people have bitched about for years about how good he is.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:47 AM
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And yet despite people now bow down and blowing voljin, he won't move orgrimmar away from the desert anymore then garry did. Of course kosak won't mention how the issue of drought or starvation is the same as it's always been, can't possibly taint his favourite trolls new image.

At least garrosh knew what needed to be done in order to survive, invade and take what was needed to live.
And then you act surprised when Tyrande says that all orcs are shit....
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:44 PM
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And yet despite people now bow down and blowing voljin, he won't move orgrimmar away from the desert anymore then garry did. Of course kosak won't mention how the issue of drought or starvation is the same as it's always been, can't possibly taint his favourite trolls new image.

At least garrosh knew what needed to be done in order to survive, invade and take what was needed to live.
Not to mention he actually intended to move the Horde capital into the verdant forests of Ashenvale. No more blistering heat, no famine and desert drought.
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Old 06-13-2014, 01:05 PM
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Old 06-13-2014, 03:45 PM
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Just remember that the Thrall you love chose Durotan' s location when it was rugged but bountiful, reminding him of their homeland Draenor. Somehow.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:35 PM
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Just remember that the Thrall you love chose Durotan' s location when it was rugged but bountiful, reminding him of their homeland Draenor. Somehow.
If feels like there are more contradictions regarding Thrall's decision on Durotar's location than all of the Tides of Darkness book.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:40 PM
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WoD kinda seems to semi-answer that with the original Gorgrond, which does indeed show rather heavy resemblance to Durotar, and would have been a homeland for several clans from whose members Thrall could have heard descriptions.
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Just remember that the Thrall you love chose Durotan' s location when it was rugged but bountiful, reminding him of their homeland Draenor. Somehow.
The line is "...rugged and beautiful, much like the place from which my people originally come."

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WoD kinda seems to semi-answer that with the original Gorgrond, which does indeed show rather heavy resemblance to Durotar, and would have been a homeland for several clans from whose members Thrall could have heard descriptions.
It looks more like the Warcraft III Barrens than the Barrens and Durotar do.
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:32 AM
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Not to mention he actually intended to move the Horde capital into the verdant forests of Ashenvale. No more blistering heat, no famine and desert drought.
Why didn't they just move to Mulgore?

I mean, it's close enough to the Barrens, the Tauren never seemed to have much issue with food even just hunting not to mention how fertile it is. You get rid of the Quilboar and Centuar problem which gives the scrappy shits something to do (and means more resources 4 da h0rde). It's not like Mulgore is exactly claustrophobic.

As a bonus, you're not pissing off the natives since they're your BFFs.
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:52 AM
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Why didn't they just move to Mulgore?

I mean, it's close enough to the Barrens, the Tauren never seemed to have much issue with food even just hunting not to mention how fertile it is. You get rid of the Quilboar and Centuar problem which gives the scrappy shits something to do (and means more resources 4 da h0rde). It's not like Mulgore is exactly claustrophobic.

As a bonus, you're not pissing off the natives since they're your BFFs.
because it was already tauren land, and a land can't support two large groups of people with only limited resources for one.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:03 AM
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because it was already tauren land, and a land can't support two large groups of people with only limited resources for one.
Then ditch the 'big city' idea and spread the surviving population out across Durotar and the Barrens into farming/hunting communities/settlements. Have them learn to farm and hunt (ranchers) until they can grow enough food to provide for something like a city.

Besides, with the famine, that won't be much of a problem anymore with so much of the orcish race dead.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:09 AM
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Besides, with the famine, that won't be much of a problem anymore with so much of the orcish race dead.
They've been dead ever since BtDP yet still pulled thousands of troops out of their ass in every game. Post MoP will be no exception. Expect orcs from Draenor to settle in MU Azeroth as well.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:24 AM
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Then ditch the 'big city' idea and spread the surviving population out across Durotar and the Barrens into farming/hunting communities/settlements. Have them learn to farm and hunt (ranchers) until they can grow enough food to provide for something like a city.
yes, just like stormwind did with westfall.

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Old 06-14-2014, 09:28 AM
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because it was already tauren land, and a land can't support two large groups of people with only limited resources for one.
Just the one now.

And as Kynrind said, don't put them all around one, big, great city. If Durotar can sustain the Orcs for that long I don't think Mulgore is going to be do worse.
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