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Old 03-11-2018, 03:13 PM
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It seems most of them ran off with their tails between their legs because they couldn't get away with just breaking the rules and constantly harassing other users in place of making actual well-reasoned and fact-based arguments.
Or, they're not as good as making thinly veiled insults as others.
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Old 03-11-2018, 10:17 PM
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It seems most of them ran off with their tails between their legs because they couldn't get away with just breaking the rules and constantly harassing other users in place of making actual well-reasoned and fact-based arguments.
No, we just figured that if you are going to dive head first into your...hobbies... we should let you have your safe space.

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Old 03-12-2018, 01:47 AM
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It seems most of them ran off with their tails between their legs because they couldn't get away with just breaking the rules and constantly harassing other users in place of making actual well-reasoned and fact-based arguments.
That and you're abrasive and skirt the rules regarding insults.


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I'm sure the two of you will come to an impartial conclusion.
I'm not going to pretend Kakwa's a great guy but he has a point regarding the disturbing resurgence of antisemitism and similar groups.
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Old 03-12-2018, 05:00 PM
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:12 AM
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Politics don't belong in genre fiction isn't black characters or lesbian characters. It's the way they, almost universally in popular media, tend to act and talk. Of course, I'll admit that some of that turns into "God damnit, not another one" and people just start passing stuff up and probably do genuinely miss out on the good shit.

The characters themselves are fine, insofar as nobody cares if they are lesbian or gay or white or black (I mean, some people care)... But then they go and insert personal politics into the whole thing and those characters begin to feel less like a character in the story and more like mouthpieces.
Yes, that would be something new and different in comics.



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Old 03-13-2018, 06:27 AM
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:01 AM
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And the funny thing is, that isn't a new or unique complaint.
Try reading the rest of the post.
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:34 AM
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Just because I don't quote the entire thing, doesn't mean that I didn't. But your quote, "And the funny thing is, that isn't a new or unique complaint." is followed up with discussing not comic book history, but novelist Terry Goodkind. So learn to better contextualize your arguments.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:57 PM
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https://www.theroot.com/millions-of-...1823742091/amp

What can we do about this degree of bias from Koch billionaires?
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Old 03-15-2018, 03:17 AM
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The official SEGA forum was shut down, about a month or so ago. I'm glad to have been there on its deathbed. I migrated to the Sonic Stadium, but after a few weeks my phone started to not get along with the board's format so that I can't look through my notifications or post, a similar issue I had when even trying to register on Sonic Retro.

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Gee, I wonder why? *sighs*
I already told you guys, it's an influx of globalism (Yankee/European brands of bigotry being more accessible and on the rise) and a decline in modern Protestant Christianity (which has had an automatic reverence for Jews/Judaism in recent times).

For an illustration of both factors at work, look to our current president.

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Old 03-15-2018, 09:32 AM
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I feel it's generalizing a bit to call that globalism, and I don't think the reduction in protestant Christianity has had the effect you believe it has.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:20 AM
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Just because I don't quote the entire thing, doesn't mean that I didn't. But your quote, "And the funny thing is, that isn't a new or unique complaint." is followed up with discussing not comic book history, but novelist Terry Goodkind. So learn to better contextualize your arguments.
Yes, Terry Goodkind, an author of genre fiction.

Which was what was being discussed.

You brought up comics specifically, by quoting a singular part of my post that specifically referenced media in general, and not comics. Not even the part mentioning Miles Morales, which is the only time something related to comics came up, because it is also an example of genre fiction.

I get that you think gaslighting and misdirection are valid forms of argument, but they aren't.

And even if they were, you suck at them.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:49 AM
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I feel it's generalizing a bit to call that globalism,
Maybe it's "globalization".

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That's just AN effect, not the only effect. Here's a thing about modern Christians liking Jews: https://www.city-journal.org/html/wh...hem-13068.html

Right, it's reminding me to qualify it as "evangelical" Christians, not just "Protestant". Where I grew up, it was hard to tell the difference.

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The evidence about evangelical attitudes is clear. In 2006, a Pew survey found that evangelical Christians were more favorable toward Israel than the average American was—and much more sympathetic than either mainline Protestants or secularists. In another survey, evangelical Christians proved much likelier than Catholics, Protestants, or secular types to back Israeli control of Jerusalem, endorse Israeli settlements on the West Bank, and take Israel’s side in a Middle Eastern dispute. (Among every religious group, those who are most traditional are most supportive of Israel. The most orthodox Catholics and Protestants, for instance, support Israel more than their modernist colleagues do.)

Evangelical Christians have a high opinion not just of the Jewish state but of Jews as people.
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Old 03-15-2018, 02:58 PM
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Yeah, I always got the impression that Christians liked Israel because there's some Biblical prophecy about the end of the world where everyone dies (which the Christians are obsessed with, being a death cult and all). Apparently the Jews have to hold Jerusalem while it happens or something.
But now we're getting into Religion Thread territory.
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Old 03-15-2018, 04:40 PM
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Yeah, I always got the impression that Christians liked Israel because there's some Biblical prophecy about the end of the world where everyone dies (which the Christians are obsessed with, being a death cult and all). Apparently the Jews have to hold Jerusalem while it happens or something.
But now we're getting into Religion Thread territory.
Sure, that's a huge part of it. For the other part, ask someone who grew up going to Sunday School and watching Bible cartoons - when they weren't being told about Jesus, who were they being told about? Noah. Moses. Joshua. David. Samuel. Esther. And so on and so forth.

Throw in the background influences of Simpsons and Rugrats...

Add the factor that many U.S. boys were circumcised as infants for medical reasons (a fact which, per my understanding, causes many Europeans to flip tables in rage because eww that's so Jewish)...

Our antisemitism has been COMPARATIVELY low on this side of the ocean. It's not the American brand of bigotry.

EDIT: All this talk makes me want to watch An American Tale again. I don't think my kids have seen it yet. We'll fiix that! Then maybe Fiddler on the Roof. And some Prince of Egypt, since Easter's coming up. Oh man, it's movie night time!

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Old 03-15-2018, 08:08 PM
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Sure, that's a huge part of it. For the other part, ask someone who grew up going to Sunday School and watching Bible cartoons - when they weren't being told about Jesus, who were they being told about? Noah. Moses. Joshua. David. Samuel. Esther. And so on and so forth.

Throw in the background influences of Simpsons and Rugrats...

Add the factor that many U.S. boys were circumcised as infants for medical reasons (a fact which, per my understanding, causes many Europeans to flip tables in rage because eww that's so Jewish)...

Our antisemitism has been COMPARATIVELY low on this side of the ocean. It's not the American brand of bigotry.

EDIT: All this talk makes me want to watch An American Tale again. I don't think my kids have seen it yet. We'll fiix that! Then maybe Fiddler on the Roof. And some Prince of Egypt, since Easter's coming up. Oh man, it's movie night time!
That's what most people grow up with in Christian countries who have some sort of "Sunday school" in their curriculum (Germany, at least, has "Religion" as curriculum, and has had it for quite a while, going to Church was also staple for every reputable family. I know France has it on its curriculum as well, though you can go for "Ethics" instead, let's not even begin on Italy).

It's not about "ewww so Jewish" but more "we know the Jews do it wtf are you doing it if you're for then?". Maybe because the hardcore Prudism never set that much foot/root here/was dispelled over time.

Ehhh while the US never performed a Godwin on the Jews, the idea of of the eternal profiteer and coward resounded as strong in the US for several decades as it always has in the Old Countries. A neat and easy gauge: you wouldn't start a gang if you didn't already feel misaligned.

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Old 03-16-2018, 03:48 AM
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Well, I just learned that General U.S. Grant tried to expel all Jews in a chunk of the country, in an effort to stem contraband cotton profiteering. For comparison, this was at a time when the Confederacy had a Jewish secretary of state. And I really liked Grant, too. Lincoln stopped him.

Anyway, I still maintain the following: if you are a time traveler choosing to relocate in the 15th-20th centuries, go to North America if you are Jewish; go to Europe if you are black.

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Old 03-18-2018, 07:37 AM
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I get that you think gaslighting and misdirection are valid forms of argument, but they aren't.
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What's with this recent trend of conflating racism with institutionalized racism? Someone is trying to tell me that literally only white people can be racist in the US and a black guy beating someone to death for being white is not racist.
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Old 06-06-2018, 08:27 AM
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What's with this recent trend of conflating racism with institutionalized racism? Someone is trying to tell me that literally only white people can be racist in the US and a black guy beating someone to death for being white is not racist.
The idea is that Prejudice+Power=Racism. Because PoCs don't have power, they can't be racist.
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Mob rule has ousted a progressive judge who was known for being fair to all and non-prejudiced or racist at all. However, he was a proponent of rehabilitation over punishment and handed out lenient sentences (especially for first-time offenders.. As we all know, America has a massive hard-on for punishment and only wants "the bad guys" to suffer, so he had to go. Expect yet another "tough on crime" judge to take his place and hand out draconic sentences for small crimes out of fear of being recalled by the court of social media.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/u...er-recall.html
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Mob rule has ousted a progressive judge who was known for being fair to all and non-prejudiced or racist at all. However, he was a proponent of rehabilitation over punishment and handed out lenient sentences (especially for first-time offenders.. As we all know, America has a massive hard-on for punishment and only wants "the bad guys" to suffer, so he had to go. Expect yet another "tough on crime" judge to take his place and hand out draconic sentences for small crimes out of fear of being recalled by the court of social media.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/u...er-recall.html
Without know all the details...

The kid basically raped a girl. 6 months is perhaps not the best choice?
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The kid basically raped a girl. 6 months is perhaps not the best choice?
Technically according to the California legal definition at the time (and technical is everything in law) it wasn't actually "rape." The judge acted accordingly including his belief in rehabilitation over punishment, lenient sentences, etc and went with the sentence suggested by the probation office (it also included 5 years of probation, being on the sex offender registry for life, and having a felony conviction on his record for life which entails the loss of many rights). Had the judge given a sentence more fitting to actual rape, that would have effectively been "judicial legislating" which I think I recall you not being much of a fan of. The state legislators have since changed the law to include what he did in the definition. That should have been the end of it.
Instead, mob rules ensued and people have been saying the judge is racist (despite investigation showing he has been consistent regardless of race and married a black woman), that he took bribes, that he only likes rich people, and other nasty things. It seems a lot of the people calling for prison reform only like the idea of prison reform, but really just have the same hard-on for punishing people that most Americans seem to. There are reasons why we incarcerate more people than any other country in the world, by total and per capita.
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Technically according to the California legal definition at the time (and technical is everything in law) it wasn't actually "rape." The judge acted accordingly including his belief in rehabilitation over punishment, lenient sentences, etc and went with the sentence suggested by the probation office (it also included 5 years of probation, being on the sex offender registry for life, and having a felony conviction on his record for life which entails the loss of many rights). Had the judge given a sentence more fitting to actual rape, that would have effectively been "judicial legislating" which I think I recall you not being much of a fan of. The state legislators have since changed the law to include what he did in the definition. That should have been the end of it.
Instead, mob rules ensued and people have been saying the judge is racist (despite investigation showing he has been consistent regardless of race and married a black woman), that he took bribes, that he only likes rich people, and other nasty things. It seems a lot of the people calling for prison reform only like the idea of prison reform, but really just have the same hard-on for punishing people that most Americans seem to. There are reasons why we incarcerate more people than any other country in the world, by total and per capita.
Leftists in California eating their own.

The judge was a Gray Davis nominee. He was as progressive as they come, but #MeToo has turned liberals into rabid morons.
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