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Old 04-10-2011, 08:09 PM
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Night Elf Icon (War3) I would like to talk today about Illidan Stormrage.

"Betrayer... In truth, it was I who was betrayed. Still, I am hunted. Still, I am hated. Now, my blind eyes can see what others cannot. That sometimes the hand of fate must be forced! Now go forth... unleash the tides of Doom... Upon all those... Who would oppose us."
-Illidan Stormrage

Hello, first time poster long time lurker. Forgive me for missing details, please feel free to bring them up, it's a discussion forum after all .

Today I would like to do some Lorecrafting regarding Illidan in the Burning Crusade. I read a lot of things about this, usually ending in everyone agreeing that it was stupid that he was killed in Burning Crusade. I would like to try to justify his death with a different approach than the usual "He was mad, so we had to kill him."

Now, following his defeat in TFT, he retreated to Outland and proceeded to bolster his forces and really solidify the Illidari as a faction. He was concerned with the Burning Legion returning to kill him for his failure, which they did, so began the events of the Burning Crusade. The Legion opened the Dark Portal and sent demons through into Azeroth, but we fought them back. Afterwards, what else would we Azerothians do but enter and explore the realm of Outland?

So in we trounce to find another powerful faction fighting and beating the Burning Legion back. The Illidari, composed of Fel Orcs, Naga, rogue Blood Elves, Akama's Broken, and a large variety of Demons. We felt threatened! Here was a brand new power fighting off one of our most feared enemies!

No one has ever thought to highly of Illidan, we all see him as a villain and a power mad fiend. Though we (Us who played WC3) know he has fought for the well being of Azeroth before, but how many characters and NPCs would really have found that out? Even if they did, he was sided with the Burning Legion then. People just don't trust Illidan, so we certainly weren't going to trust him with a huge army.

The above quote is from TFT, and to me it illustrates the kind of personality that Illidan has. He doesn't see himself in the wrong. He'd likely defend his mission to save Azeroth from The Lich King despite the fact he was doing it for power from the Legion.

I don't think he went crazy after his defeat by Arthas. In Shadowmoon Valley, he yells this at players:

Lord Illidan Stormrage yells: So you have defeated the Crimson Sigil. You now seek to challenge my rule? Not even Arthas could defeat me, yet you dare to even harbor such thoughts? Then I say to you, come! Come <name>! The Black Temple awaits...

He didn't die at Arthas' hands, so he likely believes himself when he says Arthas couldn't defeat him. I don't think he's any crazier now (during BC) than he was after he was released from his prison. We kill Illidan because we saw him as a threat, not because he provoked us (Arthas) or blew up the world (Deathwing). Would he have turned on Azeroth with the Illidari after the legion was driven out of Outland? Maybe, maybe not. He did attack Shattrath unprovoked after all, but that was likely a side effect of his self given title "Lord of Outland".

We took the offensive to Illidan completely of our own volition. We came through the portal and found our old forces fighting off both Legion and Illidari, we knew of what Illidan had done in the past, and we saw him with a formidable force and found opportunities to take him down; so we acted on them.

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Old 04-10-2011, 09:45 PM
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Word of God (and Malfurion) say that the fact that he failed to kill the Lich King made him so paranoid of Kil'jaeden that he went insane.
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Old 04-10-2011, 09:47 PM
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That, and I think BtDP (the novel) established that those in possession of the Skull of Gul'dan hear his whispers. Munchin' on that noggin probably wasn't good for Illidan's mental wellbeing.
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Old 04-11-2011, 12:38 AM
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I have always felt the same, although I disagree that Illidan wasn't insane. Arthas left Illidan for dead, there's no reason for Illidan to think that Arthas didn't win or couldn't have win. It's not like Illidan escaped before Arthas could land the final blow, Arthas had won and left him there to die. It's completely crazy for Illidan to think that Arthas couldn't have beaten him when he clearly did.
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Old 04-11-2011, 12:45 AM
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I have always felt the same, although I disagree that Illidan wasn't insane. Arthas left Illidan for dead, there's no reason for Illidan to think that Arthas didn't win or couldn't have win. It's not like Illidan escaped before Arthas could land the final blow, Arthas had won and left him there to die. It's completely crazy for Illidan to think that Arthas couldn't have beaten him when he clearly did.
I guess what I meant (and didn't articulate super well) is that he's no more insane now than he was at the end of TFT. He didn't suddenly go bonkers and try to take over the world or anything, he's just his usual mad self. And the point I was intending to make is that we weren't going "Oh he's crazy lets kill him", which is something I've seen people say about him on the official forums.
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Old 04-11-2011, 01:02 AM
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Recently I've been wondering if Illidan may be autistic.

1) Incredibly skilled in a narrow field of study (arcane)
2) Disregards others' personal values (tries to mack on his brother's girlfriend, refuses to abide by social mores)
3) Holds an irrational view of history centered around himself (he beat Arthas)
4) Prone to fits of self-importance
5) Doesn't understand why people don't like him



Illidan is the Christian Weston Chandler of Warcraft.
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:55 AM
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I think he wen't insane because he failed Kil'jaeden for a second time, and he would come and torture him for all eternity. Just that.

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Old 04-11-2011, 04:17 AM
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He's an elf. Isn't pretty much everything in Warcraft about elves going insane?
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:36 AM
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He's an elf. Isn't pretty much everything in Warcraft about everyone going insane?
  1. Arthas
  2. Medivh
  3. Deathwing
  4. Malygos
  5. Sargeras
Plenty of crazy elves to add into the mix there, but basically Warcraft has this crutch where they try to make bad guys somewhat sympathetic by painting them as fallen heroes.

I'd prefer more bad guys that are just born and raised as selfish dicks who made a sane and conscious decision to be assholes.
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Old 04-17-2011, 04:47 PM
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Well the interesting thing about Malygos, is that he becomes the villain AFTER he regains sanity. He simply views our use of magic as a problem and wants to take it back... by force. He declared war on us and the other dragonflights because of differing views, not because he was crazy (at least not anymore).
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Old 04-17-2011, 04:51 PM
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Plenty of crazy elves to add into the mix there, but basically Warcraft has this crutch where they try to make bad guys somewhat sympathetic by painting them as fallen heroes.
That's because Warcraft lore is predominantly written my Metzen, who outright stated that his favorite kinds of stories are those of redemption (Orcs) and the fall/corruption of good (Arthas, etc). We see so many fallen heroes because Metzen can't get enough of the archetype.
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