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Old 12-02-2018, 07:23 AM
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What about the Old Gods and Void Lords? A place for them as the resident Lovecraft Wannabes?

On a different but still relevant direction what about the Trolls, Pandaren, Dwarves and Gnomes, Goblins? Their histories, abilities, etc.

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Old 12-02-2018, 12:58 PM
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Gelbin "King of Gnomes" Mekkatorque has supposedly been the elected High Tinker for over 30 years, during numerous wars, invasions, and liberations, experiencing key policy changes in diplomacy and administration... all without ever having to experience a single re-election event. And without showing us the initial election, if there ever was one. In comparison, consider how many kings and other autocrats have lived and died during that time.

Such unquestioned longevity deserves a little explanation at the very least, but we know virtually nothing about how Gnomish government and succession even works. This is lazy writing.

EDIT: For comparison: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ers_since_1900
He's ruled longer than Joseph Stalin or John Paul II. He'd probably need about 5-10 more years to pass Kim Il-sung or Fidel Castro, depending on when he was actually elected. It's possible he's beaten them already.

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Old 12-06-2018, 07:19 AM
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The Holy Light, The Void, Arcane, Fel, Nature, Death. What about how they work and what its spokesmem are like in this Nu-Craft?
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Old 12-06-2018, 10:09 AM
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Such unquestioned longevity deserves a little explanation at the very least, but we know virtually nothing about how Gnomish government and succession even works. This is lazy writing.
They need more prominent Gnome characters, period.

It's sad that the next most famous gnome is not even a gnome, but a Bronze Dragon.
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Old 12-06-2018, 01:30 PM
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What about the Old Gods and Void Lords? A place for them as the resident Lovecraft Wannabes?

On a different but still relevant direction what about the Trolls, Pandaren, Dwarves and Gnomes, Goblins? Their histories, abilities, etc.
As I said, the Old Gods et al are unnecessary if we already have the countless demonic races fulfilling the role of generic destructive invaders.

Do the other races need to be rewritten under Retrocraft? I imagine their current backgrounds could be retained largely unchanged.

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The Holy Light, The Void, Arcane, Fel, Nature, Death. What about how they work and what its spokesmem are like in this Nu-Craft?
That depends on what role we want them to play. The first two games only ever defined magic classes as clerics, conjurers, necromancers and warlocks. Of these, the necromancers and warlocks seemed to be different expressions of the same underlying religion.

While it makes sense to classify magic by what it affects, those six categories in particular are unnecessarily vague and arbitrary. What are they supposed to mean, really? Looking over the Warcraft wiki definitions, they are fairly vague and have a number of overlapping effects.

If we want to keep them, then we need to pin down what they can and cannot do, what separates them to begin with. What are they actually supposed to do?

That is why I suggested (inspired by Legacy of Kain) increasing the number of Guardians of Tirisfal and associating each one with a particular facet of reality, to the point of giving each facet a physical pillar tied to the stability of Azeroth.

The six categories of magic are an obvious retcon, as I strongly suspect that if they had been thought of earlier then the dragon aspects would have been associated with them rather than the scheme they did get.
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Old 12-06-2018, 09:34 PM
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Gelbin "King of Gnomes" Mekkatorque has supposedly been the elected High Tinker for over 30 years, during numerous wars, invasions, and liberations, experiencing key policy changes in diplomacy and administration... all without ever having to experience a single re-election event. And without showing us the initial election, if there ever was one. In comparison, consider how many kings and other autocrats have lived and died during that time.

Such unquestioned longevity deserves a little explanation at the very least, but we know virtually nothing about how Gnomish government and succession even works. This is lazy writing.

EDIT: For comparison: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ers_since_1900
He's ruled longer than Joseph Stalin or John Paul II. He'd probably need about 5-10 more years to pass Kim Il-sung or Fidel Castro, depending on when he was actually elected. It's possible he's beaten them already.
He indefinitely suspends elections until Gnomeregan has been reclaimed fully. Then again, the radiation is gonna take a very long time to dissipate ensuring him a very long term
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