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Old 05-16-2016, 08:41 PM
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Since I know there are a few of you out there...

I've been spending the past month teaching myself website design. So far, I've done the tutorials and questions on W3School.com for HTML and CSS. I'm currently working on JavaScript, which is somewhat more challenging.

Previously, I've taken some classes, but they tended to veer from going too slow to too fast. Teaching myself lets me control the pace, which seems to be important.

Once I get through all the tutorials on W3School.com I'll try to make a simple mockup of a commercial website. I'll see what I can do after that.

Any advice on learning this? Funny stories to tell? Deeds worth bragging about?

Oh, and do you need Dreamweaver to make a site? I really don't want to spend money on something that's just a hobby at this point.
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Old 05-16-2016, 08:54 PM
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Well can't you make at least an off line website with note pad and a browser if you really wanted to?

Google has their own web design tool IICR. I think it is free.
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Well can't you make at least an off line website with note pad and a browser if you really wanted to?

Google has their own web design tool IICR. I think it is free.
Good to know.

I know almost nothing about the subject aside from the HTML/CSS I've taught myself so far.

W3Schools.com is pretty good, though the JavaScript sections sometimes bring up materials that haven't yet been covered.
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Double-post here, but I had a question.

I'm learning about comparisons and logical operators in JavaScript. They presented me with this:

<script>
function myFunction() {
var age, voteable;
age = document.getElementById("age").value;
voteable = (age < 18) ? "Too young":"Old enough";
document.getElementById("demo").innerHTML = voteable + " to vote.";
}
</script>

Looking at this and testing it, I'm not sure how the script knows to put "Too young" or "Old enough". Is it based on the location of the strings? The question mark? The colon?
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Double-post here, but I had a question.

I'm learning about comparisons and logical operators in JavaScript. They presented me with this:

<script>
function myFunction() {
var age, voteable;
age = document.getElementById("age").value;
voteable = (age < 18) ? "Too young":"Old enough";
document.getElementById("demo").innerHTML = voteable + " to vote.";
}
</script>

Looking at this and testing it, I'm not sure how the script knows to put "Too young" or "Old enough". Is it based on the location of the strings? The question mark? The colon?
If the part before ? is true (age < 18), then, the first option is chosen as the result of voteable; the person is too young. If it is false, then, the second option is chosen.

Basically:
Boolean ? true-option: false-option;
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If the part before ? is true (age < 18), then, the first option is chosen as the result of voteable; the person is too young. If it is false, then, the second option is chosen.

Basically:
Boolean ? true-option: false-option;
Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thank you!
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I sometimes stumble over whether to use brackets, square brackets, equal signs, colons, and all that. Is there an easy way to recall when particular recurring symbols are used?
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I sometimes stumble over whether to use brackets, square brackets, equal signs, colons, and all that. Is there an easy way to recall when particular recurring symbols are used?
Parentheses enclose statements.

Square rackets enclose array indices (and lengths when you're initializing).

Curly brackets enclose functions.

Equal signs define variables.

Double equal signs are comparison operators.

In Javascript, triple equal signs are strict comparison operators.

Semicolons denote the end of a line.

I don't know about colons. I try not to deal with them.
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Parentheses enclose statements.

Square rackets enclose array indices (and lengths when you're initializing).

Curly brackets enclose functions.

Equal signs define variables.

Double equal signs are comparison operators.

In Javascript, triple equal signs are strict comparison operators.

Semicolons denote the end of a line.

I don't know about colons. I try not to deal with them.
Thanks.
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More spaces looks cleaner!
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I'm going to have to go with Stark on this one, though for no other reason than that his way is how I learned to do it.

Right now, I'm trying to create a horizontal navigation bar with multiple drop down menus in CSS. The problem is that I have three different categories that are supposed to have drop down menus, but the menu will only drop down for one of them.

I've created CSS code unique to each category (which I suspect is overdoing it), yet the problem remains. Not yet sure what I'm doing wrong.

The only thing that worries me is that I basically created the navigation bar by looking at another example and copying it. I suppose this isn't uncommon; I just couldn't remember how to do it offhand. I was at least able to understand what I was copying.

Coding feels a bit like being a monk copying Scripture.
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Coding feels a bit like being a monk copying Scripture.
There's a reason programmers make zen koans about computer science.
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I managed to get the navigation bar working. Now I'm trying to have an image in the upper left, with the navigation bar extending to the right. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble figuring out how to keep the two images from overlapping.

I considered using z-index to put the navbar over the image, but this doesn't look very good. Here's what I have so far:

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img {
position: absolute;
left: 0;
top: 0;
float: left;
}

ul {
list-style-type: none;
margin: 95px;
padding: 0;
overflow: hidden;
background-color: #cc9966;
height: 70px;
}
Thanks for bearing with me. Hopefully it's not unusual for first-timers to struggle with this.

EDIT: I figured out how to work around it; the altered part is in red text. Nonetheless, please tell me if there is another way to keep the img and the ul from overlapping.

Here's what I did:

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img {
position: absolute;
left: 0;
top: 0;
float: left;
}

ul {
list-style-type: none;
margin: 95px 0px 0px 120px;
padding: 0;
overflow: hidden;
background-color: #cc9966;
height: 70px;
width: 700px;
}
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Hope I'm not posting too much here. Is Stack Overflow a friendly place to newbies?

Anyway, I've got the navbar, title, and logo up there, but I'm still trying to fine-tune them. One thing I'm not sure how to do is have the navbar extend to the end of the page without also furthering the distance between the list items. I'd like the list items to all appear on screen, while the color of the bar itself still goes to the end. How might I do this?

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body {
background-image: url("http://static4.grsites.com/archive/textures/paper/paper017.jpg");
}

p.title {
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 50px;
text-align: center;
margin: 20px 0px -80px 0px;
}

img {
position: absolute;
left: 0;
top: 0;
float: left;
}

ul {
list-style-type: none;
margin: 95px 0px 0px 120px;
padding: 0;
overflow: hidden;
background-color: #cc9966;
height: 70px;
width: 700px;
z-index: -1;
}

li {
float: left;
width: 20%;
}

li a, .dropbtn {
display: inline-block;
color: white;
text-align: center;
padding: 14px 16px;
text-decoration: none;
font-size: 30px;
padding: 15px;
}

li a:hover, .dropdown:hover .dropbtn {
background-color: red;
}

li.dropdown {
display: inline-block;
}

.dropdown-content {
display: none;
position: absolute;
background-color: #f9f9f9;
min-width: 160px;
box-shadow: 0px 8px 16px 0px rgba(0,0,0,0.2);
}

.dropdown-content a {
color: black;
padding: 12px 16px;
text-decoration: none;
display: block;
text-align: left;
}

.dropdown-content a:hover {background-color: #f1f1f1}

.dropdown:hover .dropdown-content {
display: block;
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Old 05-25-2016, 07:46 PM
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Stack Overflow is generally pretty good to me as long as I (a) spend five minutes searching to make sure nobody's asked my question already and (b) write things up in coherent English. I don't think you should have any trouble with either.

I'd help you myself, but I don't really do CSS. Sorry.
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I apparently need to earn reputation points in Stack Overflow before I can post a question. I'll do my best to earn them, but I'm not sure how to build a reputation with such limited coding experience.

In the meantime, I have a question that I thought I'd pass by you guys.

I have a logo in the upper right. Unfortunately, it always seems to push the navbar down the page. Here's the code I have at the moment:

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<style>

body {
background-image: url("http://static4.grsites.com/archive/textures/paper/paper017.jpg");
}

h1.title {
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 50px;
margin: 20px 0px -80px 140px;
}

logo {
position: absolute;
left: 0;
top: 0;
float: left;
}

#side {
line-height: 30px;
background-color: #cc9966;
height: 2000px;
width: 115px;
float: left;
padding: 5px;
}

ul {
list-style-type: none;
margin: 95px 0px 0px 120px;
padding: 0;
overflow: hidden;
background-color: #cc9966;
height: 70px;
width: 100%;
z-index: -1;
}

li {
float: left;
width: 20%;
}

li a, .dropbtn {
display: inline-block;
color: white;
text-align: center;
padding: 14px 16px;
text-decoration: none;
font-size: 30px;
padding: 15px;
}

li a:hover, .dropdown:hover .dropbtn {
background-color: red;
}

li.dropdown {
display: inline-block;
}

.dropdown-content {
display: none;
position: absolute;
background-color: #f9f9f9;
min-width: 160px;
box-shadow: 0px 8px 16px 0px rgba(0,0,0,0.2);
}

.dropdown-content a {
color: black;
padding: 12px 16px;
text-decoration: none;
display: block;
text-align: left;
}

.dropdown-content a:hover {background-color: #f1f1f1}

.dropdown:hover .dropdown-content {
display: block;
}

h2.content {
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 30px;
text-align: center;
}

#footer {
background-color: #cc9966;
text-align: center;
padding: 5px;
font-size:15px;
width: 100%;
}
</style>
The weird thing is, I earlier had "img" instead of "logo". When this was the case, the image and the navbar did not push each other out of position.

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<style>

body {
background-image: url("http://static4.grsites.com/archive/textures/paper/paper017.jpg");
}

h1.title {
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 50px;
margin: 20px 0px -80px 140px;
}

img {
position: absolute;
left: 0;
top: 0;
float: left;
}

#side {
line-height: 30px;
background-color: #cc9966;
height: 2000px;
width: 115px;
float: left;
padding: 5px;
}

ul {
list-style-type: none;
margin: 95px 0px 0px 120px;
padding: 0;
overflow: hidden;
background-color: #cc9966;
height: 70px;
width: 100%;
z-index: -1;
}

li {
float: left;
width: 20%;
}

li a, .dropbtn {
display: inline-block;
color: white;
text-align: center;
padding: 14px 16px;
text-decoration: none;
font-size: 30px;
padding: 15px;
}

li a:hover, .dropdown:hover .dropbtn {
background-color: red;
}

li.dropdown {
display: inline-block;
}

.dropdown-content {
display: none;
position: absolute;
background-color: #f9f9f9;
min-width: 160px;
box-shadow: 0px 8px 16px 0px rgba(0,0,0,0.2);
}

.dropdown-content a {
color: black;
padding: 12px 16px;
text-decoration: none;
display: block;
text-align: left;
}

.dropdown-content a:hover {background-color: #f1f1f1}

.dropdown:hover .dropdown-content {
display: block;
}

h2.content {
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 30px;
text-align: center;
}

#footer {
background-color: #cc9966;
text-align: center;
padding: 5px;
font-size:15px;
width: 100%;
}
</style>
I made sure that the div name matched the CSS when I made the change, so it's not a discrepancy that's causing the problem. I don't know why simply changing the name of the element would result in such a mess.
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aside from the basic stuff with c# I have problems with the more complex of it when used with ASP.net.

Ok some of it I understand, but it is basically when it comes to weirder stuff. like Taxonomy fields and lists (for sites)
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Aww yeah!

I haven't yet figured out the issue from earlier, but I did figure out how to solve a different problem. Feeling pretty good.
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So far I don't think I'm making a good impression on Stack Overflow

This is why I wish I knew someone who was familiar with this sort of thing, so I could just point to the screen and ask what's wrong. Somehow, relating it to others across digital media seems to compound the likelihood of misunderstanding.

Though in this case, I'm pretty sure it was just because I only posted the CSS, and not the HTML. Still, I worry that I'm not clear, because I'm not very familiar with the subject.
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I have a functioning main page (though it does load a bit slowly; not sure why). My next step is to build a few other pages that use the same CSS template. I won't build all the pages that the menu indicates (a lot of them would be similar to each other, so I'd just be repeating myself without learning anything new), but enough to get some more practice.

For the curious, it's intended to look like an in-universe website that sells Dunmer goods to the less barbaric outlanders. There's a drop-down menu with sections for cuisine, products (books and tools), and materials.

It obviously won't be an actual store, but I'm going to see if I can at least create some kind of crude shopping cart function to record how many mazte flasks the outlander buys (quite a few, I imagine, to dull the pain of not being Dunmer). That might be beyond my ability at this point, but I'll give it a shot.

I may also see if I can set up some kind of blog.

The only thing that worries me is that, though the main page looks the way I want, there's still an element whose function I don't understand.
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Can anyone recommend sites other than Stack Overflow? They put my question on hold because I didn't phrase it well. Plus, none of the answers they gave seemed to help me.

It's really frustrating, since I honestly can't figure out why there's a problem here.
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Thanks all the same.

The good news is that I think I figured out a workaround that will enable me to keep working on the online store. There are still some issues with the product image--it gets mixed up with the footer, for some reason. But at least it doesn't interfere with the logo.

That said, I should still figure out why I'm having the issue with the logo, if for no other sake than to know.

In the interest of honesty I'll admit that I cribbed a lot of the online store code from an existing site. My goal's to keep fiddling with it until I get it to look the way I want, and I understand the functions of the different elements. That'll wait until the weekend though, since I need a break (and I have a few other things I have to do today).
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