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Old 07-05-2017, 04:08 PM
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CNN has actively threatened to doxx a private citizen if he posts stuff they dont like.

http://archive.is/Aa8h6#selection-365.0-368.0

They've officially reached Gawker levels of scumbag.
CNN wants you to agree with them or else.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:48 PM
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CNN wants you to agree with them or else.
They are exactly what Trump calls them.

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Old 07-05-2017, 05:03 PM
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They are exactly what Trump calls them.

The Enemy of The People
I just think they are shameless self-promoters. It isn't like being a journalist makes you particular informed or qualified to tell people how to think but that is exactly what they try to do. Too many people follow them uncritically. These big media companies fancy themselves too highly as guides for the rest of society instead of reporting the facts.

I don't even see why Trump invites CNN or MSNBC to the White House. Just invite lesser known journalists who could use the ratings boost a lot more. I liked the idea of youtube stars going to press conferences because I want to see more independent media like that taking off.
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:17 PM
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It isn't like being a journalist makes you particularly informed
Well, it might. I mean, if you're doing your job.

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These big media companies fancy themselves too highly as guides for the rest of society instead of reporting the facts.
You're obviously counting Fox News.
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:29 PM
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When I was in uniform I just referred the press to public affairs. Maybe they can observe things but I don't think they understand it.

Fox News pushes an agenda. A lot of individuals and people do. I like the idea of having a diverse array of opinions scrutinizing each other. People can analyze it from there. There are somethings that only Fox News will report and the other stations will ignore and vice versa. I think the internet has been a huge boon in this regard to ensuring that there aren't only a few gatekeepers of information.
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When I was in uniform I just referred the press to public affairs. Maybe they can observe things but I don't think they understand it.
Not you, the journalists. Their job is to keep themselves informed.

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I like the idea of having a diverse array of opinions scrutinizing each other. People can analyze it from there. There are somethings that only Fox News will report and the other stations will ignore and vice versa. I think the internet has been a huge boon in this regard to ensuring that there aren't only a few gatekeepers of information.
You do know what an echo chamber is, right?
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:51 PM
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Not you, the journalists. Their job is to keep themselves informed.
You don't think my job is to stay informed? I think it is the job of intelligence agencies to stay informed. The press only wants to know for ratings and has no regard to operational security.

There is no measure in place that ensures that journalists are informed. Their job is to just report things and get money from advertisers. Sometimes they collude with politicians to give them good press and their adversaries bad press. Nothing says they have to be informed. Propaganda has always been used for nefarious ends and this is no different here.

It is ideally the job of every citizen to be informed. You are putting a lot of faith in mass media organizations to be impartial and truthful in their presentation or for them to correctly interpret what they are observing. Sometimes they don't even observe what they are reporting. They use anonymous sources with plausible deniability and rampant speculation.
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But this doesn't really change the fact that it isn't up to a handful of media organizations to impart universal truth into our lives. You need to hold them to the same fallible standards you are holding everyone else to. This is a good time to question authority instead of blindly accepting what they have to say. The ability to analyze information critically is important.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:40 PM
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:50 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if we'd be friends if I had more energy for these stupid arguments.
We can always still be friends even if we disagree about this kind of stuff!
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:49 PM
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So you don't think CNN reports on things no one else will? You seem to think Fox News is invaluable for its willingness to report things no one else will, even if those things are false. So is CNN just as noble in your eyes?
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:57 PM
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So you don't think CNN reports on things no one else will? You seem to think Fox News is invaluable for its willingness to report things no one else will, even if those things are false. So is CNN just as noble in your eyes?
I said vice versa. It is the diversity of organizations that is valuable. That is why I praised all the smaller members of the media too. CNN isn't some divine authority. I am pretty unhappy with them right now. Fox isn't something I really watch either unless it is some YouTube video. I just noticed they report different things. It is the diversity that is valuable.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:00 PM
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It's speech of freedom even though most of the media do make up stuff!

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I said vice versa. It is the diversity of organizations that is valuable. That is why I praised all the smaller members of the media too. CNN isn't some divine authority. I am pretty unhappy with them right now. Fox isn't something I really watch either unless it is some YouTube video. I just noticed they report different things. It is the diversity that is valuable.
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I said vice versa. It is the diversity of organizations that is valuable. That is why I praised all the smaller members of the media too. CNN isn't some divine authority. I am pretty unhappy with them right now. Fox isn't something I really watch either unless it is some YouTube video. I just noticed they report different things. It is the diversity that is valuable.
I don't have any special love for CNN either. I'm not sure why I'm arguing this point. I just want truth to be a thing that exists.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:51 PM
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I don't have any special love for CNN either. I'm not sure why I'm arguing this point. I just want truth to be a thing that exists.
Truth exists. That doesn't mean I am against the truth just because I don't agree with you.
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:14 AM
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Truth exists. That doesn't mean I am against the truth just because I don't agree with you.
I know, and likewise. I'm just distressed by how difficult it is to find reliable information about current events in a world where no news source can be trusted.
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:47 AM
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I know, and likewise. I'm just distressed by how difficult it is to find reliable information about current events in a world where no news source can be trusted.
Generally speaking, if a news outlet is attacked by government officials, it's reliable enough to listen to. There's a reason why we have freedom of the press.
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Old 07-07-2017, 08:49 AM
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Generally speaking, if a news outlet is attacked by government officials, it's reliable enough to listen to. There's a reason why we have freedom of the press.
So you've been listening to Fox News the last 8 years?
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:25 AM
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So you've been listening to Fox News the last 8 years?
False equivalency. I don't recall Obama calling Fox an "enemy of the people." Pretending this administration's war on freedom of the press is at all similar is very dishonest of you.
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:38 AM
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False equivalency. I don't recall Obama calling Fox an "enemy of the people." Pretending this administration's war on freedom of the press is at all similar is very dishonest of you.
You don't have to try and hide your bias, we all know you already, you can be yourself.
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:55 AM
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You don't have to try and hide your bias, we all know you already, you can be yourself.
He's right though.

Trump calling the media the enemy is not only a lie but detrimental to democracy as a whole.
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:59 AM
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:02 AM
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:40 AM
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:22 AM
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which is why calling out fake news like CNN is so important
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:15 PM
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which is why calling out fake news like CNN is so important
There aren't enough voices to decry every single outlet of false information.
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